Who To Blame On...
CommunistWithAGun
Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">HL2's possible delay...</div> Its not VALVe It's Vivendi universal. Not only do they have shady business practices, my theory is they refuse to make a statement to milk out all the free advertisment they can with threads(such as these). If you want an object to hate because you aren't killing things yet, its Vivendi.
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It'll be out when it's out, as long as it's sometime this year and it rocks who cares otherwise...
I wouldn't be so sure.
/c0cks 9mm Glock
/Goes to visit Gabe
I hope it comes on time though....
Its scheduled release date is smack in the middle of my semester break <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Damn you Staliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin!
Damn you Staliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree. CWAG, you are banned due to your affiliations with Krushchev.
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<b>Stalin forever !</b>
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Stalin was the Russian version of Hitler, Lenin was a good man.
"Now you had better make sure that HL2 comes out on time!"
"Its not our fault, I have nothing to do wit... *SLAP*"
/rubs back of hand!
"Now you sit there and think about all the people you have made up set by keeping HL2 from us!"
/walks away and turns off light!
<a href='http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm' target='_blank'>http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm</a>
Lenin could be estimated as directly causing the deaths of some 9 million people. Not a good man.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Russian Civil War (1917-22)
Eckhardt: 500,000 civ. + 300,000 mil. = 800,000
Readers Companion to Military History, Cowley and Parker, eds. (1996) :
Combat deaths: 825,000
Ancillary deaths: 2,000,000
TOTAL: 2,825,000
Davies, Norman (Europe A History, 1998)
Civil War and Volga Famine (1918-22): 3,000,000 to 5,000,000
Brzezinski, Z:
6 to 8 million people died under Lenin from war, famine etc.
Urlanis:
Military deaths: 800,000
Battle deaths, all sides: 300,000
Dead of wounds: 50,000
Disease: 450,000
Civilians: 8,000,000
TOTAL: 8,800,000
Dyadkin, I.G. (cited in Adler, N., Victims of Soviet Terror, 1993)
9 million unnatural deaths from terror, famine and disease, 1918-23
Richard Pipes, A concise history of the Russian Revolution (1995): 9 million deaths, 1917-1922
Famine: 5M
Combat: 2M
Reds: 1M
Whites: 127,000
Epidemics: 2M
not incl.
Emigration: 2M
Birth deficit: 14M
Rummel:
Civil War (1917-22)
War: 1,410,000 (includes 500,000 civilian)
Famine: 5,000,000 (50% democidal)
Other democide: 784,000
Epidemics: 2,300,000
Total: 9,494,000
Lenin's Regime (1917-24)
Rummel blames Lenin for a lifetime total of 4,017,000 democides.
Figes, Orlando (A People's Tragedy: A History of the Russian Revolution, 1997)
10 million deaths from war, terror, famine and disease.
Including...
Famine (1921-22): 5 million
Killed in fighting, both military and civilian: 1M
Jews killed in pogroms: 150,000
Not including...
Demographic effects of a hugely reduced birth-rate: 10M
Emmigration: 2M
McEvedy, Colin (Atlas of World Population History, 1978)
War deaths: 2M
Other excess deaths: 14M
Reduced births: 10M
Emmigration: 2M
MEDIAN: Of these ten estimates that claim to be complete, the median is 8.8M-9.0M.
PARTIALS:
Small & Singer (battle deaths, 1917-21)
Russian Civil War (Dec.1917-Oct.1920)
Russians: 500,000
Allied Intervention:
Japan: 1,500
UK: 350
USA: 275
France: 50
Finland: 50
Russian Nationalities War (Dec.1917-Mar.1921)
USSR: 50,000
Bruce Lincoln, Red Terror: a History of the Russian Civil War 1918-1921
Death sentences by the Cheka: ca. 100,000
Pogroms: as many as one in 13 Jews k. out of 1.5M in Ukraine [i.e. ca. 115,000] (citing Heifetz)
Nevins, citing Heifetz and the Red Cross: 120,000 Jews killed in 1919 pogroms [http://www.west.net/~jazz/felshtin/redcross.html]
Paul Johnson
50,000 death sentences imposed by the Cheka by 12/20
100,000 Jews killed in 1919
Green, Barbara (in Rosenbaum, Is the Holocaust Unique?)
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As to your point on Vivendi, I agree. They are super sleazy for sure...
Whilst Stalin was unquestionably worse than Lenin, the leader of the Bolshevik revolution wasn't exactly Mr Nice. Lenin certainly wasn't adverse to large scale usage of violence or mass executions. It was he who started up the Cheka, a secret police that would become the KGB. Lenin also started off the oppression and slaughter of the Kulaks, not to mention the massive attacks on other "classes". Compared to some of the other revolutionaries in Russia in 1917 Lenin was a frothing maniac. So as far as "good men" go, Lenin doesn't make the cut in my opinion.
See? Even leftists disagree with one another <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
/me watches CWAG impotently attempt to thread-lock without any results.