1.82gb For Half-life 1? WTH?
DOOManiac
Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
<div class="IPBDescription">Stupid Steam...</div>I thought Valve promised something about the cache being limited to 1gb?
Well look at the pic below...
1.82 Gb, for Half-Life 1 and 3 mods. That's just insane. My original HL folder, with all the mods I play is only 837MB...
Anybody else having a problem with Steam eating up your hdd space? Good thing I got the 160gb, because I bet HL2 mods will take 100GB or so...
So again, am I the only one with this problem? Or is everybody's folder this big?
<sarcasm> I sure hope the 1 TB drives are out before Half-Life 3...</sarcasm>
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>yeah I'm sure this thread will get locked as we gotta keep up the illusion of steam being perfect and everyone is happy</span>
[edit] Forgot to mention, that all this HDD space and it still won't run any games either. I can't join a game of anything without it crashing...[/edit]
[edit2]OMG it finally loaded a game without crashing on the 3rd try. Holy crap. I actually got to remember how bad CS was! Yay[/edit2]
Well look at the pic below...
1.82 Gb, for Half-Life 1 and 3 mods. That's just insane. My original HL folder, with all the mods I play is only 837MB...
Anybody else having a problem with Steam eating up your hdd space? Good thing I got the 160gb, because I bet HL2 mods will take 100GB or so...
So again, am I the only one with this problem? Or is everybody's folder this big?
<sarcasm> I sure hope the 1 TB drives are out before Half-Life 3...</sarcasm>
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>yeah I'm sure this thread will get locked as we gotta keep up the illusion of steam being perfect and everyone is happy</span>
[edit] Forgot to mention, that all this HDD space and it still won't run any games either. I can't join a game of anything without it crashing...[/edit]
[edit2]OMG it finally loaded a game without crashing on the 3rd try. Holy crap. I actually got to remember how bad CS was! Yay[/edit2]
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I'm trying to keep an open mind regarding steam, but they're not making it easy.
Does it really matter though? Less than 2GB in a world where you can get HDDs for less than $1 per GB.
That is the most idiotic reasoning I have ever heard....
"Well gee John Smith only has a 400Mb HL folder, but instead of him using the space on his HDD the way he wants too (Because he may actually be using an ancient PC with 10Gb of space which is almost full), we'll just make the Steam Cache 2Gb so he doesn't use it for anything but OUR stuff!"
Every hour steam finds some new way to tick me off...
That's not aimed at you Pseudoknight, but at Valve....
When you download CS1.6 to play, you're downloading the retail version. The retail version acts independently from your Half-Life install. The same with DOD. I can make some logical guesses based on the following two caches: half-life engine, half-life localized. I think this may be something that all versions tap into for ease of Half-Life updating without redundancy of bandwidth and disk space. I would really like to know what "localized" is, though.
Perhaps as time goes on Valve will explain the workings behind Steam. We'll then know what does what. One reason why people are unwilling to change is that they are so used to the current system and know all the details of it, while Steam is somewhat of a mystery so far. (it doesn't help that it hasn't been done before and there's rampant rumors)
Just say no.
Steam is set up where if you want to buy games, such as HL2, you pay Valve the SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY you would pay instores and you just download it through steam instead of purchasing the game in a store... It's not an evil revenue raising scheme.
The concept of Steam is great, but because it is:
A.) Compulsory. It replaces your WonID with a SteamID
B.) Riddled with bugs. Some people have it working, a lot more don't.
C.) Does a lot of stuff we aren't used to doing. Like the cache of files...
D.) Replaces a system we were all happy with for 5 years. Not many people like change in the online world...
E.) Has NO simple to understand documentation. It is this huge engima to a lot of users. A lot of what people are stating may be false, because we have simply not been provided with enough documentation.
F.) Insert your own F. I'm sure you all have one more reason why you are slightly miffed with Steam.
I simply do not like Steam, I know I must use it, but I think it is an absolutely horrid program that has caused a gigantic amount of confusion, annoyance and high tension.
I know Valve WILL do something about it, but I personally am simply crossing my fingers for a non-compulsory system.
<Scythe-> i think valve underestimated the greed and impatience of the average gamer
and
* Scythe|Pro-Steam- is thankfull there is no way to reach accross the internet and throttle someone
<Scythe|Pro-Steam-> else i would have a large number of first-degree murder charges against me
YES! Steam currently has issues with stability!
YES! Steam currently has issues with bandwidth!
YES! Steam currently has issues with HD use!
YES! I hate people that assume steam is worse than Satan because it doesn't work for them!
Valve are not idiots.
They know there are issues.
They are working to fix them.
I will eat my good hat if the WON servers go down without at least 95% of people happy with steam.
--Scythe--
Can I choose the sauce? =D~
it's spelled Poll, Ken. if you're going to make a bet, you should make it clear exactly what you're betting on.
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F.) Was the most spectacularly arsed up software release i have ever witnessed.
It's tragic really. Many people weren't even happy with the idealistic concept of steam - the content delivery system that acts as a front end to all your games, automatically updates itself and your games library, and offers you downloads of retail software.
If that had been exactly what they released, they might have had a 50% approval rating for it. Some people would have disliked the idea of having to load a front end, some wouldn't have appreciated the banner adverts, some might have felt the change silly and unnecessary.
Some might have been happy.
However, what we ended up with was a complete farce. Everything that could possibly go wrong with the release did go wrong: The release was delayed, the website down. When the website came up (some time after launch), the forums that could have been used for support were not accessible. The 500k installer would not load at all for many people, giving a missing system file error. The people who got it to load, were stuck in a steam update process that for many took up to an hour, despite only trying to download a file of around 2mb. Upon finishing this update process, accounts were created and (assuming you were actually able to create/log on to your account) steam attempted to cache your HL files.
The caching appeared to have a 90% failure rate. When the caching inevitably failed, the only way to get steam to attempt another cache was to create a new account, with a new email address. If part of the caching succeeded, and another part failed, steam would report the game as being properly setup, while refusing to actually load it. With the caching process abandoned, users were then forced to download the entireity of HL from packed content servers. Meanwhile, steam will crash or stop responding at every other menu change, and upon dying it would take a month of sundays to reopen. Ontop of this, additional steam features such as the friends network refused to work due to network overload.
Assuming you actually managed to update steam, create and log into an account, cache and update HL. You still only had about a 50% chance of getting a game out of steam at all. Personally speaking, after over a day of fiddling with steam, 8 different accounts and far too much bandwidth spent on downloading files i already had, i did finally succeed in getting regular HL and HLDM to load:
HL single player crashed at every mid-map loading... screen. HLDM ran, but was unplayable because the instant it loaded up, steam decided it needed to update counter-strike, resulting in a ping of 800. After going back to the games menu to ensure 'do not automatically update this game' was selected for every possible game, i tried again to play HLDM, only to have the exact same thing happen. NS still failed to load once.
That was 2 days ago. Now, Valve has ceased support for its 500k steam loader, and all links currently point to a 380mb HL + steam install. Ironic that a system designed to download and update games, has to be pre-packaged with the appropriate games and patches, because it fails spectacularly at actually donwloading them. Also, as of today, steam has decided the games i managed to get cached after many hours and many accounts no longer exist, and is hell bent on re-downloading all of them, over 64k isdn, across packed content servers.
When i finally get steam to work correctly, i will essentially be back where i started prior to the steam launch, only down a couple of GB in bandwidth, and with the ability to (sometimes) play checkers with the limited number of other people who succeeded in getting it to run.
For a compulsary system, it doesn't exactly leave you with a very good first impression does it.
Which makes you wonder why the hell it came OUT of beta if it wasn't ready at all....
Answer: We needed to get this out just in time for Half-life 2....
I'm done with being angry at Steam.
I didn't like the concept Steam proposed, but I thought it was a good system for those who wanted to use it. So I decided to give it a go while it was in beta format. While I was playing CS I had constant 8000 pings. It was updating while I played.
I'm on a 56k modem, I love patches to death.
It means I have CONTROL over what I download.
It means I can archive patches, so when I feel like having some classic DoD Version X.X action I HAVE them sitting right there.
It means patches are available over a giant range of hosts. Instead of just streaming a patch through one server.
Steam removes the control I once had.
All I want is my WonID converted to a SteamID.
That's it.
Just release a program where I enter my CD-Key, it converts my WonID to a SteamID and patches HL1 accordingly. Is that too much to ask...
I do not have any use for Steam. I just want to play Half-life 1 and all it's mods the way I was playing them for the last 5 years.... Have your magnifecent Steam system for future games, but I'm begging you for the love of god I just want Half-life 1 left alone...
It truly is a sad sad day for Half-life 1.
The idea is great, but the execution is lacking.
I'm sorry Monse, please, don't lock this, because Steam IS crap.
I have a mere 20gb's of space on my computer. I've deleted so much crap already, and yet I only have 560mb's in my C drive, and 400mb's in my D drive. I just can't take this!
Yes, I could upgrade, but I'm running an NS server, something I'm trying to do for the HL community, and it seems like this is trying to stop me from doing so by sucking up more money from me, on top of my paying for half of my college expenses... *Sigh*
seriously 1.82gb is nothing anymore...
It's a pity this thread will probably be locked, as it's starting to turn into an interesting discussion on the subject.
So many people have already vented their frustration in the 12 page thread that got locked, so they are no <i>starting</i> to come down off their high horse and analyse the situation logically. Both the IRC Op and Forum Mod teams are getting rather miffed with just the constant complaining about Steam (I know they've put up with me for a few days on the subject *Hugs Commando*)
So I pose this question to the Ops and Mods:
Would you be this annoyed with all of us if Steam was a good program, or it functioned the way it was intended too?
The answer is no. But most human beings like to relay how much crap they've had to deal with lately. It can be part of any normal conversation, hell I was in a pub yesterday having a drink and talking with my mates about Steam. It's just when 20,000 people are CONSTANTLY going on and on and on and on and on about it, that the Ops and Admins get annoyed. Of course that said, there isn't a thing any of us can do about it.
They have the power to slap us around a bit, we don't. So it's just good to see where they are coming from.
THAT SAID
I've gotten past the "OMG TEH STEAM IS TEH CRAP!!!" stage, and I now can talk sensibly on the subject. So let the thread stay open for a bit ;p
seriously 1.82gb is nothing anymore... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I used to run HL and CS off a 300Mhz PC with 3Gb of storage.
It seriously is a big deal, because a few poor pitiful souls are probably still stuck running a similar system....
That was the most randomest thing i have seen all month.
Steam is crap for now, eventually it'll get better until it's so good you would reget the day when you called Steam a pile of muck. Besides HL2 is coming out , play tha tfor a while then come back to a slightly decent Steam, also as we type Valve are fixing up Steam.
Are they streaming the patch?
Bwhahahahahaha *bangs hand on table*
Are you sure that 1st "I" in "fixing" wasn't meant to be a "U"?
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I would be interested to know why i'm not qualified to post in this thread. It seems to me where you live and the validity of your opinions about steam are completely unrelated.
On that note, I have downloaded steam, but i'm not touching it with a 10 foot pole until I start seeing a few more positive comments about it.