I Need A Little Help.
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<div class="IPBDescription">With homeschooling laws.</div> Hey guys,
My school year is starting again and I'm REALLY dreading it. For many reasons. The primary being that large crowds of people make me EXTREMELY nervous. (That seriously hurts my ability to learn.) Another is that the teachers rarely do a good job at what they do. Finally, I find it easier to work by myself. I've learned more on the Internet in 3 years than I have in my entire time in school. (I'm going in to grade 10.)
What I need from you guys is to find what the law is for homeschooling in Canada. Particularly Quebec. Also, if you could provide e-mail addresses for government employees who deal with homeschooling, it would be appreciated.
Comments like "Search for it yourself" will be ignored, I'm asking for additional help WHILE I search.
My school year is starting again and I'm REALLY dreading it. For many reasons. The primary being that large crowds of people make me EXTREMELY nervous. (That seriously hurts my ability to learn.) Another is that the teachers rarely do a good job at what they do. Finally, I find it easier to work by myself. I've learned more on the Internet in 3 years than I have in my entire time in school. (I'm going in to grade 10.)
What I need from you guys is to find what the law is for homeschooling in Canada. Particularly Quebec. Also, if you could provide e-mail addresses for government employees who deal with homeschooling, it would be appreciated.
Comments like "Search for it yourself" will be ignored, I'm asking for additional help WHILE I search.
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i have a nasty temper.. and i dont like being in large crowds either..
i just have one bit of aadvice
music!
no matter what you like
metal or hip-hop or whatever... i just listen to my minidisc at lunch i go to the gym and work outl.. then i go back and get my head down..
i get my head down and come home.. thats how i am gettign thru .. believe me everyone like us thinks it is just us.. a fair few people have it
<a href='http://www.gomilpitas.com/homeschooling/regional/Quebec.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.gomilpitas.com/homeschooling/re...onal/Quebec.htm</a>
btw, whats your parents take? They probably have to ok it.
oh, and just a quick look through
basicaly you or your parents are gone have to come up with an offical coriculum that you will folow
this also has to be aproved by the school board.
I tihnk this is much more of a local thing then a national one or anything else
so you have to find out who is in charge of your local school board.
But I more go with what WoLF said. Simply grin and bear it, Pick up reading is the one I suggest (I read ALOT of SF/Fantasy <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
Again, I am not somuch of a nonpeople person, however I too don't like large crowds (I tend to try and keep my interactions down to like 2-3 people at a time <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
As for the entire idea of Homeschool, I don't know I just don't like it. True yuo will learn more (if done properly) however your gona have like no friends (primarily b/c you wont have the key thing to share with them... school).
As much as you dislike people your gona need to deal with em.
So I meen it is up to you and your parents, but I would urge you to stick it out <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Thanks for the link Thansal. That helped a bunch.
.If you do get a homeschool curriculum, I would recommend going to the gym or something... It isnt healthy going without any form of activity all winter.
I had people problems <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> not so much as shyness.
more so as not shy enough. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
your thinking of home schooling?
i dont live in canada so i dont know what is differant there.
Hey there. Just wanted to put in a good note for Public High Schools (in the US and Germany). If you go to a somewhat large public school, chances are there will be people who share your views that also attend. Another important issue about high school is this is the time when most people start discovering things about themselves. For example, you saying you're not a people person, and that you work better alone. While those may or may not be entirely true, I spent many wasted hours doing "group" projects. Group projects to me (for the first 2 years of high school) meant dividing up the labor, me taking the lion's share so that I could guarantee a good grade, and us going our separate ways.
Group projects changed for me in my junior year. My teacher required us to do a video about a novel we had read over the year. I was grouped with people who I knew and got along with, and we worked our tailbones off. I wasn't in charge of the script, but everyone's say was factored in. We filmed some of the parts in smaller groups than the group itself, but we still coordinated activities to be the most time-efficient. I also got to make props, like a miniature house for us to burn, and some other very unique and creative camera angles to let us do scenes otherwise impossible. (We had a "dog chase" scene, where a Pound Puppy was tyed to fishing line and drug around the yard, done as a close-up of the Pound Puppy so that it looked like a field. Another highlight was a "cliff" scene we filmed just using the irrigation ditch behind one of the houses we worked at, using miniature models.. again). The amount of creative input we had, and how well we worked together wasn't a sign of how close a group of friends we were, it showed that we were willing to work towards a common goal, and that we wanted to give it our best shot. Not all group experiences will be like that, just like not all groupwork in the real world will be evenly divided. That's life, you can't escape that. I'm just saying you should reconsider this before you miss out on the opportunity for learning good groupwork skills young.
Second. People persons. You don't have to be a people person to go to High School. Most people will "clique" up, but that doesn't mean you have to. In my school a few band geeks and myself (being a bandgeek) formed our own click of "we hate the band, but we don't want to quit" that soon grew to the "Everyone who doesn't fit in a clique," A sort of Outcast group of people from the various parts of the school, be it drama, music, art, or even the hard sciences. I don't believe we had any football jocks, but that wasn't a big issue then or ever.
More on people. People suck. Deal with it. Some of these people you go to high school with won't live past 30, some won't ever get a job that pays more than 15 dollars/hour(Canadian), and some will go on to succeed. That's why public schools rule. You get thrown in and you learn to figure out what you're good at, what you look for in friends, and how to survive and comingle with others. These are all very important things to learn.
Something that worries me is your fear of groups of people. A little paranoia is a good thing, but if you actually are psychologically afraid of groups of more than 5-10-20 people, you should see a psychiatrist. That isn't healthy. Going to a public school might help you learn to cope or overcome your fear, but sometimes professional help is the most important thing to do.
I don't want you to make too hasty a decision. Public school has really helped me become the person I am today. It helped mold my opinions of others, taught me how to deal with those very different from myself, taught me how to get along with people who I probably used to despise or dislike. my grade 10 year was one of the worst years for me. I overcame depression, had and broke up with my first girlfriend, failed my first class (AP European History), and actually had to work in order to get good grades. I also felt I was growing apart from my friends (which I still am today, but that doesn't mean I can't be friends with them) so I felt isolated and alone. I would give public schools another chance, mate.
I'm serious about seeking professional help. If you can't go to the mall without feeling extreme discomfort, you might have a serious problem that needs looking at. I had a shrink, he didn't help any, but by seeing a shrink I helped myself so I wouldn't have to go back ever again. (ok that's a bad example, but I'm sure some shrinks are decent and useful human beings.)
There ARE other people that feel the same way you do, and I'll bet you can find quite a few at your school by itself. If you don't learn to cope with your nervousness now, or find out what's causing it, you're going to have trouble way past high school.
That's actually one of the only good things I got from high school (<i>aside from the diploma, I mean...</i>) - the jocks and 'cool kids' who constantly made my high school life hell are now the ones who bag my groceries, pump my gas, and sell theatre tickets to me.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not a vengeful person, but I still smile when I see how much better I turned out than the ones who had all the 'fun' during high school while I was studying to get high grades.
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Some people like public/private schooling. I hated it. My parents suggested home schooling, and I jumped at the chance. I was extremely shy, but I was born that way. I worked it out over the years. Now I'm one of the most outgoing workers in my retail department.
There are studies done by public schools that show that home schoolers are socially inept. There are also studies done by the Home School Legal Defense that show that colleges are more apt to accept homeschoolers based on their education alone. What does this suggest? That both methods of schooling can be effective, and that not all will agree on which is best. I prefer homeschooling, since I can get a customized education with one on one attention. Others like being more of a cog in the wheel, and enjoy having the large classrooms full of people.
I'm still a shy person. I like being alone. Then again, so do public and private schooled adults I know. Just realize that your choice to homeschool does not make you a social outcast. It <b>does</b> mean that public schools will not receive the tax money they normally would if you enrolled. You're gonna get flak for not going to a 'regular' school. If you can handle the snide remarks, then stick with it.
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you won't ever get through anywhere in life if you keep running like this.
hmm would have flamed but oh well like to be a law abiding citizen sometimes..
However...
I've been considering homeschool for... 3 years now, and I KNOW that I want it. About forming groups at school.. That's exactly what I <i>don't</i> want to do. I <u>want</u> to be by myself. I enjoy being by myself, and I don't like people, so it all works out. No about of psychiatric help will "fix" me, because I accept it as part of who I am. Once I need to get a job, I'll be able to deal with it. A job won't be so crowded. Between classes, in my school, there are ~2000 kids moving through the hallways. I can't deal with that. I can, however, deal with 5 to 10. If there are more than that, I can bear it.
It's not groups that I'm afraid of, or being a PART of a group. It's people in general. Being around people makes me nervous, and as I've said, I've accepted that as part of myself. What I need is to get out of high school, and study on my own. I'm already a social outcast, so it doesn't matter much to me. (Whenever in public, I stay as far away from others as I can, and never speak unless spoken to. When I speak, I give the shortest possible sentence.) Once I get a job, I can force myself to be more social there. High school, however, is too overwhelming. My school is bumbling with idiots. A workplace should have at least SOMEWHAT mature people.
To those saying "Deal with it": I've been TRYING to deal with it all my life. I finally FOUND a way to deal with it. To go away from those people. That's how I'm going to deal with people.
Anyway, this all seems like the ranting of a raving lunatic, but other than the problem I have, I'm a pretty normal person, so don't assume that I'm nuts.
Well...I had fun. Did lots of stupid stuff. Maintained a rather good GPA (I took 5 AP classes) and had a blast during senior year. And by stupid, I mean really stupid (but let's not go into that ^o^).
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I think you mean "peeing your pants". Not "creaming your pants". I hope I don't have to explain the difference.
Uh.....
Usually jobs require working and communicating with a large amount of people. True a job may not be so crowded but you'll still have the problem that you have currently. In fact in some ways it could get even worse. While there aren't as many people (Unless you work in an Office block) you cannot get away with not interacting with people at all. That gets you fired. Every job now requires some interaction with people. (Unless you go lone and work from home or something)
What you REALLY have to ask yourself before you think of anything is "Why am I so scared of people?" What is making you nervous about the people around you? So far you don't really have a reason to fear people. You may have accepted it but still you need to find out <b>WHY</b> to be honest if all your going to do is sit at home with no social life outside of the internet or the computer than there really is something very, very wrong with your state of mind, not to mention all the stuff your going to miss out on. School is a great time to do the type of crap that you'll never really do again. Going as far away from people is not a solution either. There will come a point in your life where you will need to get outside help and interact with people. One day, no matter how much you distance yourself from people fate/life/whatever will one day say "Here is a person, he has something you need talk to him." hell I was nervous much like you but soon after I've started work and had to talk with the people around me I've become much more confident.
I think TBH its not your afraid of people its that you have a low confidence (And I think IT and the Internet is likely to blame). Get out in the sunshine, find a hobby (even if it involves computers) you can do during the summer THAT INVOLVES INTERACTION WITH PEOPLE (Thats the important bit) and force yourself to talk to people using <b>long sentences</b> and see how you end up.
Its all too easy to write a few words on a computer but it is much harder to really talk to people. You might as well start now and get some practice in it before you're inevitably called upon to do it later in life.....
That's STILL not the only reason I want to homeschool. Another is that they're teaching me the same thing. Over and over. The same useless things. It's restricting me, and I <i>know</i> that I can learn more on my own than at any school. The only reason I'd even want to go to college is to get a diploma so I can be hired somewhere.
Also, I don't have low confidence. I explained the reason. Please stop trying to "diagnose" me, I know what's wrong and if I want to fix it, I can fix it. The point of this thread was to ask for information on homeschooling, not to let everyone play Dr. Psychiatrist on me.
I'm not trying to diagnose you here. You don't like crowds, you like your personal space. That's fine. No problem.
The problem is that it seems like you're using your dislike of crowds as an excuse to forgo developing social skills. You've got friends online, no problem, that's fine. But if you're using your online friends as a substitute to face to face communication, you're *always* going to have trouble - not just in school and college, but in the workplace and your private life in the future.
If you want to be homeschooled and have your reasons, more power to you. But don't use it as an excuse for not having to develop relationships away from the computer.