Um.. Relsan, you fail to realize that that is just how vents are. When someone builds a building, do you really think they care about how the inside of the vents look? Let alone how easily it is for a being to get from one area to another? No. They do it the most efficent way they can. Nancy seems to recreate this quite well.
<!--QuoteBegin--Uranium+Sep 25 2003, 08:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Uranium @ Sep 25 2003, 08:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i loved nancy vents in 1.0 i got lost in a set for nearly 20 mins.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Now THAT is a good use for /kill.
ANeM: How often do vents in real life have openings that you can crawl into? Usually there is a cover on them, and even with skulk teeth it would take several seconds to break it off. It is a game, and the vents should be made convenient for doing whatever they are meant for (getting from place A to B, etc).
<!--QuoteBegin--ANeM+Sep 26 2003, 02:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ANeM @ Sep 26 2003, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Um.. Relsan, you fail to realize that that is just how vents are. When someone builds a building, do you really think they care about how the inside of the vents look? Let alone how easily it is for a being to get from one area to another? No. They do it the most efficent way they can. Nancy seems to recreate this quite well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Dang man I wasn't even the one who decided to update them, I was just agreeing with the decision. Besides I was talking exactly like you a few pages ago, but I came to realize that there's a lot of ways to make vents and they don't have to be plain and long and boring. I'm willing to reason that in the future ventilation systems might be a little more intuitive than the way they are designed now in the 21st century.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
<!--QuoteBegin--ANeM+Sep 25 2003, 06:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ANeM @ Sep 25 2003, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Um.. Relsan, you fail to realize that that is just how vents are. When someone builds a building, do you really think they care about how the inside of the vents look? Let alone how easily it is for a being to get from one area to another? No. They do it the most efficent way they can. Nancy seems to recreate this quite well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, not quite. The Nancy vents (when looked at in entirety) contained a number of nonsensical turns, and width-changes. In an actual building, they start out large at the 'hub' which is assumed to be where the air intake (or processing unit in this case) sits. They branch and get smaller as they near the endpoints, as each 'arm' branches off the trunk vent. Expect this type of logic in the new Nancy vents.
Additionally, in large complexes the insides of vents (some of which double as access crawlways) are quite well marked.. especially with 'DANGER' signs in appropriate spots, 'EXIT ->' templates with locational information, and so on. I'm not sure if this will be going in, as the ventways I'd seen were still in the dynamics testing phase.
<!--QuoteBegin--Talesin+Sep 25 2003, 09:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Sep 25 2003, 09:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, not quite. The Nancy vents (when looked at in entirety) contained a number of nonsensical turns, and width-changes. In an actual building, they start out large at the 'hub' which is assumed to be where the air intake (or processing unit in this case) sits. They branch and get smaller as they near the endpoints, as each 'arm' branches off the trunk vent. Expect this type of logic in the new Nancy vents. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The 'cleaned up' vents are going to have mostly lighting changes to mark position, 'red emergency' lighting in deeper-in areas, some kind of 'colouration' near various exits, etc. No real signage though, especially not with the newly-crippling 300-entity limit. =-.-=
Also, I'm going to 'break up' the one over-long vent you saw previously with an actual 'hub' mini-room. Still too small for an Onos to evolve anywhere inside, so very cramped-feeling, but large enough to stand and walk around in, and Gorges to build in if they want to burn res, but without being able to block it off.
Basically, a small air filtering room with some 'filter' grates surrounding a fan-like construction in the middle of said room. Nothing fancy, but a definate 'hub' for the whole vent network. Figure 8-10 chambers will fit inside, maybe 10-12 if you're unit-perfect with placement, but they'll just form a 'floor' you can walk around on, not actually blocking the vents off. No Marine building, either. =^.^= The whole room will be like 256x256 overall, so, again, tiny.
Someone said that it would take a skulk a few seconds to break through the cover of a vent. I doubt that tbh. Remember that skulks can rip through marine armour in 1 second. Sorry i know its a pointless post but it annoys me when people say rediculous things.
<!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Aug 19 2003, 04:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Aug 19 2003, 04:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've begun working on remaking some parts of ns_nancy. Working by myself will take a while so I'm looking for help. Please reply if you fall under the following:
-Knows how to map. (actually knows, not just "is willing to learn") -Has time to do this -Won't just make a little and then never be heard from again. -Is able to remake things almost exactly. (the slightest changes could throw off alignment in the final compiles.)
I'm gonna have people sign up for different parts of the map and everyone goes off and makes their section of the map. When they finish, they send that section in .rmf format to me and I will put it into the main build. Although lighting is nice, don't worry about it. I can fix that up later.
When this is all done I plan on sending the source to DevilDog so we can get this back into ns and updated if he wants it to be.
So anyone who wants to help, just reply and if you have a section of the map you want to work on specify that. After a few posts I will start assigning sections. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll help you m8. Nancy was one of my clanmates favourites, I'd be glad to get it back for him, and DevilDog.
-Have been mapping for 3 (almost 4) years -Has plenty of time to do this, I am however self-employed and may be required to take in a computer during discussion <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> -When I put my mind to something (which is common when mapping), I'll give it my 100% and nothing less. -Given a texture alignment here and there, and a small margin of error, I think I could do that, definitly the layout, maybe just not 100% of the tiny details, remember we're trying to re-write a novel after the only copy has been lost.
If you want my help m8 just say.
You could register in the "Dev" forums of my own forums (link to my webby in my sig) we could get to work in there.
If you've got any of the following, add me:
<b>MSN:</b> lyndak2002@hotmail.com <b>AIM:</b> LyndakUK <i>(Offline mainly till I get my main system back up, although I do connect sometimes to speak to Parse)</i> <b>Y!M:</b> lyndak_uk2 <i>(Online on my laptop 24/7)</i> <b>ICQ:</b> 127038657 <i>(Offline till I get my main system back up)</i> <b>Mail:</b> lyndak@brotherhood-online.co.uk / admin@brotherhood-online.co.uk
<!--QuoteBegin--lyndak+Sep 26 2003, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lyndak @ Sep 26 2003, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...remember we're trying to re-write a novel after the only copy has been lost.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> More like trying to re-write the novel after the only copy has been lost and all that's left is the movie adaptation. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Edgecrusher+Sep 26 2003, 06:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Edgecrusher @ Sep 26 2003, 06:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Someone said that it would take a skulk a few seconds to break through the cover of a vent. I doubt that tbh. Remember that skulks can rip through marine armour in 1 second. Sorry i know its a pointless post but it annoys me when people say rediculous things. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It takes a skulk two bites to kill a marine with zero armor (if it was all destroyed and they got health packs). Anything that can't snap through human bones in a single bite is going to take a couple of seconds to bite off the vent cover, especially since the skulk teeth don't point outward and therefore would have a harder time hitting the flat cover of the vent.
<!--QuoteBegin--i'm lost+Sep 26 2003, 12:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Sep 26 2003, 12:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anything that can't snap through human bones in a single bite is going to take a couple of seconds to bite off the vent cover... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Guys... four words.
Natural Selection Isn't Real.
No further discussion on how 'long' it would take to bite through a grate will be appreciated, or tolerated. Take it somewhere else, please. If anything is placed over the main vent network, it will be already-torn-up grates with ragged 'illusionary' edges.
I have finished one of the subrooms from the marine start, and I'm about to move onto the other one that branches to the last of the hallways I have to finish (the one with the airlock that WILL BE FIXED)
I'm guessing a day or so and it should be ready to pass to wolfwings for the final touchups and installation of the vent system. Once a couple of compiles are done, everything'll go back to me for final word (and other final touchups) and then back to wolfwings for a rc1 compile. Then some beta testing on servers. I'm thinking about a public lunixmonster beta test since LB said he wants to be the first to host the map. Not sure on any of that yet. We'll just see what happens.
I will put my server up to the task of testing nancy out.
That is if you are looking for people to host it. I really enjoyed that map and miss it <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I can also host the final version of it for download (or at least til I run out of bandwidth)!
<!--QuoteBegin--(KCSA) Robert Paulson+Sep 26 2003, 07:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ((KCSA) Robert Paulson @ Sep 26 2003, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I will put my server up to the task of testing nancy out.
That is if you are looking for people to host it. I really enjoyed that map and miss it <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I can also host the final version of it for download (or at least til I run out of bandwidth)! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Unfortunately, I'll have to agree with Lazer on server choices. And also stipulate that we have only one server to test the map with, with steps in place to make sure it doesn't get passed around until RC2 or Final release, whichever happens first.
As for why I like Lunix? *points at Talesin* That's his favorite server, and mine as well after playing on it several times. It's a good server, that I recognize and like, and that I know some Mods and PTs and Vets play on already, so we can get well-informed feedback.
Well I've got a private server that I can host a closed beta on, but the first public one will be on lunixmonster then I wanna get it sent back to Flayra right after everything is worked out.
<!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Sep 26 2003, 08:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Sep 26 2003, 08:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well I've got a private server that I can host a closed beta on, but the first public one will be on lunixmonster then I wanna get it sent back to Flayra right after everything is worked out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *nods* Okay then. :-)
Are we what, 95% by now? <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo-->
godamnit its so close i can feel it <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Why did I just read 48 pages of anticipation? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyway, I am totally amazed that this map could have reemerged in such a short space of time. With the few changes you have made and cleaning up textures, nancy is going to be better than ever!
(no more hmg/jp sniping the hive from a vent) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Hehe more people have viewed this topic than the forum guidelines <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Fluffybunny+Sep 28 2003, 12:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fluffybunny @ Sep 28 2003, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hehe more people have viewed this topic than the forum guidelines <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It has been viewed more times. People have viewed this multiple times, but nobody reads the forum guidelines more than once.
<!--QuoteBegin--i'm lost+Sep 28 2003, 04:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Sep 28 2003, 04:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It has been viewed more times. People have viewed this multiple times, but nobody reads the forum guidelines more than once. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I said more people have viewed it, not seen it. Any who, keep up the good work, I can't wait for the final release.
If you need more people for the closed beta, let me know, I'd be honoured to help out in any capacity possible. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
i'd like to help if you need it. i have been keeping up with this topic for quite a while <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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in 1.0 i got lost in a set for nearly 20 mins....
When someone builds a building, do you really think they care about how the inside of the vents look? Let alone how easily it is for a being to get from one area to another? No. They do it the most efficent way they can. Nancy seems to recreate this quite well.
in 1.0 i got lost in a set for nearly 20 mins.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now THAT is a good use for /kill.
ANeM: How often do vents in real life have openings that you can crawl into? Usually there is a cover on them, and even with skulk teeth it would take several seconds to break it off. It is a game, and the vents should be made convenient for doing whatever they are meant for (getting from place A to B, etc).
When someone builds a building, do you really think they care about how the inside of the vents look? Let alone how easily it is for a being to get from one area to another? No. They do it the most efficent way they can. Nancy seems to recreate this quite well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dang man I wasn't even the one who decided to update them, I was just agreeing with the decision. Besides I was talking exactly like you a few pages ago, but I came to realize that there's a lot of ways to make vents and they don't have to be plain and long and boring. I'm willing to reason that in the future ventilation systems might be a little more intuitive than the way they are designed now in the 21st century.
When someone builds a building, do you really think they care about how the inside of the vents look? Let alone how easily it is for a being to get from one area to another? No. They do it the most efficent way they can. Nancy seems to recreate this quite well. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, not quite. The Nancy vents (when looked at in entirety) contained a number of nonsensical turns, and width-changes. In an actual building, they start out large at the 'hub' which is assumed to be where the air intake (or processing unit in this case) sits. They branch and get smaller as they near the endpoints, as each 'arm' branches off the trunk vent. Expect this type of logic in the new Nancy vents.
Additionally, in large complexes the insides of vents (some of which double as access crawlways) are quite well marked.. especially with 'DANGER' signs in appropriate spots, 'EXIT ->' templates with locational information, and so on. I'm not sure if this will be going in, as the ventways I'd seen were still in the dynamics testing phase.
The 'cleaned up' vents are going to have mostly lighting changes to mark position, 'red emergency' lighting in deeper-in areas, some kind of 'colouration' near various exits, etc. No real signage though, especially not with the newly-crippling 300-entity limit. =-.-=
Also, I'm going to 'break up' the one over-long vent you saw previously with an actual 'hub' mini-room. Still too small for an Onos to evolve anywhere inside, so very cramped-feeling, but large enough to stand and walk around in, and Gorges to build in if they want to burn res, but without being able to block it off.
Basically, a small air filtering room with some 'filter' grates surrounding a fan-like construction in the middle of said room. Nothing fancy, but a definate 'hub' for the whole vent network. Figure 8-10 chambers will fit inside, maybe 10-12 if you're unit-perfect with placement, but they'll just form a 'floor' you can walk around on, not actually blocking the vents off. No Marine building, either. =^.^= The whole room will be like 256x256 overall, so, again, tiny.
you said fancy.... rhymes with nancy... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
-Knows how to map. (actually knows, not just "is willing to learn")
-Has time to do this
-Won't just make a little and then never be heard from again.
-Is able to remake things almost exactly. (the slightest changes could throw off alignment in the final compiles.)
I'm gonna have people sign up for different parts of the map and everyone goes off and makes their section of the map. When they finish, they send that section in .rmf format to me and I will put it into the main build. Although lighting is nice, don't worry about it. I can fix that up later.
When this is all done I plan on sending the source to DevilDog so we can get this back into ns and updated if he wants it to be.
So anyone who wants to help, just reply and if you have a section of the map you want to work on specify that. After a few posts I will start assigning sections. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll help you m8. Nancy was one of my clanmates favourites, I'd be glad to get it back for him, and DevilDog.
-Have been mapping for 3 (almost 4) years
-Has plenty of time to do this, I am however self-employed and may be required to take in a computer during discussion <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
-When I put my mind to something (which is common when mapping), I'll give it my 100% and nothing less.
-Given a texture alignment here and there, and a small margin of error, I think I could do that, definitly the layout, maybe just not 100% of the tiny details, remember we're trying to re-write a novel after the only copy has been lost.
If you want my help m8 just say.
You could register in the "Dev" forums of my own forums (link to my webby in my sig) we could get to work in there.
If you've got any of the following, add me:
<b>MSN:</b> lyndak2002@hotmail.com
<b>AIM:</b> LyndakUK <i>(Offline mainly till I get my main system back up, although I do connect sometimes to speak to Parse)</i>
<b>Y!M:</b> lyndak_uk2 <i>(Online on my laptop 24/7)</i>
<b>ICQ:</b> 127038657 <i>(Offline till I get my main system back up)</i>
<b>Mail:</b> lyndak@brotherhood-online.co.uk / admin@brotherhood-online.co.uk
Its been so long!
More like trying to re-write the novel after the only copy has been lost and all that's left is the movie adaptation. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
It takes a skulk two bites to kill a marine with zero armor (if it was all destroyed and they got health packs). Anything that can't snap through human bones in a single bite is going to take a couple of seconds to bite off the vent cover, especially since the skulk teeth don't point outward and therefore would have a harder time hitting the flat cover of the vent.
Guys... four words.
Natural Selection Isn't Real.
No further discussion on how 'long' it would take to bite through a grate will be appreciated, or tolerated. Take it somewhere else, please. If anything is placed over the main vent network, it will be already-torn-up grates with ragged 'illusionary' edges.
I have finished one of the subrooms from the marine start, and I'm about to move onto the other one that branches to the last of the hallways I have to finish (the one with the airlock that WILL BE FIXED)
I'm guessing a day or so and it should be ready to pass to wolfwings for the final touchups and installation of the vent system. Once a couple of compiles are done, everything'll go back to me for final word (and other final touchups) and then back to wolfwings for a rc1 compile. Then some beta testing on servers. I'm thinking about a public lunixmonster beta test since LB said he wants to be the first to host the map. Not sure on any of that yet. We'll just see what happens.
That is if you are looking for people to host it. I really enjoyed that map and miss it <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I can also host the final version of it for download (or at least til I run out of bandwidth)!
That is if you are looking for people to host it. I really enjoyed that map and miss it <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I can also host the final version of it for download (or at least til I run out of bandwidth)! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unfortunately, I'll have to agree with Lazer on server choices. And also stipulate that we have only one server to test the map with, with steps in place to make sure it doesn't get passed around until RC2 or Final release, whichever happens first.
As for why I like Lunix? *points at Talesin* That's his favorite server, and mine as well after playing on it several times. It's a good server, that I recognize and like, and that I know some Mods and PTs and Vets play on already, so we can get well-informed feedback.
*nods* Okay then. :-)
pretty damn close to it.
Anyway, I am totally amazed that this map could have reemerged in such a short space of time. With the few changes you have made and cleaning up textures, nancy is going to be better than ever!
(no more hmg/jp sniping the hive from a vent) <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
It has been viewed more times. People have viewed this multiple times, but nobody reads the forum guidelines more than once.
I said more people have viewed it, not seen it. Any who, keep up the good work, I can't wait for the final release.
Awaits Nancy with great anticipation. Good Job folks!