Are marines really outnumbered?

lazygamer

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->-Alien playing styles - Aliens are designed to use their physical advanatges to carry the fight. Speed, stealth, the ability to go places humans can't - combined with greater numbers and tougher hides, they should be able to take whatever the marines dish out. All in all, a more DM-oriented set of classes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Errr greater numbers? How is that possible? One player=one marine or one alien right? Unless the game forces the alien team to have 2 more players then the marine team.

Sono

Hm.. that sounds weird. And I bet its wrong <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

Battousaix

<!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--> they dont have greater numbers, but i think they respawn faster than marines.......
also, marines expend 1 guy for commanding......

Nemesis_Zero

The ronin hit the nail.

Aliens tend to come back faster and have one fighter more in a 'balanced' game.
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Sono

So anything gets clear.

When I look at Battousai's avatar and sig I suddenly remember to punish Nemesis Zero by playing Rouroni Kenshin title theme all day <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->

lazygamer

Errr come back faster? How does that work, you have to sit at your corpse for 20 seconds? Perhaps you go into ghost mode? Come back faster indicates a waiting period, sitting seems to boring, ghosting seems too unbalanced.

SmokeMasta

you r dead until your commander/hive has enough resorce to respawn u

Kidzelda

The marines do it too. But it's faster for the aliens for some reason, and you REALLY don't want to die on the marine team since they have the collective resource pool, and each time you spawn costs RPs.

Nemesis_Zero

Umm... don't be too sure about the respwn method, it's still largely STC.

It will however be designed to allow the DMmy aliens a faster re-entry in the game.

Battousaix

when u die, its like dod, u go to spectator mode and after a period of time u respawn, as a marine, dependin on the ammount of phase gates they own...... the phase gate spawns a marine, and it has to cooldown to spawn another one, so after 20 secs of cooldown its rdy to spawn another marine...... if u dont have enough rps u cant respawn.......
i dunno how the alien respawning system works....... so i cant tell u anything.....

Surge

Also, the marines have one as a Commander, so they have 1 less, or possibly 2, if the game is unable to make them exactly equal. (ala 14 vs 15, 11 vs 12)

Sgt_Bilko1

A commander should not be considered as a minus one in the sense you are thinking, or at all really. The commander adds a considerable amount of power to the marine side, and it would be impossible for the marines to win without one. You really can't equate the two at all because of how different the role of a commander is as opposed to a marine. A 12 marines vs. 13 aliens game is certainly equal, although that all depends on the RTS style skills of the commander.

Dunsby

will there be a thing to even the teams? there might be 10aliens and 2 marines and no-one wont wanna change or somethink so you might need one <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

the_stalker

it sounds like if you have a grenade launcher or a mini nuke, you outnumber the aliens by a long shot <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
but thats just me  :|

Snake13

if i remember correctly the respawns only cost rp in tournament mode

Greedo

1.  lazygamer:  what you quoted is at least 3 months old.  Much has changed in the world of NS since then.

2. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->the phase gate spawns a marine<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You've confused your buildings.  Phase gates allow light speed travel between each other.  Infantry portals allow marines to respawn.

3. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->will there be a thing to even the teams?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fun factor.  Horribly unbalanced games, in terms of team numbers, are no fun whatsoever, for either team.  Playing the whole game and not running into anyone on the other team is entirely possible with unbalanced teams, and when that happens, you usually feel really dissapointed.  The best part of the game are the intense, even matched battles that can and do happen often.

Longtooth

How exactly does the alien respawn work? (I could list a few speculations here but I decided not too)

coil

You respawn at the hive; it takes approximately 30 seconds (STC), and the hive can spawn one alien at a time.  Multiple hives, obviously, can spawn multiple aliens simultaneously.  All aliens spawn as a level1.

lazygamer

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->1.  lazygamer:  what you quoted is at least 3 months old.  Much has changed in the world of NS since then.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Lol ok then, Perhaps MonsE should modify his site. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->

Surge

What I mean is that if the teams are: Marines-12, Aliens-13, and one Marine jumps into Commander, the game is effectively 11 vs 13 <i>troops</i> (not team members). But I'm sure this will be fun, as being outnumbered by Aliens gives the game a sense of... um... suspense?

Flayra

I'm not sure where you got that quote, but since it's spelled wrong, I don't think you got it from me. ;)  If it is from me, it's quite old and not totally relevant anymore.

Longtooth

Oh....I was hoping aliens could hatch from eggs and then attach onto a marines face and impregnate him then claw out of his chest as a snake like animal.....Oh wait wrong game <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->  I was thinking the aliens from the move Aliens life cycle makes no since it is way to overcomplicated for evolution to have devised it must have been engineered.  Anyways being outnumbered by ravenous aliens is what marines do.

Whiskey_Tango_Foxtrot

<!--QuoteBegin--Longtooth+Aug. 08 2002,14:56--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Longtooth @ Aug. 08 2002,14:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyways being outnumbered by ravenous aliens is what marines do.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn't that why you signed up?  :|

Three words: <b>Bring.  It.  On.</b>

Longtooth

Thats exactly why I signed up.  I figure the more aliens the less chance I have to miss,  I call it the China Theorem.  But that is for another day.

Belgarion

Nemesis Zero has the RK theme?.. the Japanese one?... from the tv show? not the oav? the real one? really?! i must have....

Belg

Surge

Maybe I should start writing whole sentences in acronyms, so if I quote myself, I can do it easily...

Oh yeah, the topic. I think it's better if the Marines are outnumbered. Makes it more movie-like... well... except for the first Alien, which had a single alien taking out the whole crew... and then in the second one they blew away swarms of 'em...

But this would be more like Aliens, I suppose. Kick-###.

Longtooth

So how exactly do aliens get resources from killing marines?  Do they eat thier bodies and absorb thier biomater?

Venmoch

Hmmm Outnumbered.... Damn please tell me I won't have a really sensitive motion sensor (the one in AvP2 gave me the creaps)

DruBo

You won't have any motion sensor as a marine. And the Alien one is not really a motion sensor, per se. It's hive sight, i.e. if one alien sees some marines, all the aliens know where they are.

MutantMFM

With a good commander that has enough experience in a RTS game I believe even if the humans are out numbered they could still win.

Tombo

I think being out numbered or over powered just means u need alot of team work to pull it off. It makes u feel like ur in a movie...like in starship troopers or something but not...well ya know