What Did "babblers" Do

JohnnySmash

<div class="IPBDescription">And why'd they take it out</div> This was a gorge ability right? I think they replaced it with Bile Bomb?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> I don't remember. Anyways what did it do and why'd they choose that ability to take out?

-JohnnySmash

OneSneakYmousE

Babblers were just a bunch of skulks that the gorge spit out that did nothing but run to the enemy, ettack, and xeno--major server killer.

I'm sure they took it out cause it caused so much lag.

fo_sheezy_my_neezy

they unleashed a skulk-like thing that had virtually no health, did virtually no damage, and was pretty retarded (attacked an enemy unit or structure if it was pretty close, but other wise they ran around doing nothing but running in place). They were a total placeholder that flayra added in at the last minute before 1.0s release, and they never got addressed until 2.0 came out.

wRaven

They were like the Snarks from standard HL.

Untitled

Sends out lvl 3 skulks to kill whatever it happens to come across. Really buggy, so they took it out I guess...

JohnnySmash

Sounds like fun to me. =D

-JohnnySmash

Jaml

Babblers were wery fun. If only they fixed the retarded AI. I hope some day they make a return. (But i guess it will never happen)

Salaman

Yah they were fun, insanely fun, the best moments of NS are the times when we would stack aliens against marine newbs and get 3 hives while never letting the marines leave their base. After we get the 3 hives, we all would go gorge and just kill all the marines and their stuff with babblers.

There really isn't the motivation for me to get the 3rd hive anymore as gorge,.. webs *yawn*, I want my retarded skulkbots back, replace spit with babblers.

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(yes, they would go the opposite direction you wanted them to)

Edit: ah, 100 posts, only took me nearly a year

JohnnySmash

Whoa man. It says Talesin is reading my post. I hope he doesn't lock it.

lol j/k <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

-JohnnySmash

JohnnySmash

Where did the name Talesin come from anyways? Sounds like that old show Talespin...

-JohnnySmash

StoatBringer

Suggestion : bring babblers back, but make them high-speed, intelligent Onoses. That fly. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

CForrester

Yeah.... No.... Babblers were really boring and annoying. "Look! That Gorge is spitting out a skulk! Run! Oh look... It's running in to the wall. Nevermind."

Brass_Pigeon

babblers were good for general chaos during the last minutes of the marine base while under attack of bilebombing fades, rampaging onos (not devouring but primal screaming and stomping etc), sporing lerks and xenociding skulks.
but I think the lag argument wins...

Forlorn

What did babblers do?

Nothing.


Why were they taken out?


...

FrickenMoron

Babblers were the ultimate fun for every gorge, they also were very deadly if used correctly

MrMojo

But then again, in 1.04 when aliens had 3 hives ( babblers = 3 hive weapon), it really didnt matter what they did.

Lancedres

<!--QuoteBegin--StoatBringer+Sep 3 2003, 05:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (StoatBringer @ Sep 3 2003, 05:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Suggestion : bring babblers back, but make them high-speed, intelligent Onoses. That fly. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
rofl <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

well, i think babblers were good, yeah they were buggy and lagged the server, but they were nice. I think bile bomb for the gorge is actually usefull, but... i wanted web as my 2nd hive weapon.... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

SlayerOfSkulks

I think another reason Babblers were removed is they were an 'indirect' attack... Everything else in the game is either a direct offensive attack, or a static offence... these were, in effect, extra bot characters for the Kharaa. OK, really unintelligent bots, but still.

Cheez1

Ahh yes the days of 4 adrenaline + Cara gorges filling an entire base full of skulk-bots while the real skulks snuck into the pack <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

Guspaz

Now if Babbelers could make a return with more health, and WhichBot powered AI, they'd be worth it. And if WhichBot's AI didn't work due to the NEED for waypoints, then RCbot's auto-navigation skulks suck a lot more, but are still worlds better than the old run-forward-until-you-hit-a-wall-then-turn-around AI.

Jammer

The real problem with Babblers was that if the aliens DID get 3 hives in 1.0x, the game was already won. Babblers were nothing more than a fun little distraction for the game gorge (the only player who went gorge the entire time).

Disman

Ok this might be totally a retarted suggestion but I think it would be cool if perhaps gorges could release 1 babbler with 1 hive, 2 with 2 hives and, 3 with 3 hives. This would cut down on lag at least durring the begining of the game. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->

I have to admit I LOVE how they redid the gorge's abilities though. I like bile bomb. But for those folks who like babblers.... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Just a suggestion..... <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->

Geronimo

<!--QuoteBegin--StoatBringer+Sep 3 2003, 04:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (StoatBringer @ Sep 3 2003, 04:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Suggestion : bring babblers back, but make them high-speed, intelligent Onoses. That fly. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
no, that hovarz without flapping

Android

now imagine a onos, "flapping" with its legs...

Jaml

As someone suggested before why not give the fade the babblers instead of metabolize which is rather useless. Limit it to 3 whichbot like ai babblers/fade with the same stats as an unupgraded skulk only lower the damage they do. This would give the fade an indirect ranged attack at hive 2 and would suit his hit and run combat style. At the moment fades are almost useless since they are so weak that you can do the same job with a skulk and hes free. But imagine sending in 3 babblers first that draw the enemy fire and when their clips are empty you blink in and clean up. That would be so awesome.

PS: As for the waypoints for the ai i see no problem since they are available for the official maps and can be easily made for user maps. They could just put them into the ns installation file along with the maps. And since the server moves the bots probably they only need to put them in the server package. And i think it wouldn´t be much of a problem if a babbler gets stuck once in a while.

Teflon

<!--QuoteBegin--Jaml+Sep 3 2003, 12:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jaml @ Sep 3 2003, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As someone suggested before why not give the fade the babblers instead of metabolize which is rather useless. Limit it to 3 whichbot like ai babblers/fade with the same stats as an unupgraded skulk only lower the damage they do. This would give the fade an indirect ranged attack at hive 2 and would suit his hit and run combat style. At the moment fades are almost useless since they are so weak that you can do the same job with a skulk and hes free. But imagine sending in 3 babblers first that draw the enemy fire and when their clips are empty you blink in and clean up. That would be so awesome.

PS: As for the waypoints for the ai i see no problem since they are available for the official maps and can be easily made for user maps. They could just put them into the ns installation file along with the maps. And since the server moves the bots probably they only need to put them in the server package. And i think it wouldn´t be much of a problem if a babbler gets stuck once in a while. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Morph > Babblers > Rocks > Nothing > Metabolize

typicalskeleton

I never got a chance to see babblers in action. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

Hawkeye

It got to the point that a babbler kill was similar to a parasite kill in that it was so humiliating. You had to have been webbed, or low low health to die from babblers. What I loved to do though was to shoot out skulks every few seconds or so into marine base (I had o chambers all around, so they couldn't get rid of me). Then, if I saw a skulk, I wouldn't release any babblers. He'd go out, and he'd do some massive damage, because they thought he was another stupid babbler doing nothing. Surprise! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

Jaml

<!--QuoteBegin--Hawkeye+Sep 3 2003, 07:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Sep 3 2003, 07:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It got to the point that a babbler kill was similar to a parasite kill in that it was so humiliating. You had to have been webbed, or low low health to die from babblers. What I loved to do though was to shoot out skulks every few seconds or so into marine base (I had o chambers all around, so they couldn't get rid of me). Then, if I saw a skulk, I wouldn't release any babblers. He'd go out, and he'd do some massive damage, because they thought he was another stupid babbler doing nothing. Surprise! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah babbler kills were rare cause the babblers were much weaker than standard skulks. But if you got a kill it was a feeling like knifing an onos. Pure pwnage.

Jane

Yes babblers were (mostly) useful, cute, and fun, but bile bomb is such an incredibly useful thing for the gorge to have, I am not disappointed that they are gone.

battle gorge= cara/ adren = 150/125? something like that; Battle Gorge = teh win!

You can knock out rts in minutes, kill marines easily if they are in a group of two, or by them self, what more could you ask for? Gorges are awesome now!

Hawkeye

Yeah, I think gorges are waaaaaaaaayyy too strong to cost just 10 resources.
I know they don't want to raise the cost, because they are builders. Just nerf gorges a bit. They shouldn't be powerhouses with 3 hives. They should just be builders.