Too Long To Ha?

TastyTasty Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18988Members, Constellation
I tried Comming for the first time in a while last night, no one wanted to so I jumped in and started building upgrades. We had plenty of res, so I made the "upgrade" building and tried to make the Arms Lab. But, I needed an advanced armory first. Which seemed to take like a jillion years to build, plus the time to research HA, plus all of the res for the research buildings etc.

Then I finally understood why the Marines lose so much, and why when I play marines I spend the entire game running around with an LMG. If the marines could drop the Arms Lab at the beginning of a game, and start research right away I think the game would be completely balanced, and about 10X more fun.

Remember those 1.04 games where all the maries had jetpacks? and shotties? Wasn't that fun?

By the time marines get HA, the entire Alien team is Onos. Forget the tweaks just let the marines drop a lab like in 1.04 and we will get some serious fights.

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  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Remember those 1.04 games where all the maries had jetpacks? and shotties? Wasn't that fun?
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    no.
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Tasty+Aug 26 2003, 08:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tasty @ Aug 26 2003, 08:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I tried Comming for the first time in a while last night, no one wanted to so I jumped in and started building upgrades. We had plenty of res, so I made the "upgrade" building and tried to make the Arms Lab. But, I needed an advanced armory first. Which seemed to take like a jillion years to build, plus the time to research HA, plus all of the res for the research buildings etc.

    Then I finally understood why the Marines lose so much, and why when I play marines I spend the entire game running around with an LMG. If the marines could drop the Arms Lab at the beginning of a game, and start research right away I think the game would be completely balanced, and about 10X more fun.

    Remember those 1.04 games where all the maries had jetpacks? and shotties? Wasn't that fun?

    By the time marines get HA, the entire Alien team is Onos. Forget the tweaks just let the marines drop a lab like in 1.04 and we will get some serious fights. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That would seriously unbalance the game....

    I do fine...

    When they have onos we usually have some HA (Unless its that one guy on the server whos so good he get onos like 5 mins into the game)
  • WarfareWarfare Join Date: 2002-10-29 Member: 1697Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--h20+Aug 26 2003, 04:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (h20 @ Aug 26 2003, 04:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That would seriously unbalance the game....

    I do fine...

    When they have onos we usually have some HA (Unless its that one guy on the server whos so good he get onos like 5 mins into the game) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Huh? You talking about me?

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    Requiring Advanced Armory I don't mind, but I do agree that Advanced Armory does take a while, but you have to keep in mind that there are hives that take 3 minutes to build.
    Skulks against Heavy Machine guns are toast. Or cheese.
  • azumawarriorazumawarrior Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13393Members
    It requires an advanced armory for the prototype lab, but not an arm labs.
    I usually just start the upgrade the beginning of the game.
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    The tech tree can be very pricy, but 2.1 will make that alot easier due to lower costs on some things.
  • Trojan2Trojan2 Join Date: 2003-01-14 Member: 12290Members
    Cant say that I ever had this problem
    My marines are usaully out there killing skulksand making me res. Buildings dont take all that long to build And normally with a decent team Im giving out HA and shotties before there is more then one onos. By the time there getting two or three I normally have a train going.
  • GeronimoGeronimo Join Date: 2002-12-18 Member: 11056Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Trojan2+Aug 26 2003, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trojan2 @ Aug 26 2003, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cant say that I ever had this problem
    My marines are usaully out there killing skulksand making me res. Buildings dont take all that long to build And normally with a decent team Im giving out HA and shotties before there is more then one onos. By the time there getting two or three I normally have a train going. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The problem with the marine teams are just that the marines are usually the team with least skilled players, since everyone play marine for some reason...

    How often do you get a guy asking how t oevolve to onos compared to a guy asking how to buy weapons?

    N00bs play marine alot more than alien, thats why aliens win...
  • SoBe_DragonSoBe_Dragon Join Date: 2002-12-04 Member: 10465Members
    i personally dont like the fact that you need an advanced armory to get a proto lab...and the time it takes to get an advanced armory is very very long.
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    I agree that they should lower the time it takes to upgrade to an advacned armroy...

    Maybe they can make an exception? Maybe they can make it so that you could build a proto before you get adv. armory BUT only research jps? And the most powerfull weapon you can hand out without and adv. armory is a shotty so it wont be TERRIBLY unbalanced...

    So before a adv. armory maybe they should make it so you can build a proto but only research jps...
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    I think the time it takes to get HA (10 min on average for most pub game's I've seen) is completely fine.

    Usually by that time, the alien team is suffeciently prepared to handle them as long as they had their own share of res nodes.

    If you see onos come around the same time as HA, then you know you've got balance here.
  • MorrikMorrik Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8247Awaiting Authorization
    edited August 2003
    Upgrades are stressed at the beginning of the game now, as before in 1.04, you could pretty much get away without upgrades and still win the game due to strong seiges and jetpackin' shotties. Jetpacks have been nerfed in a way where you don't get as much juice as before and they're also much more expensive. You will probably see most games end up with Heavy Armors defeating a hive or just defending base (whichever comes first).

    Infanty Portal -> Armory -> Arms Lab
    20 Res -> 20 Res -> 20 Res

    Infanty Portal -> Armory -> Advanced Armory -> Prototype Lab -> Heavy Armor
    20 Res -> 20 Res -> 30 Res -> 40 Res -> 25 Res
  • n4s7yn4s7y Join Date: 2003-04-18 Member: 15627Members
    I highly suggest you spend a little more time comming and getting to know the system... For god's sake, at least realize that you CAN drop the arms lab at the beginning, you just need the proper resources.
  • Paranoia2MBParanoia2MB Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7832Members
    Probably a little bit off topic...but a guy mentioned about some people going onos in about 5 mins.

    I've played a few games (very few), where they got onos in about 2mins to 5 mins....umm...and i see ppl doing ...well i dont want to say what it is..but it was one of the pre1.04 exploits
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