[idea] Revamped Thompson

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  • rOoKerOoKe Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19320Members
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--absentic+Sep 13 2003, 03:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (absentic @ Sep 13 2003, 03:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--njroo ke+Sep 13 2003, 01:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (njroo ke @ Sep 13 2003, 01:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ah funky, heres your holo  <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    oh yea, the X hair should be red like laser, but my colors are messing up for some reason <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    how exactly does that xhair work? (hint: its floating in the air)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <b>be nice</b>

    secondly, you yourself in your very intelligent remark: "I wasn't flaming, I just told him this is a stupid idea. Its the year 5869 or something, they don't use thompsons."

    you should know yourself that in the year 5869 or something, they could have invented new technologies, like floating crosshairs.

    lastly, it was HIS REQUEST to have a floating holopoint as seen in the seburo compact pistol. if you look around and find the skin, you will see that also on that gun, the crosshairs are floating. its called imagination.

    edit: yea, as revolver says, it is indeed a hologram.
  • Fox_OneFox_One Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12310Members
    edited September 2003
    All I know is that last pic looks very, very sexy <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    //edit
    I know why your colors are messing up. Bring the pallette up to 16 million colors.
  • rOoKerOoKe Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19320Members
    in paint? where? i dont see any palette options
  • ChackleChackle Join Date: 2003-01-24 Member: 12672Members
    Oh lol I've been out aaaaallll day and i come back to see this topic three pages long? Nice to see people interested in the idea <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--[DRS]Lt.S.Owen+Sep 13 2003, 09:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([DRS]Lt.S.Owen @ Sep 13 2003, 09:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> not really... there are parts of the thompson in it but its completly diff, does a tommy have a carry handle? does a pulse rifle have a buttstock like that? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    thats not true...they used the whole gun..they just removed the stock and the woodforegrip..

    the pusle rifle from the movie is a life firing thompson with an underbarell remington 870 shotgun as grenade launcher.

    Fig. 1: showing the Thompson M1A1 sub-machine gun around which the pulse rifle is built. Note the 20-round magazine, which will be attached to the fake magazine butt-plate. Here the wooden stock and foregrip have already been removed. The rear sight will be removed, the barrel replaced and extended, and the wooden grip replaced with a cast one.
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042299245.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    Fig. 2: showing the Remington 870 shotgun which acts as the grenade launcher. The shotgun is almost invisible in the finished pulse rifle, except for the ejection port (here bright silver). Note how the shotgun trigger corresponds with the space below the ammunition counter; this is where the 'grenade' trigger would be. In this diagram the shoulder stock has already been removed. The fore-end of the barrel will be cut down and the wooden grip removed
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042299271.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    Fig. 3: the visible surface of the grenade launcher is actually the outer casing of a Franchi SPAS-12, reversed so that it points backwards. This conceals the shotgun. An elliptical hole needs to be milled out of the right-hand side, which will exactly match the shotgun port within. This will allow the shotgun cartridges to be ejected. Also a hole must be cut in the underside, matching the loading port of the shotgun.
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042299296.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    Fig. 4: this is the pump-grip from the Franchi. (Note that it is facing the correct way; in other words it is reversed on the Franchi casing.) The grip will be sawn down by about half its length (see faint white mark), and a cutout made on the right side so as not to interfere with the cartridge ejection as the pump slides back. On the left side a small plate is riveted through to the pump of the Remington inside; thus the two are locked together and the Franchi grip actually works the Remington slide.
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042299321.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    The above gun components form the majority of the pulse rifle. The only parts remaining to be custom-made are:
    Machine-gun barrel heatsink/radiator
    Shoulder stock (retractable)
    Front end for grenade launcher (Franchi) enclosing shotgun barrel
    Primary shroud, encasing the whole weapon. This also contains the LED ammunition counter, although shots of the digits actually counting may have been filmed with separate insert pieces.
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042299368.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>


    summary and some more info ..

    Practical (working) prop weapons were constructed using a Thompson M1A1 sub-machine gun, underneath which was mounted a Remington 870 series shotgun, considerably cut down. The shotgun was concealed within the barrel shroud of a Franchi SPAS-12 shotgun, to represent the grenade launcher. The whole was housed in a futuristic cover incorporating a carrying handle with integral sight rail and electronic ammunition counter display.

    Component parts of the pulse rifle

    The pulse rifle in its practical form was extremely heavy and therefore cumbersome to carry. Lightweight fibreglass replicas were also made for the cast to carry when it was not necessary to show the rifle in operation or in close-up. The pulse rifle shown here is derived from those lightweight replicas. We would never profess that the casting shown was "from the original moulds" - the silicone rubber from which moulds are made only has a life of a few years. For the sake of improving detail the grenade launcher and pump grip have been replaced with original SPAS-12 parts. The original cast-on housing screws have been replaced with real machine screws, and the M1A1 magazine removal lever and spring assembly have been replaced with cast resin ones. The upper barrel has also been replaced, it being slightly bent originally (this version was possibly a third or fourth generation copy).

    The pulse rifle has been produced many times in kit form.

    Probably the first was the vacuum-form plastic and resin kit by Science Shop.
    Next came the far more accurate Star Arms version. Released in November 1989 it was also comprised of vacuform and resin parts*.
    Marco Ent. in the USA released a pulse rifle which featured a moving pump grip, working trigger, machine gun sound and illuminating barrel tip and ammo counter display.
    UK company Relics produce a rifle in wood parts, incorporating actual SPAS-12 shroud and pump grip.
    In 1998 US company Icons released the first officially licensed pulse rifle. However the reference original was rather the worse for wear, and although very neat and clean, the Icons replicas are slightly inaccurate in many ways.
    Probably the most accurate pulse rifle was produced by S D Studios in the US. The replicas incorporated actual SPAS-12 parts and deactivated Remington 870 shotguns and Thompson M1A1 weapons. Stocks and barrel ventilation shrouds were fabricated from metal; the carrying enclosure was made from fibreglass. The rifle also included a working ammo counter, reset when the magazine was removed and replaced.
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042300448.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
  • ChackleChackle Join Date: 2003-01-24 Member: 12672Members
    omg sheena you amaze me! I still wonder why sheena aint a mod, i think sheena would make a great mod!
  • Duo_MaxwellDuo_Maxwell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4631Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--sheena yanai+Sep 13 2003, 10:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Sep 13 2003, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--[DRS]Lt.S.Owen+Sep 13 2003, 09:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([DRS]Lt.S.Owen @ Sep 13 2003, 09:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> not really... there are parts of the thompson in it but its completly diff, does a tommy have a carry handle? does a pulse rifle have a buttstock like that? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    thats not true...they used the whole gun..they just removed the stock and the woodforegrip..

    the pusle rifle from the movie is a life firing thompson with an underbarell remington 870 shotgun as grenade launcher.

    Fig. 1: showing the Thompson M1A1 sub-machine gun around which the pulse rifle is built. Note the 20-round magazine, which will be attached to the fake magazine butt-plate. Here the wooden stock and foregrip have already been removed. The rear sight will be removed, the barrel replaced and extended, and the wooden grip replaced with a cast one.
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042299245.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    Fig. 2: showing the Remington 870 shotgun which acts as the grenade launcher. The shotgun is almost invisible in the finished pulse rifle, except for the ejection port (here bright silver). Note how the shotgun trigger corresponds with the space below the ammunition counter; this is where the 'grenade' trigger would be. In this diagram the shoulder stock has already been removed. The fore-end of the barrel will be cut down and the wooden grip removed
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042299271.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    Fig. 3: the visible surface of the grenade launcher is actually the outer casing of a Franchi SPAS-12, reversed so that it points backwards. This conceals the shotgun. An elliptical hole needs to be milled out of the right-hand side, which will exactly match the shotgun port within. This will allow the shotgun cartridges to be ejected. Also a hole must be cut in the underside, matching the loading port of the shotgun.
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042299296.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    Fig. 4: this is the pump-grip from the Franchi. (Note that it is facing the correct way; in other words it is reversed on the Franchi casing.) The grip will be sawn down by about half its length (see faint white mark), and a cutout made on the right side so as not to interfere with the cartridge ejection as the pump slides back. On the left side a small plate is riveted through to the pump of the Remington inside; thus the two are locked together and the Franchi grip actually works the Remington slide.
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042299321.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
    The above gun components form the majority of the pulse rifle. The only parts remaining to be custom-made are:
    Machine-gun barrel heatsink/radiator
    Shoulder stock (retractable)
    Front end for grenade launcher (Franchi) enclosing shotgun barrel
    Primary shroud, encasing the whole weapon. This also contains the LED ammunition counter, although shots of the digits actually counting may have been filmed with separate insert pieces.
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042299368.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>


    summary and some more info ..

    Practical (working) prop weapons were constructed using a Thompson M1A1 sub-machine gun, underneath which was mounted a Remington 870 series shotgun, considerably cut down. The shotgun was concealed within the barrel shroud of a Franchi SPAS-12 shotgun, to represent the grenade launcher. The whole was housed in a futuristic cover incorporating a carrying handle with integral sight rail and electronic ammunition counter display.

    Component parts of the pulse rifle

    The pulse rifle in its practical form was extremely heavy and therefore cumbersome to carry. Lightweight fibreglass replicas were also made for the cast to carry when it was not necessary to show the rifle in operation or in close-up. The pulse rifle shown here is derived from those lightweight replicas. We would never profess that the casting shown was "from the original moulds" - the silicone rubber from which moulds are made only has a life of a few years. For the sake of improving detail the grenade launcher and pump grip have been replaced with original SPAS-12 parts. The original cast-on housing screws have been replaced with real machine screws, and the M1A1 magazine removal lever and spring assembly have been replaced with cast resin ones. The upper barrel has also been replaced, it being slightly bent originally (this version was possibly a third or fourth generation copy).

    The pulse rifle has been produced many times in kit form.

    Probably the first was the vacuum-form plastic and resin kit by Science Shop.
    Next came the far more accurate Star Arms version. Released in November 1989 it was also comprised of vacuform and resin parts*.
    Marco Ent. in the USA released a pulse rifle which featured a moving pump grip, working trigger, machine gun sound and illuminating barrel tip and ammo counter display.
    UK company Relics produce a rifle in wood parts, incorporating actual SPAS-12 shroud and pump grip.
    In 1998 US company Icons released the first officially licensed pulse rifle. However the reference original was rather the worse for wear, and although very neat and clean, the Icons replicas are slightly inaccurate in many ways.
    Probably the most accurate pulse rifle was produced by S D Studios in the US. The replicas incorporated actual SPAS-12 parts and deactivated Remington 870 shotguns and Thompson M1A1 weapons. Stocks and barrel ventilation shrouds were fabricated from metal; the carrying enclosure was made from fibreglass. The rifle also included a working ammo counter, reset when the magazine was removed and replaced.
    <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042300448.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    We know Sheene....we know <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • KatsuroKatsuro Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4809Members
    Actually Ive been thinking of something like this for a while:

    M1A2000

    Cal: 5.56mm Nato
    Magazine: 50 Rounds Drum
    RoF: 800 RPM
    Modes: Single/Auto

    The M1A2000 is a 21st century update to the venerable but popular Thompson Submachine Gun. The reciever and action have been lengthened and reinforced using the latest techniques and alloys to accept the standard 5.56mm Nato cartridge and to withstand the stresses of firing at 800 RPM. Ammunition is in the form of 50 round see-through plastic drum magazines. The wooden components have been replaced by black stippled ballistic polymer. The polymer stock is detachable and contains a field cleaning kit. The pistol foregrip contains a laser aiming module and carries a rail to mount accessories. The LAM is activated by a button on the front of the grip.
  • MetalHeartMetalHeart Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18971Members
    njroo ke - nice concept <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> No holo, no drum mag please <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Maybe change front handle in something like in PulseRifle....and heatshield... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Rest of gun i like <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ChackleChackle Join Date: 2003-01-24 Member: 12672Members
    First attempt for me at making it slightly more futuristic
  • ChackleChackle Join Date: 2003-01-24 Member: 12672Members
  • Fox_OneFox_One Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12310Members
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--sheena yanai+Sep 13 2003, 06:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Sep 13 2003, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1042300448.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I MUST HAVE THAT SHIRT!!!

    //edit
    Chackle, muve the LAM up higher, Re-Do the stock, and it's great <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Acid_SnakeAcid_Snake Join Date: 2003-07-29 Member: 18550Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--[DRS]Lt.S.Owen+Sep 13 2003, 08:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([DRS]Lt.S.Owen @ Sep 13 2003, 08:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ding... i had a try, but i wanna see chackles progressw cuz he's gettin good <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ...i thought that pic looked famillier....

    u little turd...next time ASK before publicly presenting works that are made out of my stuff....
  • Fox_OneFox_One Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12310Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Acid-Snake+Sep 15 2003, 09:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Acid-Snake @ Sep 15 2003, 09:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--[DRS]Lt.S.Owen+Sep 13 2003, 08:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([DRS]Lt.S.Owen @ Sep 13 2003, 08:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ding... i had a try, but i wanna see chackles progressw cuz he's gettin good <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ...i thought that pic looked famillier....

    u little turd...next time ASK before publicly presenting works that are made out of my stuff.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You mean he made it based on your stuff? Unless he used parts of the gun or the whole gun theres no reason to get angry...
  • Owen1Owen1 Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15457Members
    umm the grip is his, but its just a space filler till i do my own... in short, chill out, or log out
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