Natural Selection Of Ideas
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<div class="IPBDescription">The meme's struggle for survival</div> Though there's a bit of controversy about physical evolution , it can't be denied that ideas and concepts evolve , spread and die. There are (relatively) recent theories about their ways of spreading , highlighting their virus - like nature (they can't live on their own , they need hosts to survive and multiply) , as their relations with their "vehicles" (ourselves) are relevant of parasitism or symbiosis. Regardless of their content , memes are more or less virulent - they can be better accepted thanks to their "cultural shell" or spread faster by using modern communication tools.
<a href='http://www.cultsock.ndirect.co.uk/MUHome/cshtml/introductory/memes2.html' target='_blank'>Interesting read</a> about the memes and their horrible ways of infecting brains...
It is commonly accepted that people die fighting for greater ideals , do you think memes are superior beings disposing of our lowly human lives ? Or are they unreliable parasites that only brought pain to humankind so far ?
<a href='http://www.cultsock.ndirect.co.uk/MUHome/cshtml/introductory/memes2.html' target='_blank'>Interesting read</a> about the memes and their horrible ways of infecting brains...
It is commonly accepted that people die fighting for greater ideals , do you think memes are superior beings disposing of our lowly human lives ? Or are they unreliable parasites that only brought pain to humankind so far ?
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Article that obviously embraces Darwinism refuses to aknowledge the effect of darwinism on the worldview of the individual. If things were just a long string of freak occurrances, then all the good in the world isn't going to matter at all, so I might as well just kill myself now. I'd vernture to say that the lot of most people who embrace Darwinsim look at their efforts as a way of making things better for futire generations. However, if there is nothing more to life than a circular existance, what's the point? Why shouldn't I kill myself everytime something hard comes along, it's bound to happen anyway, right?
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Look at meme theory itself in terms of a meme.
efficiency parental mode: Check. I can easily see someone looking at meme theory as fact not wanting to marry, say, someone who wishes to embrace a silly guy called Christ as their savior. The idea is handed down.
proselytizing mode: Check. Science is based off of creating new hypothesis and testing them to replace old ideas until the best fit model is reached. Look at the development of the atom. If this idea sounds credible, it will no doubt be spread, and anyone who doesn't like it can easily be labeled as an ignoramous standing in the way of progress.
preservational mode: Check. Science begits new science.
adversative mode:
"The determination to believe all kinds of impossible and absurd things is probably none too healthy for the believer, but the display of 'belief plumage', the ostentatious flexing of the believing biceps attracts other believers in whom the virulence of the religion virus is increased. "
Check.
cognitive mode: Theory shows proof of itself, appears valid, and is accepted easily. Check.
motivational mode: Striving for scientific progress give sense of accomplishment and through accomplishment, meaning. Check. That's 6 of 7.
Why did I do that? that article applies meme theory to religon explaining why it spread. Meme theory applied to meme theory also explains why is spreads, not nescesarily because it's correct.
You assume that life actually has a point outside itself. Life exists to live. You exist to live and die, simply because that's the way things work. Your purpose is to become art of the chain of living and dieing. Why does life have to have a point? It's just an ordered system, cause and affect. You exist because your parents had you, it's just that simple. Do you think that simply because you exist you have to be destined for something better? Do you honestly think that humanity is so superior to the world around it?
If you were hanging onto a cliff, and beside you was hanging the last bengal tiger, and I could choose who to save - I'd save you anyday. I'd save you if the last breeding pair of every endangered species was hanging there and I could either save them or you. Perhaps demonstrating my point even better, I'd do it if it was Saddam instead of you. Now the eyebrows are raising.....
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Correct. And you assume that life has no point outside itself. Why does life need a point? Because I'd like to hope that all this misery and bs I go through is happening for a reason, and that reason better be better than "carrying on the species". You take away a point to life, and you take away hope. And people without hope have nothing.
w00t matrix quote - "Hope, simulatenously mans greatest weakness and mans greatest strength"
If you were hanging onto a cliff, and beside you was hanging the last bengal tiger, and I could choose who to save - I'd save you anyday. I'd save you if the last breeding pair of every endangered species was hanging there and I could either save them or you. Perhaps demonstrating my point even better, I'd do it if it was Saddam instead of you. Now the eyebrows are raising..... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If what you are saying is true and you aren't just exagerating, then you sir (and I don't mean this as an insult, just the truth), disgust me. What makes my life more valuable than any other creature's life? We're all basically the same. The same chemical procceses make us, the same chemical reactions power our brains, the same organic materials make up who we are. Besides the intengible quality of "sentience" (which many animals have been proven to have) there is no real difference. And if it were me, I'd let you fall since obviously you aren't having that much fun in life.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Correct. And you assume that life has no point outside itself. Why does life need a point? Because I'd like to hope that all this misery and bs I go through is happening for a reason, and that reason better be better than "carrying on the species". You take away a point to life, and you take away hope. And people without hope have nothing.
w00t matrix quote - "Hope, simulatenously mans greatest weakness and mans greatest strength"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can have hope, but hoping that when you die you'll be magically whisked off to land of happy things rainbows and butterflies is 1)stupid, and 2)self defeating. That attitude breads a "Well since I'll have an eternity to be happy I'll just let my life suck now" mentality. What you have to hope for is that you can make your life better now, because that's all you got. Live your life to it's greatest meaning. Just live. Have fun, make friends, be nice to people, make your life meaningful to yourself while you can. That is all the purpose I need.
And besides, the Matrix sucks. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you were hanging onto a cliff, and beside you was hanging the last bengal tiger, and I could choose who to save - I'd save you anyday. I'd save you if the last breeding pair of every endangered species was hanging there and I could either save them or you. Perhaps demonstrating my point even better, I'd do it if it was Saddam instead of you. Now the eyebrows are raising..... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If what you are saying is true and you aren't just exagerating, then you sir (and I don't mean this as an insult, just the truth), disgust me. What makes my life more valuable than any other creature's life? We're all basically the same. The same chemical procceses make us, the same chemical reactions power our brains, the same organic materials make up who we are. Besides the intengible quality of "sentience" (which many animals have been proven to have) there is no real difference. And if it were me, I'd let you fall since obviously you aren't having that much fun in life.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Correct. And you assume that life has no point outside itself. Why does life need a point? Because I'd like to hope that all this misery and bs I go through is happening for a reason, and that reason better be better than "carrying on the species". You take away a point to life, and you take away hope. And people without hope have nothing.
w00t matrix quote - "Hope, simulatenously mans greatest weakness and mans greatest strength"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can have hope, but hoping that when you die you'll be magically whisked off to land of happy things rainbows and butterflies is 1)stupid, and 2)self defeating. That attitude breads a "Well since I'll have an eternity to be happy I'll just let my life suck now" mentality. What you have to hope for is that you can make your life better now, because that's all you got. Live your life to it's greatest meaning. Just live. Have fun, make friends, be nice to people, make your life meaningful to yourself while you can. That is all the purpose I need.
And besides, the Matrix sucks. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Erm, why would that disgust you? Each species has an instinct to preserve its kind, and since we're "no different", then why should we denied that same instinct? In effect, you are placing a higher value on a species that no longer fills any niche in the environment (or a very small one) than on a human life. Why? Is an endangered species worth saving just because they're endangered? Why? You honestly can't argue that an endangered species is an important part of an ecosystem, because if they were they would not have any problem propagating. Is your personal belief that "no species should be left behind", to parallel Bush's "no child left behind"?
Well, if we fill no environmental niche, then by your logic we should all be killed. care to start the party?
*edit* Btw, there is a difference between self-preservation and preservation of its kind. For example, antelope move in herds, because it is easier to defend the young and large numbers can be intimidating towards predators. If an animal had only self-preservation instinct, it would move by itself and hide, which is much easier than by moving in a herd, where any single individual can be taken down but the rest of the animals are safe.
Well, if things go the way they are with us living as swollen ticks on the backside of the Earth, then we'll take care of it ourselves soon enough.
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*edit* Btw, there is a difference between self-preservation and preservation of its kind. For example, antelope move in herds, because it is easier to defend the young and large numbers can be intimidating towards predators. If an animal had only self-preservation instinct, it would move by itself and hide, which is much easier than by moving in a herd, where any single individual can be taken down but the rest of the animals are safe.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It is not easier or safer for an Antelope to travel alone, it leaves it undefended and very exposed as one antelope cannot look in 360 degrees. These animals don't have a species preservation instinct, they have a self/offspring preservation instinct that happens to be translated as a herd preservation instinct because that's the best way for it as an individual to survive. If an antelope saw another antelope falling off a cliif, it wouldn't life a finger to help it unless it were one of that antelope's kids.
When dolphins are hunting, they can use sonar to bounce off the school of fish. They then use thier hunting techniques in a team to drive the fish to the surface where they all get eaten. Surely it would be more beneficial to have the fish going alone - a dolphin trying to spot one fish in an ocean would be like you trying to find a needle in a cornfield, instead of a barn. If the fish finds food, it has all the food it wants without needing to share it.
Lets say you were driving down a country road, all of a sudden a cute little squrrel ran out infront of your car. You would swerve around it, but you would hit the motorcyclist coming the other way. You would slam your brakes on, but the car behind you would hit into you. what do you do? you avoid the motobike and the car and hit the squirrel.
NOOOOOO OMG! OMG! You just killed a squirrel. Now you are going to feel really bad, but atleast you aren't going to go to jail.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Life exists to live. You exist to live and die, simply because that's the way things work. Your purpose is to become art of the chain of living and dieing. Why does life have to have a point? It's just an ordered system, cause and affect.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does this mean that all ugly people should be terminated on sight, simply because they will never find someone to produce offspring with? Does this mean that we should go and and kill every singly homosexual, because they are never going to produce offspring? Does this mean that as soon as a woman reaches her menopause, we should kill her? she is never going to have any more babies. W£hat about men once they lose their sex-drive? They arent going to be having any more babies. This is a really good idea. We can cut down on over crowding, the government wont have to pay pensions, leaving them to spend more money on education.
Please tell me there is something inside you that doesnt agree with that. If there isnt, they you are the one who disgusts me
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Correct. And you assume that life has no point outside itself. Why does life need a point? Because I'd like to hope that all this misery and bs I go through is happening for a reason, and that reason better be better than "carrying on the species". You take away a point to life, and you take away hope. And people without hope have nothing.
w00t matrix quote - "Hope, simulatenously mans greatest weakness and mans greatest strength"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can have hope, but hoping that when you die you'll be magically whisked off to land of happy things rainbows and butterflies is 1)stupid, and 2)self defeating. That attitude breads a "Well since I'll have an eternity to be happy I'll just let my life suck now" mentality. What you have to hope for is that you can make your life better now, because that's all you got. Live your life to it's greatest meaning. Just live. Have fun, make friends, be nice to people, make your life meaningful to yourself while you can. That is all the purpose I need.
And besides, the Matrix sucks. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
THE MATRIX SUCKS? Alright thats it you would be plunging to your death while I get to cuddle the bengal <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'd get you first because I'm convinced that humans are the entire point to life, and I'm sure you would be nodding your head vigorously if the situation ever arose <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->. Religion would motivate me to save the human, in every situation. Perhaps this might make you feel better, if it was a choice between you and Boggle, I'd get you first. Or a choice between you and my mother/brother/sister/anyone of the same religion. Still you.
Hey, I'm having a ripper of a time. NS, freedom from parents, whining on forums, playing astrowars, working at a vet surgery, 512k unlimited adsl, HL2 is coming and an allpowerful being deeply and vitally interested in everything I do, and I dont even have to be worried about death or the afterlife. If I wasnt 6 foot 2 and 63kg life would be perfect.
Whose ever met a Christian slob who got that way because he decided that since eternity was gonna be happy he might as well do sod all now? Admittedly Christians seem to endure hardship better, but they dont just sit around all day. We are pretty much the largest charity in the world, massive effort is put into improving the life of the less fortunate. I have NEVER seen that attitude bred in any Christian before. It might seem like the logical conclusion, but it never plays out that way. In the Bible there is a story of Early Christians who gave up their jobs because they thought "Jesus will come back, so why work? Why not sit around, have a beer and wait." And I think it was Paul who ripped into them, get off your rears, and do all you can to help everyone else, spread the good news.
Christians believe God is lifes greatest meaning, and having lived for 18 years with them (thats right, I'm not a Christian), I can honestly say they are having a party. Im sure all of them would agree with "Have fun, make friends, be nice to people, make your life meaningful to yourself while you can"
They have two seperate fields of vision from memory, but it isn't a 360 degree view of the world. The only animal that truely manages that feat is a chameleon.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When dolphins are hunting, they can use sonar to bounce off the school of fish. They then use thier hunting techniques in a team to drive the fish to the surface where they all get eaten. Surely it would be more beneficial to have the fish going alone - a dolphin trying to spot one fish in an ocean would be like you trying to find a needle in a cornfield, instead of a barn. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not really, fish gather together in schools because although the chance of an attack increases, the chance of an attack on <i>any one individual</i> is MUCH lower. As such the selection for schooling (or herding) is very strong, because it increases the chances of individuals genes surviving (which is the ultimate point of natural selection).
Does this mean that all ugly people should be terminated on sight, simply because they will never find someone to produce offspring with? Does this mean that we should go and and kill every singly homosexual, because they are never going to produce offspring? Does this mean that as soon as a woman reaches her menopause, we should kill her? she is never going to have any more babies. W£hat about men once they lose their sex-drive? They arent going to be having any more babies. This is a really good idea. We can cut down on over crowding, the government wont have to pay pensions, leaving them to spend more money on education.
Please tell me there is something inside you that doesnt agree with that. If there isnt, they you are the one who disgusts me <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where in there do I say that the point of life is reproduction? I don't. When I say that you should become part of the chain of life, you can do that whithout ever having children. Every person you meet and talk to you affect in a way, you change them, you become part of their life, you enter another idea into their head, and they do the same to you. You affect them they affect you. They will eventually go on to affect many others, and you will do the same, but every person you meet will give you a new experience or a new idea. That is a chain of life, in a way. You don't have to pass on your seed for you to become a part of the chain.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Whose ever met a Christian slob who got that way because he decided that since eternity was gonna be happy he might as well do sod all now? Admittedly Christians seem to endure hardship better, but they dont just sit around all day. We are pretty much the largest charity in the world, massive effort is put into improving the life of the less fortunate. I have NEVER seen that attitude bred in any Christian before. It might seem like the logical conclusion, but it never plays out that way. In the Bible there is a story of Early Christians who gave up their jobs because they thought "Jesus will come back, so why work? Why not sit around, have a beer and wait." And I think it was Paul who ripped into them, get off your rears, and do all you can to help everyone else, spread the good news.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I see that attitude in nearly eveyr christian I know. When faced with any huge problem, such as the loss of a family member or any other huge struggle like that, instead of seaking inner peace, instead of coming to terms with things on their own, they ask god "Why?" They pray, they make their peace with god, not with themselves, because they truly believe that it iwll help them in the long run. My own mother is a great example of this, when she thought I was ****, instead of trying to accept it on her own, all she did wa pray about it, and lecture me about the morailty and religion of it. Frankly I think that any religion that could make a person act like this is horrible and deserves to have all traces of it wiped from the Earth so that it will stop inhibiting people from dealing with themselves.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If life is just life then what is the point of most of the stuff us humans do. Shouldn't we be content just eating, drinking, screwing, and sleeping? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd be pretty content if that's all I did.
In any case, memes could be viewed as merely a social concept that manifests itself in people's behaviour. The human brain is like a piece of software that can be changed and moderated quite liberally. A lower animal has a much more "hardwired" brain that leaves less room for strange ideas to evolve.
Meme is perhaps just an abstract describing the interesting, programmable aspect of the human brain. The human has some insticts which our mind can harness to a certain extent. It is why we are able to kill in a war, we focus our survival instincts toward special tasks. It is why people can become homosexual but animals dont seem to do that except in a few, few documented cases - we can decide to do things that defeats the purpose of procreation ,which is the reason for life - to create more life. In my opinion the meme theory is a conveinent way to put words on a special phenomenon that is the ability to observe and simulate behaviour in other people. If you think caerful about it, a meme works best if it "grown" in the right environment. You won't get a content middle aged man to start like the idea of bloody revolution tomorrow, for instance.
With age, our minds are less receptive to "memes" - we can perhaps grasp them but find them useless and are thus affected. I would not like, however, that we viewed memes as some sort of entity. Any idea if unrealised is just a thought. Also memes must some how be in accord with the situation the person is finding himself in, and for the meme to "infect" other persons, they must be in a similiar position. I agree upon the viral aspects of memes. And you could argue that virus is really sharing similarities with information. A virus is a sort of programmer that reprograms your cells, but there's no reason for it to exist except as being a carrier of information. The virus is the most strange of all biological phenomenons - perhaps because it's on the borderline between manifest reality and idea - or meme.
The really interesting part of it is, that a meme can become undone instantly, disintegrated if people forget it or chose to ignore it. That makes me reluctant to accept the meme as something that can undergo "natural selection". That is a concept bound to procreation, but a meme has no reason to be there, it's merely a pattern in behaviour that is a RESULT of humans being alive in the first place. I think the author of that meme article reaches that conclusion.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Steven Pinker argues that the idea of a parallelism between cultural and biological evolution is simply unacceptable since it is evident that a complex meme does not arise simply from the reproduction of random copying errors, but rather 'because some person knuckles down, racks his brain, musters his ingenuity, and composes or writes or paints something'.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Natural Selection is a natural proces of no consicousness, a emerging phenomenon. But no one knows where a meme comes from or why it would suddenly cease to exist. In fact, it didn't really exists, but some persons showed similiar behaviour - but were they really doing the same thing?
The reason may be similar to y people do not understand evolution.
a reason I would save an animal over a human would be if, that animal (those animals) are nearing the last of their kind and I don't particularly care for this human nor his brand of humanness ( not difficult to imagine happening ). I would not want to spend the rest of my life in a lifeless world with this dumass and his kind for company, leaving me bored and aggravated out of my mind. I'd rather make the world safe for my descendants and keep alive the beautiful things about it for them to enjoy into the future.
a) live as long as possible
b) pass on your genes
b') ensure that carrier of genes has the ability to continue passing
secondary:
a) preserve self, and all that resemble self
if the following were hanging on a cliff:
your mirror image
random guy who is not like you in any way
endangered animal that cannot fly/glide/land
personification of e=mc^2
you (most likely) would chose your mirror image, or
random guy, because he may be ble to help you later
endangered animal, because it may be able to protect you
e=mc^2 because you may be able to use it
though there is no reason to save your mirror image, other than you like your own
If you were hanging onto a cliff, and beside you was hanging the last bengal tiger, and I could choose who to save - I'd save you anyday. I'd save you if the last breeding pair of every endangered species was hanging there and I could either save them or you. Perhaps demonstrating my point even better, I'd do it if it was Saddam instead of you. Now the eyebrows are raising..... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If what you are saying is true and you aren't just exagerating, then you sir (and I don't mean this as an insult, just the truth), disgust me. What makes my life more valuable than any other creature's life? We're all basically the same. The same chemical procceses make us, the same chemical reactions power our brains, the same organic materials make up who we are. Besides the intengible quality of "sentience" (which many animals have been proven to have) there is no real difference. And if it were me, I'd let you fall since obviously you aren't having that much fun in life.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Correct. And you assume that life has no point outside itself. Why does life need a point? Because I'd like to hope that all this misery and bs I go through is happening for a reason, and that reason better be better than "carrying on the species". You take away a point to life, and you take away hope. And people without hope have nothing.
w00t matrix quote - "Hope, simulatenously mans greatest weakness and mans greatest strength"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can have hope, but hoping that when you die you'll be magically whisked off to land of happy things rainbows and butterflies is 1)stupid, and 2)self defeating. That attitude breads a "Well since I'll have an eternity to be happy I'll just let my life suck now" mentality. What you have to hope for is that you can make your life better now, because that's all you got. Live your life to it's greatest meaning. Just live. Have fun, make friends, be nice to people, make your life meaningful to yourself while you can. That is all the purpose I need.
And besides, the Matrix sucks. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That'd be very pointless in itself.
Why live your life happy? It's all temporary anyway, emotions and bonds, I and why only exist in your brain anyway <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
And dahm you Marine01 you just killed the eco system!