Welder Or Knife?

Vri

<div class="IPBDescription">melee attacking</div> just so i know what to pull out when im out of ammo or attacking something defenseless, which does more damage? i checked the manual but it dont say for welder, thx

Wintermute1

If you have a welder, it replaces your knife unfortunately. This means you don't have any choice.

FYI The welder has a longer range, but I think it does less damage then the knife since 2.0

Vri

what version do you play? heh, 2.0 doesnt replace the knife, it replaces ur pistol only

kuperaye

welder always replaces yer pistols in any version

Vri

alrighty.. takes on my question anyone?

Sarisel

Knife is more powerful, but has a lower rate of fire than does the welder.
In other words, <i>if</i> you connect with the knife, you'll be taking out a whole chunk of flesh - about 1/3 of an unupgraded skulk's life. However, if you shoot with a welder - you do gradual damage, but you don't connect as obviously, so it takes longer to deal damage. Best thing about welder is that it is less noisy than the knife - so you can hear things around you when you attack buildings.

SavageX

I go with the knife. The knife does 30 points of damage (which is 3x more than lmg and 10 points more than the handgun) as opposed to the welder (which only does 5 points of damage). Sure, the knife is slower but I rather try to connect with that than go with the welder. I haven't seen many people pull off welder kills than knife kills so I definately go for the knife.

-- SavageX

Xiile

Welder - 4 Damage (Extremely Fast Damaging, I usually use it to take out RTs when i have it.)
Knife - 30 Damage (Slow but strong.)

Wintermute1

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Iced_Eagle

sometimes i do a mixture... its really hard and requires precise timing but when the skulk is jumping at you break out the welder if you have no LMG bullets left and than that should do good damage and when he gets close break out the knife... than rinse and repeat until he is dead......

edit: manual isn't updated for 2.0

Stakhanov

The question is : what destroys an alien RT faster ? The damage per second values are roughly the same , but one is slightly higher.
Welder kills are actually more likely , since HAs can shake off skulks once they emptied their HMG clips while still welding each other.

eaglec

For inanimates the welder is good. It is also good for skulks and gorges as it doesn't fling its target away after the hit. Unfortunately the welder takes a few seconds to 'arm' and by that time you should be dead so if your in a hurry flick out your knife its the easiest way to drop that skulk you just unloaded a clip into as you get an almost instant swing at him. If you're repairing buildings or welding heavies keep the welder out and flail it around a bit.

Something I noticed though is the welder seems tricky to 'hit' with at times. Skulks can sit on your face<b> inside</b> the fire arc it seems and you can be trying to weld a phase gate or command chair for ages with no effect <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

ElectricSheep

I used tp use welder to kill buildings but in 2.0 I've noticed welder does damage to RTs slower than the knife so I'd say knife is the best all around.

DiscoZombie

I agree with the previous poster -- if you time it, knife is still better vs. structures... which is sad, if you ask me -- speedier structure demolition should be one of the advantages of having a welder...

Haze

Always use your knife to destroy things. Welder is a second resort. The knife slashes fast enough that it will always do more damage than the welder, and you dont need to quietly destroy a structure -- The aliens are alerted whenever their structures are under attack. <i>Always</i> use your knife.

BlueNovember

I agree.

I did a test (I know it's sad, but obviously lots ov people are curious, so somone's gotta do it,) timing how long it took to destroy a hive with the welder and knife. (One at a time, obviously.)

The hive-heal thing makes the results a bit iffy, as the welder hurts constantly whilst the knife does not.

Still, with no weapon upgrades the knife was about 10 seconds quicker. I'll get the exact results later. Have to go dig...

Interestingly, as you increase the weapon levels the difference between knife and welder's time wobbles. This is probably to do with rounding-off after %age increases in weapon tech. As I said, will post exact figures on website and here soon.

HTH