Bots!
Tiax
Join Date: 2003-05-28 Member: 16802Members
Join Date: 2003-05-28 Member: 16802Members
<div class="IPBDescription">*shivers*</div> Ill make a vow...when the NS server's become like the TFC servers are ill quit NS and never look back.
I recently decided to play TFC again since my favorite NS servers were empty. I join a server, ask the team whats up. No response. Server has 19 bots....grrr. I go find another server, before joining I check and its full of bots. Anotehr is full of bots and a third. I join another with seemly random names.....bots again.
I went through about 15 servers and they were all bots! Curse it all.
I think people should boycott bots. If a server supports them you should play elsewhere. Enough of these stupid admins filling their servers with bots to try and trick people to join.
And as a lesser rant, three different servers wanted me to download tons of stuff. Wav after wav after wav. Once it started downloading mdl's I just quit out and deleted the crap out of my HL.
I miss the days of K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid. Why do all these admins feel they need to add tons of stupid features now? I saw one server that did a pop up telling you everytime you got a kill...Good grief, I know when I get a kill. I don't need font 20 text telling me who I killed and what weapon I used!
So much for TFC.
I recently decided to play TFC again since my favorite NS servers were empty. I join a server, ask the team whats up. No response. Server has 19 bots....grrr. I go find another server, before joining I check and its full of bots. Anotehr is full of bots and a third. I join another with seemly random names.....bots again.
I went through about 15 servers and they were all bots! Curse it all.
I think people should boycott bots. If a server supports them you should play elsewhere. Enough of these stupid admins filling their servers with bots to try and trick people to join.
And as a lesser rant, three different servers wanted me to download tons of stuff. Wav after wav after wav. Once it started downloading mdl's I just quit out and deleted the crap out of my HL.
I miss the days of K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid. Why do all these admins feel they need to add tons of stupid features now? I saw one server that did a pop up telling you everytime you got a kill...Good grief, I know when I get a kill. I don't need font 20 text telling me who I killed and what weapon I used!
So much for TFC.
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2. Bots have been tried but NS is too complex to have all of the commands used by them so earlier projects gave up
3. TFC is **** anyway
4. NS servers wont probably have bots even if they do exist because of the team play aspects of the game, and as i sed b4 its too hard to code <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
2. Bots have been tried but NS is too complex to have all of the commands used by them so earlier projects gave up
3. TFC is **** anyway
4. NS servers wont probably have bots even if they do exist because of the team play aspects of the game, and as i sed b4 its too hard to code <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. He's saying if NS will become like TFC...
2. Well, there are some bots working now. Whichbot is a good one, or so I hear, but most bots can't command as they drop buildings into the ceiling, etc. However, I bet they will be improved.
3. Lies. LIES. TFC is a great game, just, you know, they need less Snipers. Such an evil class. I haven't played for over a year, and when I hopped into a TFC server I sniped out 15 people with 1 death. Scouts, most of them. Bah.
4. Probably true, but I bet you could use them for the Alien side--less teamwork required. Then again, bots would be really confuzzling. They'd have to be just like real people--all saving for Onos <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Oh, yeah, and I hate when people make you download a million sounds. I don't mind like 1 or 2, but if you get a whole page of this nonsense, I go insane. I mean, practically all of the CS servers have this SuperHero mod and WC3 mod... Just play the original game, it's not <i>that</i> bad.
Another thing, what's funny is the people that claim the modded game is so much better, then after a while they whine for 'the old school and regular game'. Heheh.
I know the point is to make it appear that you are popular or something, because noone wants to join a empty game. But please don't lie. I don't want to play at a server that tries to lure me in with placeholders, for crying out loud.
But yea, if I wanted to play with bots, I'll download the code myself. I might as well have no lag with the deal.
And don't knock TFC. I've played it before I heard of NS, and I will continue to play it when I get tired of NS. And if they can code a bot to conc jump, I'm sure they can get NS bots to at least follow orders effeciantly.
I know the point is to make it appear that you are popular or something, because noone wants to join a empty game. But please don't lie. I don't want to play at a server that tries to lure me in with placeholders, for crying out loud.
But yea, if I wanted to play with bots, I'll download the code myself. I might as well have no lag with the deal.
And don't knock TFC. I've played it before I heard of NS, and I will continue to play it when I get tired of NS. And if they can code a bot to conc jump, I'm sure they can get NS bots to at least follow orders effeciantly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
heh, i tried this on nuclear gamer, the server got alot more popular once the bots were off.
I really doubt will ever make a good bot for NS, simply because NS is a more of a strategy game (a.l.a Age of Empires) than a FPS such as TFC. And yes , there were computer players for Age o Empires, but they relied on pages and pages of rules and statistics -> something not applicable in the NS world.
Secondly, my favourite trick :-D is to check the players latency before joining a server,, should it be fairly low (such as 5-7) then either theyre on the server itself, or theyre a bot.
A lot of smaller, no-name servers really benefit from Specbot and Fakeful. These servers lack the wide pool of regulars that more mainstream servers have, and need to fool stupid people who don't check pings into playing there in order to get things started.
I really doubt will ever make a good bot for NS, simply because NS is a more of a strategy game (a.l.a Age of Empires) than a FPS such as TFC. And yes , there were computer players for Age o Empires, but they relied on pages and pages of rules and statistics -> something not applicable in the NS world.
Secondly, my favourite trick :-D is to check the players latency before joining a server,, should it be fairly low (such as 5-7) then either theyre on the server itself, or theyre a bot. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
However AOE has 'bots' that is to say AI.
The real point is that marine bots would be easy-ish to code (i presume), provided they have a comm (you!). All they have to do is follow orders and shoot. This makes good comming prac for new strats, but would grow tiresome.
However, aliens would be a nightmare to code - evolving, res management, attacking using appropriate attacks (umbra spore etc), walking on walls/roof, knowing map *breathes in*, knowing what to build... the list goes on.
And you cant be practising strats with your hapless marine bots if the aliens are doing nothing, or worse yet, building walls of ocs in an alcove in a dark corner of the map.
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Perhaps I should set up a boycott on bots website. Any server in any game that has bots, the people refuse to play. Start getting the word out that we don't like bots!
lol. It really is pointless to have bots around, like mentioned above, if I wanted to play the computer, I wouldn't join a server to do it.
If you have a server and you want to fill it you have to work for it. Start out playing 1v1 with a friend. Someone will join, then you'll play 1v2. Later someone else will join and you'll play 2v2. Keep this up until you're full. Do this every night. Be a fair and courteous admin and peole will start comimg back.
Solution: Spy disguised as a sniper <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Solution: Spy disguised as a sniper <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ahaha, so true. I love spy but its hard when team damage is off because everyone shoots all thier teammates. With team damage on the spy has a better chance of hiding.
Look that skulk on the picture is lagged dead, 10 of 13 marines (all bots in the game) shoot the wall for one minute, reload, shoot again, reload, shoot again, scream for ammo, go to the armory, shoot again.
As for NS bots, it is very possible, but who would want to make them?
Oh dude. I HATE it when servers do that!
What's the point?
Everytime it happens I find myself screaming at my monitor, <b>"Oh come on! I just want a quick game not eight stupid wavs!"</b>
I mention this because there are some servers that are just begging for a boycott, but which have enough decent people on that make it worthwhile nonetheless.
Also, about the bots that actually play: I don't know what the name was, but I've seen some bots that are at least decent (eg. not trivially distinguishable from the average pubber) except for a few basic things like they got stuck in a few spots (not often, but that's obviously a dead giveaway), never went back for healing especially as onos or fade, and didn't know to get regen or redem or onos (thus wasting tons and tons of our team's res which is really annoying). Some sense of strategy might be nice as well, but having a big onos to slow the other side down is at least *something* and is a better alternative than just playing a 2v2 game where you have no way to get to the other side of the map in time or counter their siege or whatnot with only one or two people.
That would most likely be <a href='http://whichbot.com' target='_blank'>WhichBot</a>. In v0.7, the aliens do go back for healing and should pick redemption etc. Right now they're better than total beginners but worse than an intermediate pub player.
Ahh yes, player names are always TheFatOne, WhichOne, Who, What, That, It, He, They, TheOther, or ThatOne (though configurable).