We Need More Conservatives...
Rhuadin
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<div class="IPBDescription">in the discussion forums</div> Personally, I find that a lot of ideas are hashed out when two opposing groups are trying to express their views. However, we seem to be having a lack of conservatives on the discussion board, and thus we just get a bunch of one sided threads. For an example of a one sided thread, check this one out: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=28&t=46358' target='_blank'>Homosexuality Part II</a>. It just kind of ends with, 'Well, I can't argue religion so without religion I guess it's okay.'
So please, don't flame the conservatives. Listen to what they have to say and respond in a respectful manner (refuting where you wish, of course) because we don't want them to get tired of it and leave, like Jammer did (a shame). And I want someone to respond to the 87 Billion dollar thread! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Rhuadin
So please, don't flame the conservatives. Listen to what they have to say and respond in a respectful manner (refuting where you wish, of course) because we don't want them to get tired of it and leave, like Jammer did (a shame). And I want someone to respond to the 87 Billion dollar thread! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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I don't suppose you could ask me a few questions and then pigeon hole me into one could you? It would be appreciated, i mean, i might be a conservative and not know it yet?
That way i can be automagically assigned to one side of an argument or the other and have my views dismissed by default before i've even posted them. Ta.
I find that I almost always tend to the right, but sometimes I find myself arm in arm with my leftist friends.
And that thread you were refering to was deliberately set up like that, so as to try and find a right wing opposition to homosexuality that wasnt based on religion. And it succeeding in working out that really there was none.
All extremist rights (absentic comes to mind) are complete jerks without the slightest respect for anyone, and thus get banned all the time. Sad but true, the lefties seem to be politer <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I havent been posting my rightwing philosophy (argh spelling) because i have been obsessed with jedi outcast. And anyway, all the good topics have been hashed out already. Any decent religious thread always comes back to the authority of the Bible, and all good political ones just get shut down by flames....
The balance on these boards is pretty even I'd have thought, unless you bring up America in which case people start waving the flag and threatening to drop munitions on your major population centres.
If by right wing, you mean frothing facists, then certainly the boards don't have a lot of those. But given that these boards are US dominated and US politics lean slightly to the right of Goebbels and the Catholic church, I don't think we need to go much further.
See, I knew Grendel was going to say that. Rhetoric comes in all packages.
I find that I almost always tend to the right, but sometimes I find myself arm in arm with my leftist friends.
And that thread you were refering to was deliberately set up like that, so as to try and find a right wing opposition to homosexuality that wasnt based on religion. And it succeeding in working out that really there was none.
All extremist rights (absentic comes to mind) are complete jerks without the slightest respect for anyone, and thus get banned all the time. Sad but true, the lefties seem to be politer <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I havent been posting my rightwing philosophy (argh spelling) because i have been obsessed with jedi outcast. And anyway, all the good topics have been hashed out already. Any decent religious thread always comes back to the authority of the Bible, and all good political ones just get shut down by flames.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've met some people on the left that almost made me want to become so conservative that I would be shouting it's praise from the highest building I could find. I think it's more of a thing that fierce proponents of one side are impolite, fierce right and fierce left alike. Both sides have more than their fair share of the wackos.
And if you're running out of ideas for threads, well you can always go with some hypothetical situations. Those always bring out interesting opinions.
I have my own view on things, wich sometimes are conservative (in the "keep things the good old way"-sense of the word) sometimes aren't.
This may be the reason why i can't cope with any particular political party... most of them may have a good point here and there, but the rest of their programms are crap in my eyes.
yeah, I'm trolling on purpose, because trolling is fun! I'm not serious, btw, about any of this :>
The balance on these boards is pretty even I'd have thought, unless you bring up America in which case people start waving the flag and threatening to drop munitions on your major population centres.
If by right wing, you mean frothing facists, then certainly the boards don't have a lot of those. But given that these boards are US dominated and US politics lean slightly to the right of Goebbels and the Catholic church, I don't think we need to go much further. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Grendel falls into the Generalists category. Those who make blatently generalized statements and blanket a discussion with subjective ranting. I don't know about Conservatives or Liberals, but we could definatly use less Generalists.
Because it's full of uneducated teens. I'm not joking. I know all sorts of facts to back up my arguments and every time I invaribly prove to any liberal's by giving them a history lesson. At the end of the telling them what I know, I then get this reply: Well why not do this? Or this? They just play on the tiny little nauces of my argument and then they can therefore dismiss it. I'm not interested and teaching crap that is just going to be ignored/misunderstood, and it sucks up too much time.
I can understand most Liberal's arguments from their point of view (except abortion) but in just about every case I can come to a different conclusion from them just be reading over the facts carefully.
And, after all the facts are laid down and decipheried, it all comes down to a difference of oppinion.
Anyhow, I'll always feel inclined to post my views, but long ago I came to the conclusion that you can't change other's oppinions on discussion boards. So arguing is pointless. All I do is post my views, and move on.
And yes, just for the record, lefties overwhelm this board. But that's just because so many countries have extreame leftism embued in their generation's, almost to the point of a total brainwash.
And, if they are not from a country that's extreamlly from the left, then high chances are they are from an country that carries some sort of vendetta against America. Why? Who knows. I love how most of the times the situation is only looked at skin deep.
Anyhow, I'm just glad there is a resurfacing trend of conservatism over here in these states.
anyway let's not drag up <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=28&t=44616&hl=abortion' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...616&hl=abortion</a> that topic up again.
Anyway my theory on conservatism is this, during the 1970's there was a very strong conservative movment in America and it drastically affected what happened in the 1980's with the punk movement and a huge surge of liberal views, the 1990's were just kind of the ebbing of the 80's and I guess it's just finally died off in the 2000's
I also got new ammo. "NeoConservativism: An Autobiography of an Idea" by Irving Kristol, and "The Conservative Mind" by Russel Kirk. Read read read!
If you're new to conservative ideas in general, I highly recommend <a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465017339/qid=1063934709/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-5208791-4806552?v=glance&s=books&n=507846' target='_blank'>Letters to a Young Conservative</a> by my own personal Jesus Christ, Dinesh D'Souza. Its an excellent primer on the issues likely to be found here. Its an easy read, and the author mixes facts, ideas, and his own personal experiences with conservativism (most of which are pretty funny).
I'd have to agree that, in the American sense, this board is dominated by the Left.
European Conservative = American Democrat. American Conservative = Classical Liberal. European Democrat = Crazy Socialist Loonies :-)
I'll be back in due time. And this post doesn't count. Shhhhh. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
however, the definition of a conservative is inherently flawed. What's the opposite of a conservative? liberal? yes. radical? yes. Are radical and liberal the same thing? no.
What we need here is RIGHT-WING SETTLED SEDIMENT!!! (or, as you may easilier, understand, economic freedom and personal freedom, or, the freedom to do as you wish without any meddling with ashcroft-fascists or democrat-hippy weirdos.
And, after all the facts are laid down and decipheried, it all comes down to a difference of oppinion. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Amen. It's not as if the lefties are deprived of mental capacities to view facts and conclude on them. It is in the end all up to opinion.
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Well, I understand what you do, still, I try to follow up my posts a bit, but if it deterioates into useless bickering I'd rather leave than carry on.
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As opposed to the american brainwashing of little children into extreme individualism of "YOU can do anything, be anything."? Extremely not good, no matter which side of the fence you fell to.
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I think your uninformed views of the world's political standings is a cause of an error. I am not sure there are many countries with an extremely leftist government or population. Definitely not many of them any more. Talk about skin deep. No most people and governments in the world are weaving back and forth across the centerline, trying to find the balance between radical thinking and conservatism.
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Oh golly, yes. The world rejoices in jubilations over the power of neoconservatives in USA. Problem is that the kind of conservatism surfacing is the conservatism of ambitions. But it leads to bigotism and "Do as I tell you or I will have to slap you" politics. That wins many enemies. Remember, friends come and friends go, but enemies you make for life.
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What, Nemesis and myself dominate the boards?
Honestly I find much more conservativism on the boards than liberalism. I'm coming at this from the other direction though so we might both be correct here Jammer.
Post on religion, and you will get me, twex, boggle, legion, sirius and fo shizzle vs the world.
Post on homosexuality, same story. Its pretty much only politics that has larger right wing support, but even then there is plenty of anti-Bush ppl here.
I think we have a pretty even spread of both sides, left and right. Its just certain issues that seem to be team stacked.
Curses, I followed that link of Jammers and now I am desperate to read that book. I never realised that people took liberalism and conservatism so seriously as to write books pointing out the flaws in the arguements of the other side......
I think we should just all post how WE feel, and that should be just fine.
No one says, hang on brb I have to check up the official party line for the conservative reply to that one. We all post what we feel, its just some of us tend to feel similiarily on certain topics. Thus Liberal and Conservative.
And we do have a few extreme moderates.... Bosnian comes to mind.....
You just rule out the other sides arguement, and everyone HAS to agree with you. It pointless.
Please dont tell me it only just hit you that some people are so set in their minds that they cant tell that they are wrong <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->. I discovered that when dealing with my mother. I would argue her into a logical corner, she was staring defeat in the face. She had no basis to support her arguement, and mine was the only logical and rational one to accept. All her points had been dealt with, as she herself had admitted. But at this stage she would refuse to discuss further, and hold onto her ideas anyway.
Almost everyone is set in their minds, and there isnt a lot you can do to change it.
You just rule out the other sides arguement, and everyone HAS to agree with you. It pointless.
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Hardly, we mearly were trying to see if it was possible to form an argument against homosexuality without a religious base. Its not as if we siad "Ok, assumptions == No God, Homosexuals are good for the community, Homo-bashing kills baby kittens, discuss"
EDIT: In reply to marin01 below, since I don't want to take up more post space on the subject.
Yes it was pretty obvious to a good deal of people. But obviously somebody didn't think so since the thread exists.
But I wont so you're safe <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
But hangon, I'm just about to reply to a reply to my original response which dragged this thread off topic in the first place. *scratches head*
Well skulk it was pretty obvious to me that there was no rational opposition to homosexuality outside of religion, I thought that was obvious to everyone. Guess I was wrong.....
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*bangs head against table until blood gushes everywhere*
Last time someone made a comment like this I flew off the handle. This time I will try and be more civil.
a) I have absolutly no idea who Ashcroft is, so kindly do not refer to me as a fascist follower of him/her
b) Just because someone votes for the Democrats in the US does not mean that they dress up in unwashed ponchos and call one another Earth-Child. Understand this. Someone who votes for the Republicans does not nessassarily go home and dress up in a military uniform before heading out to the local KKK meeting. Understand this also. Extreamist groups of both the left and the right are not the norm.
c) Kindly do not refer to someone who votes for a more left-wing liberal political group a "weirdo". That is simply an insult that is not welcome here.
The Libertarian Party is committed to America's heritage of freedom:
* individual liberty and personal responsibility
* a free-market economy of abundance and prosperity
* a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade.
Basicly the libertarians take the (traditional NOT current) republican view of less regulation, lower taxes, less government.
And adopts the democratic views of person freedom, staying out of our bedrooms, you can't legislate morality, etc.
Unfortunately the 2 party system makes it difficult for any other train of thought to get very mainstream.