Religious Mapping?

WaffleSpoonWaffleSpoon Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 133Members
<div class="IPBDescription">An issue?</div> Well, I was mapping along and just got a sweet idea... It is about the marine spawn. But as I made this idea of mine an reality so that I can try it out and tweak it until near perfection... I realized something...

To make you understand my problem better, I have to tell you the entire map-story from the beginning and you will soon understand.

<i>A squad of TSA specials have infiltrated the space mining colony ns_reptilian (this is only a working project name, I have not checked to see if the name is taken already, but take notice that this is NOT the name it will have upon eventual completion! I apologize if I have taken anybodys name and can rename my project if the person in question so likes) but was soon cut off from reinforcements and were driven further and further back into the station. They were pushed back so far that they had to take shelter in a very odd place. The chapell. And it is not god who watch over this place. No, these eyes are far more organic...</i>

This is where the players enter the game fromt he readyroom. A large door slightly open represents the way the TSA marines came from and the red warning lights can be seen as well as a scene of turretfiring, kharaa screams and some explosions will take place. Then it will go silent and all that is heard is the alarm.. This alarm will die out after a short while as well. (to prevent irritation) That is meant to symbolize aliens taking out the last line of defence the TSA specialists had, but the door was jammed luckily. Now, inside this MS there are..as of now.. three diferrent sized and colored christian crosses. The CC is located in the preasts(sp?) "chair", you know, where he sings and speaks to the people.

Now to my problem. I do not at all want to offend anyone, and I was wondering if having christian crosses at the marine spawn would in fact offend anyone. Religion is a strange thing. I am, myself, not a christian, I believe in the wiccan belief and as such, am not representative for the christian belief.

Comments?

Comments

  • LigerLiger Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18026Members
    wouldn't offend me... of course I'm quite lax in that area as well...


    And I believe the proper term for that area is the pulpit... but I could be wrong...
  • WaffleSpoonWaffleSpoon Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 133Members
    Pulpit? I see, cheers m8. I come from sweden, my english is not all that great, but I try.
  • LigerLiger Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18026Members
    never woulda guessed that... I don't believe I've seen anyone on this forum that I could peg as not having english as their prime language...


    I'd have to look it up to tell ya for sure, but that was the first word that had popped into my head after reading through your description.

    What would be cool (In my opinion) would be if there was an organ that played some creepy organ music when used... especially if it would be triggered in the maner of a switch, because then a skulk could parasite it, and freak the marines out...
  • WaffleSpoonWaffleSpoon Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 133Members
    heh, I will have a choir fairly silent playing in MS spawn.. just.. soft choir.. but about the organ.. well I'm not too fond of things like that I'm sorry m8. However I'm running out of ideas of what to put in the darned room as I decided to remove all of the benches for fps and space. Gameplay over realism you know.


    Also, parasiting doors and buttons overall gave me a hard laugh in NS1.0, but it stopped working for me in NS2.0 though, no idea why =/
  • WarpZoneWarpZone Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6264Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Liger+Aug 17 2003, 11:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liger @ Aug 17 2003, 11:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't believe I've seen anyone on this forum that I could peg as not having english as their prime language... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Smart Bomb.
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--WarpZone+Aug 17 2003, 06:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WarpZone @ Aug 17 2003, 06:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Liger+Aug 17 2003, 11:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liger @ Aug 17 2003, 11:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't believe I've seen anyone on this forum that I could peg as not having english as their prime language... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Smart Bomb. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    SNiperMarine
  • WaffleSpoonWaffleSpoon Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 133Members
    I'd appreciate keeping to the topic.
  • LigerLiger Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18026Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--JezPuh+Aug 17 2003, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JezPuh @ Aug 17 2003, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--WarpZone+Aug 17 2003, 06:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WarpZone @ Aug 17 2003, 06:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Liger+Aug 17 2003, 11:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liger @ Aug 17 2003, 11:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't believe I've seen anyone on this forum that I could peg as not having english as their prime language... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Smart Bomb. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    SNiperMarine<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'll note that I've not seen either of thier postings... and you're badly off topic... (at least ya couda put in your opinion on the topic at hand)


    and I just looked it up, it is pulpit
    1) An elevated platform, lectern, or stand used in preaching or conducting a religious service.
    2a) Clerics considered as a group.
    2b) The ministry of preaching.
    3) An elevated metal guardrail extending around the bow or stern of a yacht or other small vessel.
    4) An elevated platform, such as one used by harpooners in a whaling boat.

    thankee dictionary.com
  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    While an interesting and rather original idea, I don't think that this fits the NS "grungy sci-fi" theme very well. So if you're intending to have this map considered for official status in the future, this might not be a good idea. If you're not going for offical status, this doesn't really matter, so go for it. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> It's certainly an interesting idea.
  • MausMaus Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5599Members
    I have a planned "Cathedral Hive" for my never-started-but-always-just-about-to-be map, too. I don't see why religious imagery in a map should be a problem at all.
  • WaffleSpoonWaffleSpoon Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 133Members
    edited August 2003
    Insane, you might be right. But I strive to have something that not many others, if noone at all, has. The chapell gave a view into the colonists everyday life, proved that working in such an hars environment needs belief if you are ever going to make it. In addition, trust and faith in a higher power is what those TSA specialists needs right now <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I only thought it'd give an interesting and different approach. The room is actually like most other ns rooms, only three crosses live there <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Thnx for the comment m8.
  • SeraphyGoodnessSeraphyGoodness Join Date: 2003-06-05 Member: 17029Members
    well, to answer your main concern...

    Although I would not find it offensive myself (then again, i have odd self-formulated semi-christian psuedo-holistic partly-pagan beliefs) i know there are a number of strongly christian forum members. I doubt they would take offense (and of course if they do, they should simply not d/l the map), but i can't really speak for them.

    Might I suggest that you use a technique of implying, rather than stating. by placing some pews/seats, adding the pulpit, maybe a stained glass effect of some sort, you will instantly conjure the ideals of a chapel into your map, without having to reinforce this with crosses or other actual religious symbols. I'd suggest you don't have the chapel in a state of too much disarray either, as to some it might suggest desecration.

    also, without showing any particular religious symbol, you show no bias to any faith. after all a cosmopolitan space station would likely have staff/inhabitants of many different religions, and due to real-estate being at a premium in an enclosed environment, not enough room for a mosque/synagogue/chapel for each religion. thus a universal chapel would be more likely, with either no symbols, or ones that could be packed away and exchanged depending on the worship taking place.
  • WaffleSpoonWaffleSpoon Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 133Members
    I like that. I have the huge windows, stained ofcourse. I decided not to make it church like, as this is just a small aprt of a VERY large station. Only the lower parts and some crew quartes will feature in the playable map, while elevators and doors to other parts of the station will be seen, but unaccesable.

    But when I remove my discreet (sp?) crosses, it gets so empty.. well, time to make up a station-specific symbol I guess. thnx for comment m8.
  • LegionnairedLegionnaired Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 552Members, Constellation
    I don't see any problem with it at all. If you really wanted to avoid stepping the toes of otehr religions, you could do like they do in some hospitals, with a pulpit with the symbol inside, with a button on the back that causes it to rotate to the next symbol. Could cycle between a Cross, a star of david, and a crescent moon for islam.

    But it's not like you're disgracing anything by having crosses in there, the only way I could forsee someone getting offended is someone asking why their religious symbol isn't there.
  • LigerLiger Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18026Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Legionnaired+Aug 17 2003, 03:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Aug 17 2003, 03:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Could cycle between a Cross, a star of david, and a crescent moon for islam. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yeah, take that to the next level!

    Have the crosses be like on screens... and a button on the pulpit changes the symbol to the next on the list...

    of course... it may take it a tad over on the texture limit... but who knows till it's tried...
  • WaffleSpoonWaffleSpoon Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 133Members
    I see, well, I decided to remove the great cross in the floor, and keep one smaller above res and one inside the pulpit above CC

    Thank you for your comment.
  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I'm an atheist, I would not take any offence to having a religious aspect to a map. I tolerate people being as stupid(IMHO!) as they wish as long as they don't try to force anything on me(then endless argument ensues).

    BTW... I'm from Sweden too...
  • WaffleSpoonWaffleSpoon Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 133Members
    I see, well that sounds good. So far mostly positive feedback and ideas.

    Please, feel free to comment more, the more the merrier they say.

    Thank you for your comment.
  • EriasErias Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19878Members
    I'm a Christian and the only way I'm offended is by you even <i>worrying</i> that someone would be offended. I'm a pretty open-minded believer, but not all Christians are anal about their faith. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> But hey, its nice of you to care about other people's feelings... I say, go for it! There's nothing wrong with sticking anything religious in an NS map! Free speech! If someone has a problem with your map (aside from Flayra & co.) they can just shove it, you have a right to express yourself. It's a free world... or at least it should be.
  • WaffleSpoonWaffleSpoon Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 133Members
    Heh, I thank you for that.

    Ofcourse one should worry about other peoples feelings, other people is what makes this mod, so it would be foolish to ignore that. After all, I am dependant on other people to play my map eventually, regardless of religion, sex and ability to talk trash about the map itself ^^

    thank you for your comment m8.
  • B33FB33F Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9362Members
    Actually, I think the chapel idea could be cool if it was heavily science-fiction-ized. For example, why have the traditional stained glass windows and all? Instead, it could be a dark room, wires hanging from the ceiling, metal grating underfoot, walls covered with computer displays. Heck, no need for printed bibles, just put screens on the back of the benches.
  • EriasErias Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19878Members
    Maybe throw in some churchy-looking holograms. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • WaffleSpoonWaffleSpoon Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 133Members
    Heh, a holografic symbol would be a neat effect ^^
  • WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
    There's a map (ns_next) that already has a chapel <b>hive</b> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
    ns_next is a pretty freaky map, actually :o
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