Half-life Porting Petition

ikirikir Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18265Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Gold
<div class="IPBDescription">Linux MacOS AmigaOS MorphOS</div> Please firm this petition to support Half-Life porting for alterative oses! It is very important!

<a href='http://halflife.amiga.8k.com/' target='_blank'>http://halflife.amiga.8k.com/</a>

Thanks very much to all for your contribuitions.
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  • sawcesawce Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10787Members
    I used to be a firm Linux user, and I can say that I was able to run Half-Life and all of it's mods (with the exception of voice comm in NS) without any trouble through WineX. I was using a Geforce back then, since NVidia had, imo, better Linux support with it's drivers. HL, CS, NS, DoD, all of it worked in OpenGL mode.

    <a href='http://www.transgaming.com' target='_blank'>http://www.transgaming.com</a>

    The source is free on a CVS, however if you want precompiled binaries, you need to subscribe (you also get tech support when you subscribe, but I had no trouble with the source, though it took some time to compile).
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    More related to HL in general than NS. <span style='color:orange'>*phased*</span> to off-topic.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Ha. No way I want Macs to use MAH game.

    Linux? Sure.

    Mac? Hell frikkin no.
  • docchimpydocchimpy Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18266Members
    Amen, Quanaut, Amen.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    You want VALVe to do it? Too much work, they've got enough on their plates.

    Otherwise, I've got no problem with any ports. I use Windows, anyway. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    You want VALVe to be the ones who work their **** off so the few of you foolish enough to use non-Windows OS'es can play HL2? If it was a petition for a single non-windows OS conversion I'd sign but it looks like you want 3 or 4 different OS'es.


    I'd sign it for the Penguin but not anything else.
  • JavertJavert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--SmokeNova+Sep 6 2003, 12:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SmokeNova @ Sep 6 2003, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You want VALVe to be the ones who work their **** off so the few of you foolish enough to use non-Windows OS'es can play HL2? If it was a petition for a single non-windows OS conversion I'd sign but it looks like you want 3 or 4 different OS'es.


    I'd sign it for the Penguin but not anything else. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Agreed. It's too cumbersome. Half of these OS's I've never even heard of, so only a mac and linux port would have a GLIMMER of hope. Not enough support for the rest.
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    I'd rather they finish HL2 than take the time to appease what might be 3% of their fanbase
  • MausMaus Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5599Members
    *tries to picture HL running on an Amiga*

    *dies laughing*
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Gotta love the guy who signed with a VooDoo3. Or the one with no graphics card at all.
  • Mr-StabbyMr-Stabby Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14401Banned
    Whats the amiga all about!?!?!!?

    Linux yes!!

    I think definitely a mac version. Macs have great potential for great games! The G5 can do so much and is wasted at the moment. I reckon Half-Life 2 would work ****in ace on a Mac G5!!
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Personally, I'd sign for a Linux port. But I'd sooner sign for a GP32 port than for a macintrash port.

    Have to use the dang G5s at college, and they're cruddy, unstable, and SLOW compared to my 1.4 T-bird. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Seriously.. I can't use Maya 5 for more than 40 minutes without crashing. If I'm into editing isoparms, I'm lucky to finish 5 operations before the macintoy junks out.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm lucky to finish 5 operations before the macintoy junks out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Is it really the OS (Im assuming OSX here, correct me if wrong) thats unstable? or just the App that your using (NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION)? I personally havent had any problems with the iMac in the basement running 10.2. Also, even if it is true, whats with all the Mac hatin'? I mean, is it really the OS that bothers you (how can it be so threatening to you if you don't use it?)? or is it the large percentage of elitest OSX users? (as seems to be the case with linux hatin').

    And lastly, If HL is ported to one UNIX OS, then it should be a walk in the park to port it to another, espescially if they use something like <a href='http://www.libsdl.org/index.php' target='_blank'>SDL</a> to do it. Granted that since macs use a different endian arrangement then x86s they could still be a problem.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    I'm pretty certain it isn't the application, as on my T-bird, Maya has no problems besides minor rendering glitches (which are being worked on.. known driver issues with the overdraw method used) in the modelling stage. Even then, the isoparms place and cut properly. Never get a huge slowdown and 'waitwaitwait' with the rainbow spiral of doom.

    I also use Linux, but any elitism in that is more geared against people who want to use a computer without learning about it... even basic directory structure eludes many.

    The real Mac elitism I see is more aimed toward 'I paid a hell of a lot more for my computer than you did, and it looks neater', when you can get a machine that runs quite a bit faster for quite a bit less cash.

    Mostly though, I just hate having to use the thing and deal with its crashing (as well as video-blank deaths that can apparently ONLY be fixed by putting in a system restore CD) for roughly eight hours a week.
    These are brand spankin' new machines, put together by the company that makes them. They should at LEAST work for a month or two before tossing these kinds of errors. :b
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <a href='http://www.nata2.info/humor/movies/mac.wmv' target='_blank'>Mac's... t3h d3vil?</a>

    (Warning - naughty words).
  • AngelusAngelus Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10810Members, Constellation
    lol, damn you MonsE, you beat me to it, i was about to post a link to that....

    As for Macs... my school is a (mostly) mac based school. They're starting to see sense and get some Windows machines in now tho...

    we have the latest imacs, running MacOS 10 i think... ****, those things suck so much i risk taking my dads pc laptop in to avoid using the things...

    As for the HL2 on an Amiga, that would be funny
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    God, it's been so long since I've <i>seen</i> an Amiga. That's like having a petition to make HL2 run on the Caldera DR-DOS 5 partition of your Netware 2.2 server...
  • AngelusAngelus Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10810Members, Constellation
    we used to have 3 or 4 of em, but we got rid of em a few years back.....

    just thinking of them brings back memories of great games tho..
  • ikirikir Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18265Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Gold
    I think you guys don't know amiga..... It has a powerfull operating modern system with many thing will never be on windows like a real multitasking.

    You can play Quake on 1024x768 in opengl with 33Mhz system. Instead a pc need a 200mhz to run in this config at least.

    The new amigas are really powerfull and most will use the fastest processors on earth the G5 like the lastest IMAC.

    Amiga is very similiar to linux, both unix system. The porting wil be done for AmigaOS in few months then from Amiga to Linux (only 3-4 weeks) and thena again from Linux to Mac (another 3-4 weeks).

    It is not a waste of time bacause the port will be done by Hyperion Enterntinment not by valve itself.

    Please firm and help. Thanks to all alrady signed.
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    Doesn't Mac OS have an entire different enviroment code and such? As it is, BioWare just BARELY got out NeverWinter Nights for MAC, and that's been on windows for ages.



    One would think it'll take a company that didn't make the product a bit longer to port it to a MAC, even from linux, not just 3 or 4 weeks.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--ikir+Sep 8 2003, 03:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ikir @ Sep 8 2003, 03:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think you guys don't know amiga..... It has a powerfull operating modern system with many thing will never be on windows like a real multitasking. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Please explain to me how Windows NT 3.51/NT4/2000/XP/2003 does not have real multi-tasking. I am eager to find out how I've been fooled for the past 10 years...
  • ikirikir Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18265Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Gold
    Win doesn't have a real software hardwar multitasking. Only AmigaOS, QNX, Neutrino have it.

    It explain for example why for run the old Worms for example you need:
    Windows: 486 dx100Mhz 8mb ram, videocard 4mb
    Amiga: 68k running at only 7mhz, 512kb ram.

    Not to mentition shogo, quake2, or others game.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited September 2003
    I think what you are talking about (rather incorrectly), is that the Amiga hardware architecture provides for a lot more multi-tasking subsystems than most OS's. This has absolutely nothing to do with Windows, and actually is rather analogous to a modern WinTel PC with more modern susbsystems like graphics processors, sound cards, etc. The fact that it uses hardware with lower clock cycles is not relevant to multitasking either. Especially since you point out that new Amigas will require you to buy a very expensive G5 architecture that is quite powerful in order to be used...

    Your comparison is very correct compared to Windows for Workgroups 3.11, from about 12 years ago. I will certainly grant you that.
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    Even if Half-Life 2 was ported to AmigaOS, i'd still point and laugh at you. My computer can run pretty much any program released for Windows while you have to wait for it to be ported.


    And ok, so what if AmigaOS doesn't require good hardware? It just makes it sound like you have an old computer, older then my IBM PS/1
  • Mr-StabbyMr-Stabby Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14401Banned
    edited September 2003
    I don't know why ppl hate macs so much.

    I am a Media Technician at my local Media centre at college, and we have both Mac G4/G5s as well as PCs for editing videos as well as for things like Maya and Adobe applications.

    The macs perform a lot better at Maya than the PCs do. Infact the PCs suck in comparison, and these are 2ghz machines whereas the G4s are only 466mhz, i'm sorry but i've worked with both machines for months and i'd know which i'd choose.

    Mac OS X is the dogs preverbials, i mean it has a unix backdrop but its a lot easier to use than linux, you've got the perfect combination

    I mean i'm getting a new laptop next month, and i've decided to get an Apple Powerbook with 17' widescreen and 1ghz G4, oohhh yeah!
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    I don't hate Mac's. I like Mac's, very intuitive OS but I think they are good for Commercial uses only, not game/private use. If the Mac bites it, few people will know how to fix it.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited September 2003
    I thought G4's were 1.25Ghz? Where do you get 466Mhz?

    I would like to see some benchmarks of a G5 competing against a Operton64 or Itanium2 running XP-64bit. It's not a terribly fair comparison for Apple to keep claiming its the fastest personal computer processor in the world when they stack a 64-bit chip against last year's 32-bit. Maybe Tom's Hardware will run a speed test. I can say that the G5 is the world's slowest processor running HL2 right now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> .

    And those in the IT world can tell you that Mac's are utterly irritating to run on a network unless they stay in a nice little homogenous Mac world and don't bother all those users with actual work to do (and not just marketing dept. wankers, who are the only ones using Macs in a normal company). They screw up print queues, cause enormous network overhead, and are so impossible to get parts for (and fix) that only a complete fool would try and use them. Which is why they have that awesome 1% marketshare...
  • Mr-StabbyMr-Stabby Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14401Banned
    The G4 has a 466mhz version, it also had a 1.25ghz version, the G4 has been around for quite a bit.

    I run a Network with a Mac OS X Server and 150 Apple Macs, some G3s, some G4s some i-macs and soon some G5s, there are also 50 Compaq P4 Pcs connected to this network, and there are no problems.

    It seems to me the people who knock Macs for not working properly are the ppl who do not have the intelligence to use a Macintosh server/workstation.

    To me they are the best networking machines, i get fantastic network responce from them. Imaging them is great because u can use the same image for every type of mac, as no drivers are needed for mac components, it all just works, plus the imaging software comes with the Mac Server unlike PCs where you have to buy Symantec Ghost, sheesh!.

    The Mac OS X servers answer to Active Directory is ****in amazing, you can basically set up a network so the client machine isn't even touched, it basically runs off the network, and i'm not talking about Terminal Services. You can have all the applications and OS installed locally and yet it all can be controlled from the server. You can restrict applications, you can restrict certain types of documents to be used its great. I mean fgs the user profile stores things such as screen colour/resolution too, so as soon as you logout the screen resolution reverts ready for the next user to logon, its fantastic!!

    Also how is getting parts for them hard exactly, they use exactly the same components as PCs do!. The RAM is the same, the graphics cards, PCI cards are the same, the PSU is the same, the only thing which isn't the same is the motherboard, but motherboards are never the same anyway.

    Whether or not u agree with me or not, i work with both PCs and Macs and I know which type i prefer. Sure they suck for games, i'm not denying that, but for everything else they are the dogs preverbials
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Your network is very simple, very small, and very homogenous, like I said. Your experience does not reflect working with 10's of thousands of PC's and servers at one time - just a handful, really.

    You do not have to buy ghost to image machines, ever since Windows 2000. RIS and Intellimirror handle that.

    They do not have an answer to Active Directory, just simple flat networking that does not scale past a tiny environment. You can also of course network boot any sort of Windows machine, which has been the case with every MS OS since 1984. You are also describing group policies, something pioneered by MS about 12 years ago.

    When you say something is better than 'everything', you make your argument sound pretty silly. Using absolutes just adds fanaticism with no content. If you have said 'in my environment', I would have let it slide.

    And saying that the reason we do not like Macs is because we are unintelligent just makes you look like a tiresome troll who is about to lose posting rights unless you apologize to all our readers. I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation, and you are calling people little names. Unacceptable - if you can't handle a little debate, don't enter one.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mr-Stabby+Sep 8 2003, 05:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr-Stabby @ Sep 8 2003, 05:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't know why ppl hate macs so much.

    I am a Media Technician at my local Media centre at college, and we have both Mac G4/G5s as well as PCs for editing videos as well as for things like Maya and Adobe applications.

    The macs perform a lot better at Maya than the PCs do. Infact the PCs suck in comparison, and these are 2ghz machines whereas the G4s are only 466mhz, i'm sorry but i've worked with both machines for months and i'd know which i'd choose.

    Mac OS X is the dogs preverbials, i mean it has a unix backdrop but its a lot easier to use than linux, you've got the perfect combination

    I mean i'm getting a new laptop next month, and i've decided to get an Apple Powerbook with 17' widescreen and 1ghz G4, oohhh yeah! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thats the only usefull thing they can do, that and play some Blizzard games.
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