The Attitude Of Some People

RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
<div class="IPBDescription">With regards to Constellation</div> Playing a few days ago I hopped onto my regular server to find that they'd finally enabled Constellation/dev/pt/veteran icons. Yay! Anyways I was playing as usual when I started to get bombarded with questions about the little blue thing next to my name. A few binds later and I was answering questions with the flick of a key, and whilst most people said variations of "cool" "nice work", a few were downright nasty. They said that I had been ripped off, that NS wasn't worth a dime, and when I told them that the developers needed every penny they could scrounge they laughed at me and said they were "taking me for a ride" so to speak, and that the whole Constellation program was a scam to get money from players.

To anyone out there who thinks such things, how dare you. You are playing a game for free, one that is argueably better than most games on the retail market. You are playing a game in which Flayra and the developers have invested <i>thousands</i> of dollars into. I asked about the voices in NS a while back, and I found out that Flayra spent ten thousand dollars on professional voice acters and studios. To even think that people who would do such things for us are out to scam a quick buck is unexcusable.

If any moderators on servers ever see people making such comments, I don't think it would be unresonable to ban them. If they think that Flayra, Max, Monse and everyone else who contributed to this fantastic game were just out to scam us then they don't deserve to play the game.

These comments are not directed at the bulk of the community naturally. It may be that what I saw was a freak incident. Nevertheless I found it appaling that anyone could make such a statement whilst playing a game for free.
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  • SemperFi1SemperFi1 Join Date: 2003-02-14 Member: 13559Members
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  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    If they think so they shouldn't be playing in the first place

    Constellation is a fund to help develop the game even further,if it weren't for it then 2.0 wouldnt be released at this time,or even at all.You would have to be happy to have played a game for free,you only donate IF YOU WANT TO.The NS team is not forcing you to pay to play.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    Exactly. I didn't have to donate, but by god I think NS is worth at least as much as any other retail game out there. So I chose to give something to help alleviate the vast funds the devs expended making this game. For people to see that as me being sucked in by some sort of scam makes me angry. Real angry <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Kid-AKid-A Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10908Members
    Something that is entirely voluntary <b>can't</b> be ripping you off by definition....

    If not there's alot of rip-off charities!

    Damn that oxfam donation, they ripped me off! I put money in the donation box I what did I get? Not even a sign next to my name!
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Blegh. Just understand that they are a self-serving individual. Understanding and having the will to give puts you leagues above such individuals. At least, in regards to respect.
  • matsomatso Master of Patches Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7000Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Squad Five Gold, Reinforced - Shadow, NS2 Community Developer
    To me, the actual cost per hour of NS is now somewhere between a dime and a cent and still falling ... pretty cheap for this good an entertainment, I'd say...
  • CronosCronos Join Date: 2002-10-18 Member: 1542Members
    I think I saw a few of those comments ryo.

    It all boils down to a bad attitude in general. Next time they say something like that simply ask them if they paid any money and if they say no then ask them what they are bitching about. You donated, as a token of appreciation, the devs enabled an icon near your name.

    It's a combination of contempt, jealousy and all around bad attitude. Dont concern yourself with such individuals <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    Ryo
    I know what your talking about, I have also had run ins with these jerks.
    Saying things like
    "Ignor that Constellation guy hes just a sucker!"
    and other crap.
    Its not needed or welcomed.
    Most ppl are happy to see constellation members on the server playing.
    Its the ignorate types who don't know any better!
    Some ppl can't undersrtand exactly how important the donation are to Charlie!

    Help Keep NS alive, Donate!
    You can play for free, but why not show that you would buy this game if it wasn't!
  • DoombringerDoombringer Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8679Members, Constellation
    Yeah, thankfully I haven't come across this yet. A few folks have asked what the symbol means, and most have replied with "oh" or "that's cool". Constellation isn't a way of sucking up to the devs.. there are no secret powers. It's just a way to appreciate the project in ways other than "best mod EVAR!"
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    I'll admit, I look at people who have donated abit differently than ordinary people in a good way <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • EplekongenEplekongen Join Date: 2002-11-16 Member: 8915Members
    constallation is also fot those of you that feel that they should pay something for the game. Not nessesarily to support the developers, but to pay out.
  • JaneJane Seriously&#33;? Join Date: 2003-07-01 Member: 17835Members, Constellation
    I've been really discouraged with people's attitudes in general, I almost bound "grumpiness, another unfortunate side effect of hunger," just because I've typed it so many times, why such bad attitudes guys? As for nagging on Constellation members, I am just utterly shocked <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->, that's such crap! I can't believe people would be so rude. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> That is really upsetting, sorry guys.

    --Jane
  • FieariFieari Join Date: 2002-10-22 Member: 1566Members, Constellation
    Yeah, I've gotten a few of the "Sucker" comments directed towards me, but then, I haven't been giving the best explanation of my icon. "I gave Flayra $20" kinda sounds like it was a bribe to get an icon, rather than a donation to make sure NS keeps being made... I need a better thing to tell people when they ask what my icon means.

    Ryo, what bind do you use?
  • Robert_PaulsonRobert_Paulson Join Date: 2003-07-29 Member: 18543Members
    bind x "I donated money to the development of this game, so please bow down and kiss my arse, or I will ban you from all of NS by calling Flayra personally and have him remove your WON from the NS play list!"

    ...er maybe not...something a bit better!

    bind x "I donated money to the NS team for continued development of this game. It was worth every penny!"


    Of course your own personalized message would probably be better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ryo, what bind do you use?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I have 2 binds, one on "o" and one on "p". I fire them off one after another:

    o: "The icon next to my name is a Constellation icon. I means I donated money to the NS development team"
    p: "Find out more at www.natural-selection.org"

    I find that it generally gets the job done: people want to know what the icon is. I put the second bind in because anything I can do to help the devs get some more support I believe is good. Already a few people I've spoken to in game have expressed interest in donating some funds. I do get asked a lot about the amount I donated. Personally I don't think it matters: the fact that you gave is what's important. I mean I don't say to someone who donates to Oxfam: hey how much did you give? Hence I try to ignore such requests <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    I ran into one of those people once. I wasn't defending myself, but someone else (I intend to donate a quick 20$ when the money comes), but someone else, and he said things like, "you have been ripped off" and stuff. Yeah sure, it's a free game, for THEM, how much have the dev team spent on this stuff?
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Being flamed for contributing? Thats a massive kick in the teeth.

    Hopefully you'll meet one of these people in a LAN, so you can calmly walk over and <b>reeducate</b> them.
  • p4Samwisep4Samwise Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10831Members
    Under six cents and hour and dropping steadily. I might have to go donate again. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Yeah, I've encountered some of the Constellation-haters myself. Needless to say, if I see people dissing Constellation and/or the NS team on my server, they will be admin_llama'd without warning.
  • NefilimNefilim Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19222Members, Constellation
    I wonder how many Constellation-haters are playing on their daddy's checkbook and really don't appreciate anything given to them.
  • Minstrel_KnightMinstrel_Knight The truth and nothing but the truth... Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9562Banned
    More likely they are disgruntled at the balance or are new to 2.0 and just plain dislike the mod.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Aug 21 2003, 02:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Aug 21 2003, 02:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Playing a few days ago I hopped onto my regular server to find that they'd finally enabled Constellation/dev/pt/veteran icons. Yay! Anyways I was playing as usual when I started to get bombarded with questions about the little blue thing next to my name. A few binds later and I was answering questions with the flick of a key, and whilst most people said variations of "cool" "nice work", a few were downright nasty. They said that I had been ripped off, that NS wasn't worth a dime, and when I told them that the developers needed every penny they could scrounge they laughed at me and said they were "taking me for a ride" so to speak, and that the whole Constellation program was a scam to get money from players.

    To anyone out there who thinks such things, how dare you. You are playing a game for free, one that is argueably better than most games on the retail market. You are playing a game in which Flayra and the developers have invested <i>thousands</i> of dollars into. I asked about the voices in NS a while back, and I found out that Flayra spent ten thousand dollars on professional voice acters and studios. To even think that people who would do such things for us are out to scam a quick buck is unexcusable.

    If any moderators on servers ever see people making such comments, I don't think it would be unresonable to ban them. If they think that Flayra, Max, Monse and everyone else who contributed to this fantastic game were just out to scam us then they don't deserve to play the game.

    These comments are not directed at the bulk of the community naturally. It may be that what I saw was a freak incident. Nevertheless I found it appaling that anyone could make such a statement whilst playing a game for free. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I agree that its kind of you guys to donate, and I would to if I werent starting college....If i get some extra money I will to. On the other hand Ive seen some constellation people thinking that little icon is a right of respect. Some, meaning the two ive seen doing it, demanded special treatment and that they were better because of it. I don't like that either.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Necrosis+Aug 21 2003, 08:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Aug 21 2003, 08:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Being flamed for contributing? Thats a massive kick in the teeth.

    Hopefully you'll meet one of these people in a LAN, so you can calmly walk over and <b>reeducate</b> them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Then your just as bad as the people doing the flaming...
  • CEldinCEldin Join Date: 2002-09-16 Member: 1323Members
    But it would feel good to ACTUALLY kick them in the teeth....
  • NefilimNefilim Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19222Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 21 2003, 10:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 21 2003, 10:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Necrosis+Aug 21 2003, 08:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Aug 21 2003, 08:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Being flamed for contributing? Thats a massive kick in the teeth.

    Hopefully you'll meet one of these people in a LAN, so you can calmly walk over and <b>reeducate</b> them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Then your just as bad as the people doing the flaming... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Most internet flamers need a good boot in the ****. They insult others because they know no harm will come to them and that they can boost their egoes at the expense of others. People like this really -do- need some physical punishment.
  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    edited August 2003
    When it comes to torture methods,count on me!

    I know many ways to torture a person <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> but of course there's the possibilty of death :\

    I'm also willing to donate,not just for the flashy icon but for the development of the game <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
    EDIT : Sadly,I'm one of those really poor people :\
  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    Actually I think they need nurture form their friends and family. People who use the anonymity of internet to spout abuse just show that they are weak and have issues IRL. They need your help and love! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Iced_EagleIced_Eagle Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
    man that really sux.... its funny you have them set to binds tho <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> since i unfortunately unfortuantely unfortuantely am not a constellation member and they ask bout the blue icon i say "he is sooo cooollll i wanna huggle him!!!11" than people realize he is special <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    edited August 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->CommunistWithAGun Posted on Aug 22 2003, 04:11 AM
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    QUOTE (Necrosis @ Aug 21 2003, 08:27 PM)
    Being flamed for contributing? Thats a massive kick in the teeth.

    Hopefully you'll meet one of these people in a LAN, so you can calmly walk over and reeducate them. 

    Then your just as bad as the people doing the flaming... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Bad is good baby! Down with the government! I am the Evil Midnight Skulkbomber!

    Besides, its only <b>reeducation</b>, not like I said break their fingers and toes until they acknowledge the error of their ways...

    *innocent face*
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->On the other hand Ive seen some constellation people thinking that little icon is a right of respect. Some, meaning the two ive seen doing it, demanded special treatment and that they were better because of it. I don't like that either.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Can't say I've seen that, but I can understand how it could come about. I don't brag about the icon or boast or even act like a llama with my defense being "I paid for the game". But I am proud to show my support for the NS team. If I ever see such people abusing their Constellation icon I'll certainly have a few words with them. Thankfully it's something I havn't encountered yet.
  • mitchellmitchell Join Date: 2003-07-16 Member: 18217Members
    most the people who say that the constellation is a waste of money are probably playing through CS retail.
    if i could be botherd to sort out PayPal i'd give a donation, this game is by far one of the best mods i've ever seen on the HL engine, as i'm sure many will agree.
    *end*
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