Okay, Stop Your Whining
Xzilen
Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">and stop by my server</div> I'm sick of people crying about Aliens winning all the time, today, we've had a pretty much 50/50% win ratio, flat down the middile.
Stop by my server, you'll see a few marine victorys from Aliens f4ing because they just can't bear to loose, even when its not being dragged out, but for the most part, you get pretty even games. Just a warning, WORK AS A TEAM. Not everyone is allowed to save for onos, in fact, its highly discouraged at the start of the game and will get many people **** off at you.
Stop by my server, you'll see a few marine victorys from Aliens f4ing because they just can't bear to loose, even when its not being dragged out, but for the most part, you get pretty even games. Just a warning, WORK AS A TEAM. Not everyone is allowed to save for onos, in fact, its highly discouraged at the start of the game and will get many people **** off at you.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Listen guys, if you want to tell us that the game was fine on 2.0(referring primarily to those who are opposed to the entire concept of nerfing aliens) then provide facts. No, "Aliens only win 2/3 of the games on my pub server!" is not a valid argument. Look at clan scrims, ask around for opinions from some good clans who have done a lot of scrims with 2.0, provide some clan sources of any kind. If you want people(who don't already agree with you for the same poorly-supported reasons) to believe you, you have to provide credible sources; at least that way you sound respectable instead of just mouthing off about changes that you haven't played. <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=31&t=41193' target='_blank'>Flayra believes</a>, from actually looking at games and game stats and not just from wild speculation, that aliens have a huge advantage in clan games. These are games where the "once people learn to play properly" criteria has already been met, and thus is obviously the best choice for judging balance. And very few people will deny that aliens win the majority of the pub games too. I'm not trying to act the fanboy here, but Flayra knows what he's doing when he tries to fix the obvious balance problems with 2.0(and, by the way, this whole patch is still something of an experiment to find a good balance; that's why it's beta).
Flayra knows what he's talking about here, and it's extremely presumptuous of you to call him flat out wrong when you haven't gone anywhere near the lengths he has to prove it. The fact is that in games where both teams know very well what they are doing and are properly organized, aliens dominate. If you can provide me with some meaningful scrim statistics that show the opposite I will be more than happy to acknowledge them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The wins on a single pub server are completely meaningless. It sounds like your server has a skill imbalance between marines and aliens, i.e. more skilled marines/comms and not as many good aliens. One server having even results for one reason or another does not mean 2.0 is balanced.
Its hard, Marines MUST work as a team, and that still only gives them 60% chance of winning, but they are SUPPOSED to work as a team. FFS, I'll be on later tonight, I'll comm some more victorys with ease.
That isn't arrogance, thats just the truth.
Welcome to the wonderful world of statistics, where anything can be modified to tell you anything. Over the last two days, I've seen 100% marine wins (I've played one game with horribly imbalanced teams, skillwise). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it's just a plug for his server.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Listen guys, if you want to tell us that the game was fine on 2.0(referring primarily to those who are opposed to the entire concept of nerfing aliens) then provide facts. No, "Aliens only win 2/3 of the games on my pub server!" is not a valid argument. Look at clan scrims, ask around for opinions from some good clans who have done a lot of scrims with 2.0, provide some clan sources of any kind. If you want people(who don't already agree with you for the same poorly-supported reasons) to believe you, you have to provide credible sources; at least that way you sound respectable instead of just mouthing off about changes that you haven't played. <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=31&t=41193' target='_blank'>Flayra believes</a>, from actually looking at games and game stats and not just from wild speculation, that aliens have a huge advantage in clan games. These are games where the "once people learn to play properly" criteria has already been met, and thus is obviously the best choice for judging balance. And very few people will deny that aliens win the majority of the pub games too. I'm not trying to act the fanboy here, but Flayra knows what he's doing when he tries to fix the obvious balance problems with 2.0(and, by the way, this whole patch is still something of an experiment to find a good balance; that's why it's beta).
Flayra knows what he's talking about here, and it's extremely presumptuous of you to call him flat out wrong when you haven't gone anywhere near the lengths he has to prove it. The fact is that in games where both teams know very well what they are doing and are properly organized, aliens dominate. If you can provide me with some meaningful scrim statistics that show the opposite I will be more than happy to acknowledge them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The wins on a single pub server are completely meaningless. It sounds like your server has a skill imbalance between marines and aliens, i.e. more skilled marines/comms and not as many good aliens. One server having even results for one reason or another does not mean 2.0 is balanced. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, show us the actual statistics for that. Many clanners I've played with are fine with it. And its odd, because the teams we're actually stacked in Alien favor :-\
GIVE IT SOME MORE TIME PEOPLE. FFS this is pathetic. THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN 1.0's RELEASE! Aliens would win a bunch of the times, and people cried saying Marines we're over powered *sighs* Then look what happened, 1.4.
ARGH!
Seeing as how they got 5 res nodes at the start, I wouldn't say thats too shabby.
Welcome to the wonderful world of statistics, where anything can be modified to tell you anything. Over the last two days, I've seen 100% marine wins (I've played one game with horribly imbalanced teams, skillwise). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think it's just a plug for his server. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, because I'm flat out sick of people like you crying about marines not winning anymore.
Try unorthdox tactics, do something new, IT IS NOT THAT HARD.
That tactic is common knowledge now. I'm talking about the rest of the game; sometimes I see the majority of the team gorge to drop a node in the beginning, and then they all go skulk and nobody wants to gorge anymore. Teamwork is almost as important to aliens as it is to marines; of course a coordinated marine team can win against a bunch of rambos. Perhaps you don't play aliens very often, but it's incredible to me that you actually believe that the skill(or lack thereof) of the alien team has no impact on the result of the game. Many servers have more regulars that are strong on one team than the other, and so the wins tend to be slanted towards that side. Surely you knew that?
That's why the "evidence" you can take from a single pub server is irrelevant. Show us some statistics from experienced clan scrims that actually support your stance and I'll take your opinion more seriously.
Try unorthdox tactics, do something new, IT IS NOT THAT HARD. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, sorry, I must have forgot my, "MARINES SUCK!" post. I like playing with on marines, if they have a good commander then it's fun.
People are entitled to post their opinions, just as you're entitled to post this. Infact, I'm sick of this type of post, there's too many of them and when you've read one you've read them all.
It seems to me you'd rather argue than discuss your opinion.
I already expressed my opinion, I don't feel like restating it.
Teamwork means a gorge and/or a lerk always going with an Onos to heal/Umbra it, teamwork means coordinated attacks not only against 1 base but against 2, marines can only handle 1 problem at a time and if the aliens are able to coordinate to attack 2 bases at the same time, one of those bases will be leveled unless it's an uber mass of turret farms.
And lets see your actual statistics on that.
You lay claim to it, but I see no proof.
Find me a single clan member who complains about game balance in compitition play? I've talked to many, and they say it is actually very even.
Nuff' said. Tis the players
This is false, you are either a liar or a fool. Which is it?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Find me a single clan member who complains about game balance in compitition play?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah... alot of clan members are actually beta testing in hopes of a more balanced version.
Do you honestly think that clan members don't complain when aliens are winning 9 out of 10 clan matches?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I've talked to many, and they say it is actually very even.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Once again either your a liar or your a fool and you were duped into somehow thinking that the "many" people you spoke with were clan members when they were not.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nuff' said. Tis the players<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nuff said is <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=31&t=41193' target='_blank'>RIGHT!!</a>
Try unorthdox tactics, do something new, IT IS NOT THAT HARD. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, sorry, I must have forgot my, "MARINES SUCK!" post. I like playing with on marines, if they have a good commander then it's fun.
People are entitled to post their opinions, just as you're entitled to post this. Infact, I'm sick of this type of post, there's too many of them and when you've read one you've read them all.
It seems to me you'd rather argue than discuss your opinion. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
He wouldn't have to argue if an argument hadn't been brought to him....
Obviously you were not one of the "many" he spoke to.
Question: many=zero?
2.0 is good when thers that 1.team = 50% of regs and 50% of noobs 2.team = 50% of regs and 50% of noobs.
Team staking is the most bigest problem there is, not the power ration of aliens and marines!
You mean the marines get totaly roxed don't you?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When you watch a clan game and watch skulks just owning marines all game every game, there is definitely something wrong. Posting "OMG Flayz0r is listening to the winers give it a couple weeks" is not only totally useless feedback, it's irritating. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Above quote is taken from <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=31&t=41193' target='_blank'>here</a>.
Blargh, I made sure the ban list was cleared with the release of 2.0, and I even cleared you before <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Yeah, it really helps to have a few marines who are willing to do the gruntwork, like baseguard, hiveguard.. and allowing me to send the rest to expand. Fairly decent pub, from what I saw.. Not the best, but definitely not the worst!
while I was there.. I think aliens won 4-5, marines won 1. My first comm victory, as well.
i think i played with you im the **** admin who kicks dumbasses =P
Exactly, Pubbers, 1.
Fanbois, -199343245345
Despite that I still believe Flay knows what he's doing. Initially I thought the game was perfectly balanced but as I play more and more I can see the little niggles. Its been quoted before. He watches the matches, he notices the problems. And from the output I see, I have more than enough belief that Flay is watching good clans go at it hammer and tongs.
I dunno if that makes me a fanboy or not, but I have to say I chalk up a lot of marine wins to bad Kharaa teamplay (I've seen it) or COMPLACENCY, where Kharaa build no OCs and just invite a shotty rush.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Listen guys, if you want to tell us that the game was fine on 2.0(referring primarily to those who are opposed to the entire concept of nerfing aliens) then provide facts. No, "Aliens only win 2/3 of the games on my pub server!" is not a valid argument. Look at clan scrims, ask around for opinions from some good clans who have done a lot of scrims with 2.0, provide some clan sources of any kind. If you want people(who don't already agree with you for the same poorly-supported reasons) to believe you, you have to provide credible sources; at least that way you sound respectable instead of just mouthing off about changes that you haven't played. <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=31&t=41193' target='_blank'>Flayra believes</a>, from actually looking at games and game stats and not just from wild speculation, that aliens have a huge advantage in clan games. These are games where the "once people learn to play properly" criteria has already been met, and thus is obviously the best choice for judging balance. And very few people will deny that aliens win the majority of the pub games too. I'm not trying to act the fanboy here, but Flayra knows what he's doing when he tries to fix the obvious balance problems with 2.0(and, by the way, this whole patch is still something of an experiment to find a good balance; that's why it's beta).
Flayra knows what he's talking about here, and it's extremely presumptuous of you to call him flat out wrong when you haven't gone anywhere near the lengths he has to prove it. The fact is that in games where both teams know very well what they are doing and are properly organized, aliens dominate. If you can provide me with some meaningful scrim statistics that show the opposite I will be more than happy to acknowledge them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The wins on a single pub server are completely meaningless. It sounds like your server has a skill imbalance between marines and aliens, i.e. more skilled marines/comms and not as many good aliens. One server having even results for one reason or another does not mean 2.0 is balanced. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, show us the actual statistics for that. Many clanners I've played with are fine with it. And its odd, because the teams we're actually stacked in Alien favor :-\
GIVE IT SOME MORE TIME PEOPLE. FFS this is pathetic. THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN 1.0's RELEASE! Aliens would win a bunch of the times, and people cried saying Marines we're over powered *sighs* Then look what happened, 1.4.
ARGH! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really now? What clans <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->. I would be very interested to scrim them and see what kind of strategys they use.
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If you want to scrim join #er @ gamesnet to set one up. Or aim: moo5003 for your irc so I can go there either/or your preference.
Ps: Hi pjofsky!