Too Many People Getting Bored

CaLFiNCaLFiN Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6909Members
<div class="IPBDescription">or saying they are leaving</div> Over the past week or so I've heard/seen quite a few people saying they are bored with 2.0 and quite a few saying they are quitting... It's kinda worrying that people are saying this after a few weeks of release... I don't think 2.0 is that bad but I guess it's kinda disheartening for marine lovers.

This is not what I think of 2.0, it's just something I've noticed and would like to discuss. I wouldn't like to see some good commanders leave because they can't make their team win.

(I know I've used marines here, this is not my view, it's the people who are bored/quitting saying it.)

Roll on 2.1.

Comments

  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    A quick 2.01b with tweaks (such as hive cost) 'oughta bring them back. It's just because of the endless turret farming, probably, and other needless end-game prolonging "tactics".
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    My guess is that one of the upcoming 2.x's is gonna balance out the game (more or less), making it more fun for both sides. I think a lot of those that are leaving now will be back in a month or two, "just for a last game before I deinstall it", and then fall in love with the game anew.
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    Yeah, the people that are leaving are the people that expect AWPs or something, we're actually cleansing it! Only those faithful to NS will stay! KALZIGUT!

    Anyways, it is unfortunate that most of the newbies have left, they are the people that could turn Veteran some day.
  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Aug 20 2003, 06:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Aug 20 2003, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My guess is that one of the upcoming 2.x's is gonna balance out the game (more or less), making it more fun for both sides. I think a lot of those that are leaving now will be back in a month or two, "just for a last game before I deinstall it", and then fall in love with the game anew. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've been through this cycle several times.
  • elimelim Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9006Members, Constellation
    Adjusting takes time, people will come to love NS once again <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CaLFiNCaLFiN Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6909Members
    Leaving NS is the extreme (maybe new players do it more than older NS players.) But there's still a large majority of older NS players saying they are bored.
  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation
    I don't see any reason to be bored more with 2.0 than 1.04. So maybe the older players are finally coming to the stage where they want to move on to other games. Played NS too much, now go play something new.. that sort of thing.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    I'll have to admit it, I'm slightly bored. I'm aliens exclusive. Have always been. I can't seem to hit those dastardly critters no matter how hard I try, so I'm worthless as a marine. In 1.04, aliens had a purpose. You EXPECTED a loss, and you were thrilled when you could finally acidspam those marines into their well-deserved early grave. If you lost (as you did every-so-often), you accepted it as the natural order of things (or made a remark as to the lameness of the jp), shrugged and moved on. Nowadays the aliens EXPECT to win, and get angry at each other if they don't. Maybe I should make it a point to play marines a bit more?
    Maybe... *gasp* I should even learn to comm??
  • CaLFiNCaLFiN Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6909Members
    I don't know if this is related, but the forums seem a bit quieter than usual <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I think a major problem is that people are having too many bad games in a row, but don't want to leave NS and get bored.
  • elimelim Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9006Members, Constellation
    Don't worry they wont leave. They'll go play another game and be like, hmm, wow. NS NS GO GO! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Pjofsky+Aug 20 2003, 06:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pjofsky @ Aug 20 2003, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah, the people that are leaving are the people that expect AWPs or something, we're actually cleansing it! Only those faithful to NS will stay! KALZIGUT!

    Anyways, it is unfortunate that most of the newbies have left, they are the people that could turn Veteran some day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't like CS
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    So they quit. So what? 10 people for every 1000 playing? Flay cant release patches every month.
  • CaLFiNCaLFiN Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6909Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--MrMojo+Aug 20 2003, 07:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrMojo @ Aug 20 2003, 07:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So they quit. So what? 10 people for every 1000 playing? Flay cant release patches every month. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hmmm... Made up statistics don't prove a point...

    I like to play NS with my friends, because it helps teamplay. If my friends get bored of NS then I probably won't play as much. This is happening to me already.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    Really, what can we say? 2.1 will make it better. If it wont...well..then nothing.
  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation
    There is no solution to the problem. It is up to the people to decide whether or not to stay.
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Pjofsky+Aug 20 2003, 06:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pjofsky @ Aug 20 2003, 06:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A quick 2.01b with tweaks (such as hive cost) 'oughta bring them back. It's just because of the endless turret farming, probably, and other needless end-game prolonging "tactics". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Agreed, except I think 2.0 is pretty much fine, just not the drag out crap.
  • VidaL-lifeVidaL-life Join Date: 2003-06-26 Member: 17712Members
    No way, ive started playing more now in 2.0 than i did in 1.0
  • th0r0nth0r0n Born again n00b Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17313Members
    I'm not leaving NS, however I would like to see something "new" rather than "revamped".. Like a new marine tech, new lifeform or something like that. 2.0 was released to fix major bugs and reverse the stagnation that was happening with 1.04, I don't think it can be remedied with some bugfixes and gameplay changes.
  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    For me the long wait between *knowing* you're gonna lose and actually *losing* is what makes it boring.
  • monkeymastermonkeymaster Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13771Members
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    you cant get bored of something when its only been out for 3 or 4 weeks... if your bored with it, u must be a spoilt brat, go play doom or something.
  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    Hey, I just installed Praetorians and was bored after 20 minutes, so it is perfectly possible. If you can't be bored within 3 or 4 weeks you have no imagination.
  • monkeymastermonkeymaster Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13771Members
    negative. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • nthingnthing Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3091Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Stoneburg+Aug 21 2003, 04:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ Aug 21 2003, 04:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For me the long wait between *knowing* you're gonna lose and actually *losing* is what makes it boring. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Good point. Usually you can give a pretty accurate guess as to who is going to win as soon as the match starts. Once you see the quality of your teammates (even on aliens) and/or comm, you can pretty much tell whether you're going to win or lose. Once you notice how little of your teams resource towers are going up, and how many the opposite team are capping, you can tell what the outcome of the game is going to be. This also gives you an inclination as to how exciting or boring the following game is going to be.

    Unfortunatley, marines start too often with either no comm or a crap comm, and therefore is incredibly boring to play when you know right at the start that you're going to lose. If the game starts, however, and a guy runs right for the chair, hops in, assigns a bunch of squads and starts giving out waypoints and voice orders, you know it's going to be pretty fun game, only problem is that is it just doesn't happen often enough on the pubs.
  • loofboteloofbote Join Date: 2002-07-15 Member: 948Members
    hey i still love ns! infact i only got bored with 1.04 like 4 months before 2.0 was released and i started playing it again a month before 2.0's release <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->. I got really frustrated with my 2.0 games but then i had some fun once i learned the new play style. I always go aliens because i LOVE aliens, always have, and when im a marine im usually forced to cmmand >_<. Im a crappy commander but i know how to command, its just orders and tactics im not very good with yet, my tactic is "take these good guns and rambo in groups OGOGOG!" so yeah.... Anyways 2.01b has a few things that should be in the next release except needs a little bit more tweaking, 2.1 isnt too far off just hang in there! BTW when hl2 comes out do you think a lot of players will disappear? I know i wont since my video card is a POS atm, and i will always love ns <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
  • n4s7yn4s7y Join Date: 2003-04-18 Member: 15627Members
    I'm definitely getting bored of it.

    I'm thinking of quitting. After reading that no changes were made to the alien econ in 2.1a, I'm pretty sure that I'll stop playing by the end of the month. I'm pretty frustrated that many of the vets still refuse to admit that the game is heavily biased towards aliens, and even more frustrated that nothing is being done about it. (The main problem is alien expand, NOT onos redempt/devour!)

    <i>Like it or not, the game is unbalanced right now. 90% of games are alien wins, even on beta servers. This is NO fun. This is why a lot of people are leaving.</i>

    If I do stop playing NS, I'll probably be back as soon as the next patch is released though, hopefully with a new, balanced game. I know there's gonna be a lot of people who disagree with this post, but hey, talk to the hand <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
  • PegePege Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10088Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Stoneburg+Aug 20 2003, 11:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stoneburg @ Aug 20 2003, 11:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For me the long wait between *knowing* you're gonna lose and actually *losing* is what makes it boring. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Same here. That is why I mostly play aliens. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • DestinyDestiny Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9159Members
    at my local servers, marine winnings and alien winnings are very equal, and highly depedent on skills and cooperation.

    1.04 sucked real bad, without onos/fades, theres no way u can clear turets easily. its almost a sure lose situation when marines farm rts.

    now 2.0 and the variants are much better, but still, i am also getting bored with it.
    i feel that i need more tactics and strategies to think about and try to keep my
    interest on it.

    if you were to compare wc3FT (altho another genre), we can see replays all over the place, and very good guides, etc etc.. maybe we need these stuff to be more visible to players.. mayb a guide together with NS installation or something.

    plus the official ns site is growing cobwebs... pretty slow in updates to keep ppl curious..


    end of it all, maybe im simply bias or a lazy bum to search for those stuff i couldnt find hehe =]
    mayb u guyz can post sum links.
  • JynxDaddyJynxDaddy Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8151Banned
    The Marines need something new or redone, too much attention the the kharaa (ive always wanted the jetpack to have a better stream behind it)

    Im sure after the next tweak patch it will be fine.
  • MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
    ill keep playing.. now and forever amen <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • GoldenShadowGoldenShadow Join Date: 2002-04-21 Member: 483Members
    There are 3 aspects of the game which most people don't realise that if they are bored, they should try something else.

    you can be alien, marine, or the commander. each one is a very different experience. commanding is the toughest to learn but its very rewarding. It is really like your playing a RTS game sometimes. I selected some troops and order them to build something. neat go attack a hive, they go! of course you need a good team to pull off a win, the com can't be expected to turn rambos and bad aimers around to win the game somehow. they will get crushed.

    I reccomend anyone who hasn't commanded seriously to try it out. not just hop in and drop the armory and ips then ditch it, but com the entire game. learn the hotkeys, learn strategies, keep commanding until you get praised by your marines that you did an awesome job at winning. NS needs more good coms. for me, I've been commanding for less than a week and tonight I pulled 2 wins in a row on ns_veil. no lame f4 either, we killed their last hive and they pinged to death! the correct victory
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