<!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Jan 8 2004, 05:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Jan 8 2004, 05:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why? Everyone will know in a few days. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> omg possible 3.0 relaese in "a few days" <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->//??/
<!--QuoteBegin--kann_nix+Jan 8 2004, 06:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kann_nix @ Jan 8 2004, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Jan 8 2004, 05:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Jan 8 2004, 05:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why? Everyone will know in a few days. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> omg possible 3.0 relaese in "a few days" <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->//??/
omgomgomgomgogogmogmogmgomgomgogmo <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Of course not. 3.0 will be out "when it's ready".
I wouldn't be surprised if 3.0 was out soon. Sure, it missed the "holiday release", but 3.0e feels "pretty good around the [w]hole" <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Though, there's always more things that Flayra can put into a patch if he needs to stall a release to give a map more playtesting time <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Or, you know, he could, relax and not release a patch.
<!--QuoteBegin--Guspaz+Jan 9 2004, 02:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guspaz @ Jan 9 2004, 02:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wouldn't be surprised if 3.0 was out soon. Sure, it missed the "holiday release", but 3.0e feels "pretty good around the [w]hole" <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Though, there's always more things that Flayra can put into a patch if he needs to stall a release to give a map more playtesting time <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Or, you know, he could, relax and not release a patch. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ok i was joking but now you are getting me excited... anyhow let's not turn this into a 3.0 discussin, this is a thread about nancy a mapping forum, hardly the place for such discussion
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
Thoses issues were really always there, just neva approached till now. All hl mods have the same prob, but 3.0 has it much worse than any other mod....
Dont forget that we are in the very early stages of balancing, and nearing the end of the bughunting.... So dont expect 3.0 out too soon. Just a heads up, ok?
<!--QuoteBegin--LagDemon+Jan 9 2004, 12:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LagDemon @ Jan 9 2004, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Which problems are we referring to now? I'm confused... I thought flayra said the hitboxes are fixed? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is a problem with half-life not putting the hitbox in the right place, and it has been seen in all half-life mods. There is a demo of the problem in General Discussion somewhere.
For your amusement, <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=58784&hl=hitbox' target='_blank'>here</a> is that thread. The demo is inside a RAR file so get something to open it...
<!--QuoteBegin--i'm lost+Jan 9 2004, 05:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Jan 9 2004, 05:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--LagDemon+Jan 9 2004, 12:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LagDemon @ Jan 9 2004, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Which problems are we referring to now? I'm confused... I thought flayra said the hitboxes are fixed? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is a problem with half-life not putting the hitbox in the right place, and it has been seen in all half-life mods. There is a demo of the problem in General Discussion somewhere. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This isn't STEAM, this is HL. The first release of Counter-Strike on WON suffered from this. You had to shoot behind someone to kill them, sometimes you couldn't kill them at all.
<!--QuoteBegin--LagDemon+Jan 11 2004, 04:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LagDemon @ Jan 11 2004, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So... what exactly is the holdup now? We're just waiting for 3.0 to be released? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Flayra e-mailed Lazer to let him know that he planned to include Nancy in the next build of NS. We haven't seen that new (3.0f) version yet and so everyone who is part of the beta will presumeably see it very soon.
I wish I were a PlayTester. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Oh and BTW, what makes one a "Veteran" anyway?
"Vet" is if you emailed a roster of at least 6 people to the ATI tourny leaders and it got through. The scrim laws are not inforced yet so no one has been kicked out. The Vet icon lost its prestige with this influx but thats another subject.(true vet=top 5 clans of 1.0).
<!--QuoteBegin--DarkATi+Jan 12 2004, 12:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Jan 12 2004, 12:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I wish I were a PlayTester. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Oh and BTW, what makes one a "Veteran" anyway?
~ DarkATi<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Donate to the <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/const.html' target='_blank'>Constellation Program</a> and you can be.
<!--QuoteBegin--Techwid+Jan 12 2004, 11:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Techwid @ Jan 12 2004, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--DarkATi+Jan 12 2004, 12:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Jan 12 2004, 12:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I wish I were a PlayTester. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Oh and BTW, what makes one a "Veteran" anyway?
~ DarkATi<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Donate to the <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/const.html' target='_blank'>Constellation Program</a> and you can be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, that would make you a Constellation Member, he is on about Veterans (even though most are nubs)
Vets are genrally members of clans who were entered into the NS tourney, even if their clan came last and they were the worst player they would have gained vet status. Consties in my opinion gain more respect, and its easier to become a constie <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Vet's only gain respect if they are in a good clan and are known. Otherwise people don't really respect them that much because they could be anyone. CMs have donated at least 20 dollars to the game so there is some respect gained right there, but I have seen some CMs that were completely disrespectful to everyone. Having any of these statuses hardly means anything now. It is how you do as an individual (or as a clan) that gets you respect.
Anyway, yes we are waiting for 3.0f. What is taking so long we dunno.
<!--QuoteBegin--nightdragon+Jan 12 2004, 10:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nightdragon @ Jan 12 2004, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Techwid+Jan 12 2004, 11:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Techwid @ Jan 12 2004, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--DarkATi+Jan 12 2004, 12:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Jan 12 2004, 12:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I wish I were a PlayTester. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Oh and BTW, what makes one a "Veteran" anyway?
~ DarkATi<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Donate to the <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/const.html' target='_blank'>Constellation Program</a> and you can be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, that would make you a Constellation Member, he is on about Veterans (even though most are nubs) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Since when you donate you are given access to the beta, and therefore can play it, you are testing the code and therefore are a PlayTester also. Now, you don't have the official Play Tester status, but you still gain access to the beta. And he didn't say he wanted to be a vet, he said he wanted to be a playtester then asked what a vet is. Either way he would be able to playtest the beta so I guess it doesn't matter.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
A Constie is not a playtester, by position. Consties have been granted access to the beta for the time being, which may or may not be carried through... that much is undecided.
And as for the non-scrimming Vets. 3.0e is scrimmable on both NS and NS:C sides. Expect the four-scrim rulings to start knocking lazyfeet and tourists out of the mix soon. I personally only expect about 10% at best of our 'new' Veterans to keep the tag.
And Talesin says it more eloquontly. The point is, he can playtest the code of 3.0 right now if he joined the constellation program.
Just curious, I was hearing that Flay and the Dev team were happy with the play test overall, and if thats true then I would imagine the CM's would continue to have access to the betas. You hear anything more about that Talesin?
<!--QuoteBegin--Talesin+Jan 13 2004, 01:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Jan 13 2004, 01:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A Constie is not a playtester, by position. Consties have been granted access to the beta for the time being, which may or may not be carried through... that much is undecided.
And as for the non-scrimming Vets. 3.0e is scrimmable on both NS and NS:C sides. Expect the four-scrim rulings to start knocking lazyfeet and tourists out of the mix soon. I personally only expect about 10% at best of our 'new' Veterans to keep the tag. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Some of us want to, but have trouble, due to problems.
My clan, when it was called MUGA, applied for vet, and got it. 10 members became vets, and we scrimmed often (Sometimes multiple times a night).
Then the clan had a reorganization, and we became NCR. Mostly the same members, but the roster was different enough that we lost many of the original vet-members. Now in order to scrim 3.0, we have to use clan members who ARE NOT vet, but only CMs.
We sent an email to Elven ages ago, still waiting. Not much we can do until our new vet roster is put in; we can't really be blamed for not scrimming 3.0 much, as it's hard to get enough people to scrim when you only have like 5 vets in your clan <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I've been considering donating to NS Constellation for some time now, I think I will in the near future. It'd be cool to playtest the betas but really NS simply deserves a donation from me. It is truly the greatest mod out there ATM, no other mod pushes the limits like NS and still performs like a dream!
If you "Nancy guys" (I think that's the term going around) didn't know, there is a new map decompiler out that is supposed to do a much better job than WinBSP. Uhhhh... I am guesing you guys already heard about it, but if not, I'd gladly point you in the direction of it.
<!--QuoteBegin--LagDemon+Jan 13 2004, 09:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LagDemon @ Jan 13 2004, 09:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even if it is much better, it's a little late now, now that they are virtually <i>done</i>.
Although, it could be useful if bast or fenris get started.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It could be even more useful if bast suddenly disapeared from all hard drives on the face of this planet
<!--QuoteBegin--kann_nix+Jan 13 2004, 07:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kann_nix @ Jan 13 2004, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--LagDemon+Jan 13 2004, 09:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LagDemon @ Jan 13 2004, 09:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even if it is much better, it's a little late now, now that they are virtually <i>done</i>.
Although, it could be useful if bast or fenris get started.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It could be even more useful if bast suddenly disapeared from all hard drives on the face of this planet <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Do you realize that the source code for bast was lost? It was the same type of thing as with nancy, except the compiled version of bast was usable in 2.0, while nancy's compiled version was not usable. Bast can't be changed at all unless someone recreates the source code for it (as far as my understanding of mapping goes, which is just what I have read in this thread).
Comments
omg possible 3.0 relaese in "a few days" <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->//??/
omgomgomgomgogogmogmogmgomgomgogmo
which i can't wait for..
omg possible 3.0 relaese in "a few days" <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->//??/
omgomgomgomgogogmogmogmgomgomgogmo <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Of course not. 3.0 will be out "when it's ready".
Though, there's always more things that Flayra can put into a patch if he needs to stall a release to give a map more playtesting time <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Or, you know, he could, relax and not release a patch.
Though, there's always more things that Flayra can put into a patch if he needs to stall a release to give a map more playtesting time <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Or, you know, he could, relax and not release a patch. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok i was joking but now you are getting me excited... anyhow let's not turn this into a 3.0 discussin, this is a thread about nancy a mapping forum, hardly the place for such discussion
Yeah, but I've also heard of some (rare) serious hitbox issues.
This is a problem with half-life not putting the hitbox in the right place, and it has been seen in all half-life mods. There is a demo of the problem in General Discussion somewhere.
This is a problem with half-life not putting the hitbox in the right place, and it has been seen in all half-life mods. There is a demo of the problem in General Discussion somewhere. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This isn't STEAM, this is HL. The first release of Counter-Strike on WON suffered from this. You had to shoot behind someone to kill them, sometimes you couldn't kill them at all.
~ DarkATi
Flayra e-mailed Lazer to let him know that he planned to include Nancy in the next build of NS. We haven't seen that new (3.0f) version yet and so everyone who is part of the beta will presumeably see it very soon.
~ DarkATi
NANCY!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
~ DarkATi<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Donate to the <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/const.html' target='_blank'>Constellation Program</a> and you can be.
~ DarkATi<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Donate to the <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/const.html' target='_blank'>Constellation Program</a> and you can be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, that would make you a Constellation Member, he is on about Veterans (even though most are nubs)
Vets are genrally members of clans who were entered into the NS tourney, even if their clan came last and they were the worst player they would have gained vet status. Consties in my opinion gain more respect, and its easier to become a constie <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyway, yes we are waiting for 3.0f. What is taking so long we dunno.
~ DarkATi<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Donate to the <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/const.html' target='_blank'>Constellation Program</a> and you can be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, that would make you a Constellation Member, he is on about Veterans (even though most are nubs)
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Since when you donate you are given access to the beta, and therefore can play it, you are testing the code and therefore are a PlayTester also. Now, you don't have the official Play Tester status, but you still gain access to the beta. And he didn't say he wanted to be a vet, he said he wanted to be a playtester then asked what a vet is. Either way he would be able to playtest the beta so I guess it doesn't matter.
And as for the non-scrimming Vets. 3.0e is scrimmable on both NS and NS:C sides. Expect the four-scrim rulings to start knocking lazyfeet and tourists out of the mix soon. I personally only expect about 10% at best of our 'new' Veterans to keep the tag.
Just curious, I was hearing that Flay and the Dev team were happy with the play test overall, and if thats true then I would imagine the CM's would continue to have access to the betas. You hear anything more about that Talesin?
And as for the non-scrimming Vets. 3.0e is scrimmable on both NS and NS:C sides. Expect the four-scrim rulings to start knocking lazyfeet and tourists out of the mix soon. I personally only expect about 10% at best of our 'new' Veterans to keep the tag. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Some of us want to, but have trouble, due to problems.
My clan, when it was called MUGA, applied for vet, and got it. 10 members became vets, and we scrimmed often (Sometimes multiple times a night).
Then the clan had a reorganization, and we became NCR. Mostly the same members, but the roster was different enough that we lost many of the original vet-members. Now in order to scrim 3.0, we have to use clan members who ARE NOT vet, but only CMs.
We sent an email to Elven ages ago, still waiting. Not much we can do until our new vet roster is put in; we can't really be blamed for not scrimming 3.0 much, as it's hard to get enough people to scrim when you only have like 5 vets in your clan <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
*Clickehs the Constellation Page*
~ DarkATi
Although, it could be useful if bast or fenris get started....
Although, it could be useful if bast or fenris get started.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It could be even more useful if bast suddenly disapeared from all hard drives on the face of this planet
Although, it could be useful if bast or fenris get started.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It could be even more useful if bast suddenly disapeared from all hard drives on the face of this planet <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you realize that the source code for bast was lost? It was the same type of thing as with nancy, except the compiled version of bast was usable in 2.0, while nancy's compiled version was not usable. Bast can't be changed at all unless someone recreates the source code for it (as far as my understanding of mapping goes, which is just what I have read in this thread).