LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--QuoteBegin--SoulSkorpion+Aug 16 2003, 10:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Aug 16 2003, 10:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If we're talking "weapon of choice" - the Falcon 2 from Perfect Dark <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Gaming wise.. the FarSight from Perfect Dark. ~_^
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Canadian snipers, best snipers in the world, IMO are dangerous. I forgot how far one guy shot, but it was hella long, 2,430 meters.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why's that? A shooting isn't everything, it's Hitting the target that counts. ^_^
I think that's an awesome weapon <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Heard a lot of good things about it...
I wish Canada was like America with less firearm restrictions...But I guess it's for the good eh? Can't own much up here in the north... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> even tho' the PSG1 is really old, it's really f*cking good. nodouttaboudit. because of the cold hammer forging process, it has a spankinass barrel that'll deliver shots of a group into an 80mm circle at 300 meters. whewt.
<b>The knife.</b> Cheap. Customizable (add your favorite designs or even a wine opener). Cleanable with regular rag. Gets the job done. Virtually untraceable (if need be). Shows skill at close range (see Luc Besson's "The Professional" for further insight). Does not require three feet long black over-cliched trenchcoat to hide. Regular Army Standard Issue, everyone gets one so there are many like it (but this one is mine).
I think that's an awesome weapon <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Heard a lot of good things about it...
I wish Canada was like America with less firearm restrictions...But I guess it's for the good eh? Can't own much up here in the north... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> OMG thats the fargen PSG1, its illigal in CA but sooo damn nice..... I think I have a clicky to it in my first reply to this post
One of my all-time favourite Pistols is the Colt 1911 .45. It's just beautiful.
For assault rifles there's just something about the beauty of a good ol' Garand. They're purty. I know they're semi-auto, but they're still assault rifles.
And the SSG-3000 is a REAL purty sniper rifle. Or the SVD Dragonuv.
<!--QuoteBegin--(SoD)BOO+Aug 18 2003, 04:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ((SoD)BOO @ Aug 18 2003, 04:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Aug 18 2003, 03:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Aug 18 2003, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The best Weapon in the world, Most dealy, most powerful, most simple to create, most user friendly and distructive is...
Biological weapons
Something the size of a pen could hold enough bio wep to wipe out the world in 20 years, Its possible! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah but if someone did that...that would just be crazy...
*thinks about all the crazy people in the world... shivers... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Luckily, most of the crazy people aren't all that intelligent, so they can't get a hold of it so easily.
<!--QuoteBegin--RaVe+Aug 18 2003, 11:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Aug 18 2003, 11:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Your brain....in a sense that you should know all flaws of the person you're going up against
But then again there's the pen....*sigh*
Now here's the big question....Big guns or brain?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> or both. Or is that impossible....
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Windelkron+Aug 16 2003, 12:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Aug 16 2003, 12:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd say the best portable gun would be the OICW because it's so versatile (except in cqb of course) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Here is something interesting takinig from a US Army officer working with the OICW weapon that I found somewhere and had saved. It may burst some bubbles. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...perhaps the weakest link of the OICW equation, is the fire-control computer, video camera, 6x scope, and laser rangefinder. This impressive piece of technology is arguably the most advanced hand-held weapon component ever built. However, the OICW design contains significant shortcomings with this system. In order for the OICW to be effective in combat, the computerized fire control module is used. While iron sights could be used for the KE module, and possibly for the HE module (in point detonation mode), the advantages of the OICW rely solely on the technology. Once the batteries run out, or the computer system takes any significant damage, the entire weapon system loses its significant battlefield advantage. In many press photos of the OICW, the weapon has a bayonet attached to it. Perhaps the bayonet is available in the event that the batteries run out. Imagine the lucky enemy of future battlefields that gets a solid bayoneting from an IOCW wielding Infantryman low on batteries. That enemy soldier can die knowing his death was ironic in the sense it took a 60-dollar bayonet attached to an $18,000 bayonet holder to kill him.
The OICW is bulky, and currently too heavy for Infantry use. The prototype weighs in at 18lbs, yet designers plan on using exotic, ultra-light materials to get the weight down to about 14lbs. OICW designers also point out that the current M4 carbine with all its attached equipment weighs in comparably. This is a decent counter-argument against making future weapons heavier than current ones, but not an effective argument against why future weapons cannot ever be lighter than current ones. With all its technology, the OICW will become the new complaint of the Infantry soldier if it retains its high weight. In terms of practical design, the OICW is a cumbersome, awkward beast. In 1998 at Fort Bragg, the author of this article had the privilege of playing around with the non-firing prototype OICW. While chatting with the OICW engineer, I took the weapon and laid down in the prone with it at the Fort Bragg Officers Club. The 20mm magazine clunked against the ground, and my 68inch frame had a hard time gaining a comfortable sight picture with the weapon. To my dismay, the engineer exclaimed, ?gee, no ones ever laid on the ground with it before. They say you all will be firing mostly from the knee or standing.? While his comment may not be in accordance with the actual design work or research behind the OICW, it?s current configuration is all the argument required to demonstrate its problems. With a 30-round magazine in the KE module, the weapon is nearly impossible to lay in the prone with unsupported without resting all of the weapon on the rear HE magazine. Any basic rifle marksmanship trainer can tell you that resting a rifle on the magazine, or any part of the weapon without incorporating a ?bipod? position (normally your elbows with the M16) results in reduced stability and erratic shot patterns. Unfortunately, there is no solution for revamping the OICW design without significantly altering a weapon that has been on the design board for over ten years. Apparently, the weapon is a blast to shoot from the kneeling, or standing position. For peacekeeping missions, the OICW will look marvelous slung on the back of American soldiers pulling details or guarding checkpoints. As for combat missions, did any researchers for the OICW take into account actions from Panama, Somalia, or even the Russian fiasco of Grozny? Soldiers that survived those incidents were fighting in the prone, period.
Batteries and bullets are both serious logistical burdens for the OICW. The current catch phrase in the supply and support field is logistical footprint. Future weapon systems are supposed to reduce their logistical footprint, yet the OICW makes a larger one. In terms of batteries, the OICW will be a glutton. Unless the Army mandates rechargeable, long-lasting OICW batteries, both the cost of replacing them and the burden of supplying them to the Infantry will hinder the overall lethality the OICW designers promise. As for the KE module rounds, the cost will remain the same as the M4. However, the HE module advanced 20mm smart round will certainly cost a great deal. Like the current Javelin and TOW IIA rounds of today, will future OICW riflemen have to fire training rounds and simulators and get to watch one soldier from their company fire the actual round twice per year? Furthermore, the most ignored weapon at JRTC and NTC is certainly the M203 and MK-19 gunner. There is no MILES system or fire-marker method to track the weapon, so the system either gets left at the unit, or the M203 gunner lugs it around the training centers and merely qualifies twice per year. All M203 gunners in conventional units have questionable lethality due to inexperience. Will the same fate await the OICW gunner with his HE module? If so, then a large portion of the OICW will not even get used!
Another serious problem with the OICW is cost. This weapon originally was intended to be used by every Infantry soldier, however now the Army plans on purchasing 20,000 OICWs and issuing them out to four out of nine members of the standard infantry squad. The estimated price for each OICW is about $18,000. The current M16A2 costs $586, yet with all of its attachments the total cost increases to over $20,000. While the M16 attachments do increase the overall expense of the weapon, future technology designed to replace it should, in theory, reduce the costs, and at least reduce the weight. The OICW does neither, and may not even be as lethal.
While nearly all other armies are shifting towards bullpup designed rifles with outstanding weight ratios and overall low cost, the American OICW program goes in the opposite direction. While the OICW HE module is, indeed, a bullpup, the KE module is not; therefore the actual rifle becomes the secondary projectile on the OICW, and the grenade launcher takes precedence, both in size, weight, configuration, and cost. With such an emphasis on the grenade projectile capabilities, weapon critics are quick to argue that even the 20mm round may not be large enough to inflict the amount of damage required to increase the lethality of the OICW to five times that of the M16A2. Designers of the OICW plan on the maximum effective range of the 20mm round being about 1000 meters, roughly twice that of the M203, yet can the 20mm round beat out the larger M203 punch? With only six rounds per magazine, the OICW soldier in semi-automatic mode would be challenged to out-perform the lethality of the M249 SAW, or even the legacy M-60A3 machine gun still used by the Navy and Marines. These weapons will be over 40-50 years old by the time 2008 rolls around and the OICW becomes standard issue.
Recommendation: Take the current OICW and design a competition against current and future technology weapons on the market. The evaluation should take into consideration the lethality, cost, logistical footprint, range, and other measurable qualities that encompass both the strengths and weaknesses of the OICW. If this test does not occur before issuing out the OICW, it most certainly will occur on the first battlefield after their issue. However, the author hopes that it does not take the deaths of soldiers to point out weaknesses in issued equipment, like the Marine?s Osprey, MRPS reserve parachute, or the early Bradley. Other weapons that would be formidable opponents to the OICW are the IMI Tavor TAR-21, Israel?s bullpup composite rifle, or the state of the art Singapore SAR-21 bullpup rifle. Even the Chinese Army has converted over to the bullpup with the QBZ-95 rifle, now standard issue in the People?s Republic. All of these other weapons are significantly lighter than the OICW, cost less, and are extremely competitive. For instance, the SAR-21 is zeroed right out of the box, and requires no re-zeroing regardless of the shooter. The SAR-21 can mount a grenade launcher, and has superior optics and a mountable scope. The rounds are cheap, and the weapon is extremely light and short, due to the bullpup design. Soldiers can fight with it in any environment, and enjoy the advantage of having a long-barrel rifle in a carbine body. The OICW rifleman has a large, cumbersome, heavy weapon with expensive rounds, an inability to fire effectively without the weapons computer on, and lacks the long-barrel advantages a bullpup gives a rifle. Perhaps the OICW can kill more soldiers in theory, but until the Army takes the Pepsi Challenge against other formidable alternate weapon systems, the OICW will remain an untested enigma. In closing, this author fears that the OICW has become too large a developmental system to defeat in evaluations, as these projects often crush opposition because the alternative would mean the OICW and all it?s research grants be cut. The final question posed is not how much the OICW is going to cost America, but how much America is willing to spend on the lives of the 18 year old recruits of 2009 (Americans born in 1991).
CPT Ben Zweibelson INF Fort Benning ICCC<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Davis: you are talking about this right? <a href='http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/military/m29.html' target='_blank'>clicky</a>
and the reason there IS a development stage for a weapon is to iron out any difficulties that could result from its use.
I think it has massive potential, but I doubt it will "replace" the ar-15 any time soon. (seeing as it took what like 10 years to move up from the 14 to the 15?) resistance to change <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
The Javelin system consists of the Command Launch Unit (CLU) and the round. The CLU, with a carry weight of 6.4kg, incorporates a passive target acquisition and fire control unit with an integrated day sight and a thermal imaging sight. The sight uses DRS Technologies second-generation thermal imaging technology, based on the Standard Advanced Dewar Assembly (SADA IIIA). The company also provides the quieter, dual-opposed piston coolers for the sight. The gunner's controls for the missile system are on the CLU. The day sight is equipped with x 4 magnification and the night sight with x 4 and x 9 magnification optics.
The round consists of the Javelin missile and the ATK (Alliant Techsystems) Launch Tube Assembly. The range of the missile is 2,500m. Javelin is a fire-and-forget missile with lock-on before launch and automatic self-guidance. The missile is equipped with an imaging infrared seeker which is based on a cadmium mercury telluride (CdHgTe) 64 x 64 staring focal plane array in the eight to twelve micron waveband. The tandem warhead is fitted with two shaped charges: a precursor warhead to initiate explosive reactive armour and a main warhead to penetrate base armour. The propulsion system is a two-stage solid propellant design which provides a minimum smoke soft launch.
The system is deployed and ready to fire in less than 30s and the reload time is less than 20s. The missile is mounted on the Command Launch Unit and the gunner engages the target using the sight on the CLU, by placing a curser box over the image of the target. The gunner locks on the automatic target tracker in the missile by sending a lock-on-before-launch command to the missile. When the system is locked-on, the missile is ready to fire and the gunner does not carry out post launch tracking or missile guidance. Unlike conventional wire guided, fibre-optic cable guided, or laser beam riding missiles, Javelin is autonomously guided to the target after launch, leaving the gunner free to reposition or reload immediately after launch.
A soft launch ejects the missile from the launch tube to give a low-recoil shoulder launch. The soft launch enables firing from inside buildings or covered positions. Once the missile is clear, the larger propellant in the second stage is ignited and the missile is propelled towards the target. The weapon has two attack modes, direct or top attack. The gunner selects direct attack mode to engage covered targets, bunkers, buildings and helicopters. The top attack mode is selected against tanks, in which case the Javelin climbs above and strikes down on the target to penetrate the roof of the tank where there is the least armour protection. The missile is launched at an 18° elevation angle to reach a peak altitude of 150m in top attack mode and 50m in direct fire mode
coilgun > railgun. Same principal, but the electromagnets are coiled around to form a barrel instead of being straight rails. Shorter barrel for the same kick.
Can I have a link to the railgun thingy? Like info etc.. looks cool.
Hmm in terms of 'if-you-can-hit-your-man-then-its-lethal' or 'portable' or 'overall deadliness if in the right hands', I think Singapore's SAR-21 wins hands down. As mentioned in the post earlier about the OICW the SAR-21 is a formidable weapon. Did some research on it, take a look.
sheena: Oh damn. If I'm not missing something, you must see the target in order to bust it. It would have been cooler if you could shoot it over hills etc. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Aug 19 2003, 11:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Aug 19 2003, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> sheena: Oh damn. If I'm not missing something, you must see the target in order to bust it. It would have been cooler if you could shoot it over hills etc. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> when you have the characteristics of your target saved into the missile you could do that.. .. it aims with thermal vision and image recognition.. when you aim ,the aiming system overlays your target with a bracket,your job is to identify the target,and mark it with your cursorbox.. the missile is able to memorize the shape,size and heat signature of the target.. when this informations are preset in the weapon you just have visual identify the target with drones and other stuff,transmit the information to the gun,or select the presetting and fire..
the weapon climbs at high altitude, and in the short periode of descent acceleration it recognize the target itself from the memory informations it got saved.. the missile can even differ between destroyed and intact vehicles. ( not hard.. because theres not much left to identify when the javelin hits one time)
Well a linear exacelarator is really powerful but its not really a weapon. How about the supergun aka project babylon ? <img src='http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/other/02_supergun-s.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
WTH is that? explanation ? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> looks like a rocket engine test on that pic... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Early in the war with Iran, the Iraqi government engaged world- renowned artillery expert Gerald V. Bull, whose lifetime obsession was a the construction of a "Supergun," a huge howitzer able to fire satellites into space or launch artillery shells thousands of miles into enemy territory. While he did not accomplish that dream, Bull did manage to design some of the most effective artillery pieces in the world.
A Canadian-born astro-physicist, Bull had earlier research contracts with with the United States Army, the Canadian Department of Defense and McGill University. While working on the Canadian Velvet Glove missile project, he realized that scientific instruments could also be fired from a gun and survive if put in a proper casing. In 1962 Bull obtained US military support for the joint U.S./Canadian High Altitude Research Program [HARP]. Initially working from a facility on the island of Barbados, a small 5-inch gun was used to fire projectiles to an altitude of over 70 km, and a 7-inch guns fired projectiles to nearly 100 km. Subsequently, in Arizona a larger HARP gun was fabricated by welding together a pair of 16-inch battleship guns, forming a barrel some 30 meters long. The gun was used to fire light-weight sub-caliber discarding-sabot projectiles called Martletts. On 19 November 1966 the gun fired a 185-lb Martlet to an altitude of 180 km. The 16 inch HARP gun was intended to launch a small three stage rocket carrying a 10 kg payload into space. However, the Canadian and US governments terminated HARP funding in 1967. Bull severed his association with the Pentagon in the 1970's and set up companies and agreements to sell improved versions of technology he developed to a number of foreign governments, including Iran, Chile, Taiwan and China. Working through his own Quebec firm, Space Research Corporation, and a Belgium subsidiary, European Poudreries Reunies de Belgique, Bull was able to produce his most formidable battlefield artillery piece, the GC-45 gun, known to fire a shell 25 miles with a throw weight twice that of guns used by Western armies. He was sentenced and jailed for one year in 1980 for illegally selling weapons to South Africa, despite the US arms embargo.
Shortly after the Iran-Iraq War began, the Iraqi government dispatched a private aircraft to Geneva to take Bull to Baghdad. So began a long association between Bull and the government of Iraq, and its then-defense minister, Saddam Hussein. Bull dealt with Iraq for almost 10 years. Iraq was one of many states with guns developed by Bull. His clients are known to include his native Canada, the United States, South Africa, Iran, Chile, Taiwan, China, and Libya.
Most worrisome in Iraq's arsenal of guns developed by Gerald Bull from mid-1981 until he was assassinated on 22 March 1990, were its 300 155 millimeter howitzers, all versions of the GC-45 gun that Bull developed in the 1970's. Two hundred of these guns, termed GH-N-45 and manufactured in Austria, were shipped to Iraq via Jordan in 1985 for use in the Iran-Iraq war. The remaining 100 were manufactured in South Africa, where they are marketed under the name G-5. The G-5 can deliver a tactical nuclear warhead, chemical shells or any NATO standard 155mm shell.
Bull also designed two advanced self-propelled artillery systems for the Iraqis: the 210-millimeter Al Fao and the 155 millimeter Majnoon. The Al Fao, which weighs 48 tons, can fire four 109 kilogram rounds a minute for 35 miles from its 11-meter barrel. The Iraqis claim that the Al Fao and Majnoon can attain a top speed of 72-88 kilometers an hour on the road.
Also worrisome were Bull-modified missile warheads, which increased the range of Iraq's Scud missiles.
Under Project Babylon, Bull extended his HARP gun design to build the barrel in segments, with a total length of 512 feet. The gun would be able to fire 600 kg projectile to a range of 1,000 kilometers, or a 2,000 kg rocket-assisted projectile into orbit. As a component of Project Babylon, Bull built a smaller gun, nick-named Baby Babylon, as a prototype for the larger gun. This 40 meter long gun was first constructed for horizontal testing in the summer of 1989, and installed at Jabal Hamrayn, ninety miles north of Baghdad, in central Iraq [Jabal Hamrin MTS 34°30'N 44°30'E]. The gun was positioned along a mountainside at an agle of about 45 degrees.
In documents filed with the UN Special Commission 18 July 1991, Iraq admitted possessing a gun with a barrel 350 millimeters wide and 45 meters long and that it was building a second one. The commission noted that the gun would have been inaccurate for conventional armaments, and that it was trying to determine if the weapon was intended for chemical, biological, or nuclear use. The superguns were potentially capable of firing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons to a range of up to 1,000 km. The high-ranking Iraqi defector Gen. Hussein Kamel al-Majeed said Iraq was working on a space weapon launched from the supergun.
"It was meant for long-range attack and also to blind spy satellites. Our scientists were seriously working on that. It was designed to explode a shell in space that would have sprayed a sticky material on the satellite and blinded it." He also said the supergun could have delivered a nuclear device.
Following the Gulf War UN teams destroyed one 350 mm. supergun, components of a 1000 mm. supergun, and supergun propellant. Iraq used the petrochemical complex two (PC-2) project as a front to purchase components for Gerald Bull's super gun. Matrix Churchill was a long established Midlands based machine tool manufacturer which was purchased in 1987 by an Iraqi controlled company, TMG Engineering Ltd, which was in turn controlled by another Iraqi controlled company, Technology and Development Group Ltd (TDG). The military uses of Matrix-Churchill machines are the prime reason Iraq was interested in purchasing the company. Acquiring Matrix-Churchill gave Iraq access, not only to the machine tools, but also the computer programming, tooling, and other components needed to make a wide variety of munitions as well as other applications in aerospace and nuclear industries. The Iraqi NASSR Establishment for Mechanical Industries contracted with the company for the supply of machine tools for a project, code named "ABA", to manufacture parts for multi launcher rocket systems. In addition, supergun components were fabricated in separate parts by factories in England, Spain, Holland and Switzerland. Acting on an anonymous tip, British Customs seized the final eight sections of the Super Gun in November 1990. The work skirted the law but remained legal, as illustrated by Britain's unsuccessful prosecution of the case, following the joint British-American sting operation that uncovered key supergun equipment transfers. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Caliber: 7.62x39 mm or 5.56x45mm NATO (export versions only) Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt Overall length: 914 mm Barrel length: 420 mm Weigth: 3.5 kg Magazine capacity: 30 rds
All of those values are not absolutely accurate but it's a pretty neat gun anyway. I wasn't going to post this but I did because my brother convinced me of it's greatness. There are several variants(Rk62, Rk95) but this seems to be the best. Light weighted, effecient, works well in hazardous enviroment(sand, snow, heat, cold) and is accurate. At least my bro says it's accurate and I believe him when he says he can hit a matchbox from 300meters.
And it's cheap <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> It's basically a better version of Ak-47.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
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of course, nobody likes or is sympathetic to the WWII nazis' cause...
but i really have to hand it to them for being so far ahead of their time.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The largest gun ever built had an operational career of 13 days, during which a total of 48 shells were fired in anger. It took 25 trainloads of equipment, 2000 men and up to six weeks to assemble. It seems unlikely that such a weapon will ever be seen again. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Aug 19 2003, 11:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Aug 19 2003, 11:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whoa... now that's just scary. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> isn't it, though? just imagine the <i>SOUND</i>... the <i>thunder</i>. the stories of the bigger german railway cannons aren't very widely known, i think. fascinating stuff.
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Gaming wise.. the FarSight from Perfect Dark. ~_^
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Canadian snipers, best snipers in the world, IMO are dangerous.
I forgot how far one guy shot, but it was hella long, 2,430 meters.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why's that? A shooting isn't everything, it's Hitting the target that counts. ^_^
I think that's an awesome weapon <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Heard a lot of good things about it...
I wish Canada was like America with less firearm restrictions...But I guess it's for the good eh?
Can't own much up here in the north... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
even tho' the PSG1 is really old, it's really f*cking good. nodouttaboudit. because of the cold hammer forging process, it has a spankinass barrel that'll deliver shots of a group into an 80mm circle at 300 meters. whewt.
Cheap.
Customizable (add your favorite designs or even a wine opener).
Cleanable with regular rag.
Gets the job done.
Virtually untraceable (if need be).
Shows skill at close range (see Luc Besson's "The Professional" for further insight).
Does not require three feet long black over-cliched trenchcoat to hide.
Regular Army Standard Issue, everyone gets one so there are many like it (but this one is mine).
Gaming wise.. the FarSight from Perfect Dark. ~_^ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bleah. A sniper rifle with training wheels. Or, possibly, one for blind people <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Never made but was planned as project THOR.
Bigger bang than a nuke too.
I think that's an awesome weapon <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Heard a lot of good things about it...
I wish Canada was like America with less firearm restrictions...But I guess it's for the good eh?
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OMG thats the fargen PSG1, its illigal in CA but sooo damn nice..... I think I have a clicky to it in my first reply to this post
You could write about people and destroy them for as long as time lasts.
"The pen is mightier than the sword!"
For assault rifles there's just something about the beauty of a good ol' Garand. They're purty. I know they're semi-auto, but they're still assault rifles.
And the SSG-3000 is a REAL purty sniper rifle. Or the SVD Dragonuv.
You could write about people and destroy them for as long as time lasts.
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HAH!
Oi'll pleih yorh gaem, Trebek!!
THE PENlS MIGHTIEAH, FER FAIVE HAHNDRED!!
edit: i suppose oi'll take the <i>rapists</i> fer twenteyh.
Biological weapons
Something the size of a pen could hold enough bio wep to wipe out the world in 20 years, Its possible! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah but if someone did that...that would just be crazy...
*thinks about all the crazy people in the world... shivers... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Luckily, most of the crazy people aren't all that intelligent, so they can't get a hold of it so easily.
But then again there's the pen....*sigh*
Now here's the big question....Big guns or brain??
But then again there's the pen....*sigh*
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or both. Or is that impossible....
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Here is something interesting takinig from a US Army officer working with the OICW weapon that I found somewhere and had saved. It may burst some bubbles. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...perhaps the weakest link of the OICW equation, is the fire-control computer, video camera, 6x scope, and laser rangefinder. This impressive piece of technology is arguably the most advanced hand-held weapon component ever built. However, the OICW design contains significant shortcomings with this system. In order for the OICW to be effective in combat, the computerized fire control module is used. While iron sights could be used for the KE module, and possibly for the HE module (in point detonation mode), the advantages of the OICW rely solely on the technology. Once the batteries run out, or the computer system takes any significant damage, the entire weapon system loses its significant battlefield advantage. In many press photos of the OICW, the weapon has a bayonet attached to it. Perhaps the bayonet is available in the event that the batteries run out. Imagine the lucky enemy of future battlefields that gets a solid bayoneting from an IOCW wielding Infantryman low on batteries. That enemy soldier can die knowing his death was ironic in the sense it took a 60-dollar bayonet attached to an $18,000 bayonet holder to kill him.
The OICW is bulky, and currently too heavy for Infantry use. The prototype weighs in at 18lbs, yet designers plan on using exotic, ultra-light materials to get the weight down to about 14lbs. OICW designers also point out that the current M4 carbine with all its attached equipment weighs in comparably. This is a decent counter-argument against making future weapons heavier than current ones, but not an effective argument against why future weapons cannot ever be lighter than current ones. With all its technology, the OICW will become the new complaint of the Infantry soldier if it retains its high weight. In terms of practical design, the OICW is a cumbersome, awkward beast. In 1998 at Fort Bragg, the author of this article had the privilege of playing around with the non-firing prototype OICW. While chatting with the OICW engineer, I took the weapon and laid down in the prone with it at the Fort Bragg Officers Club. The 20mm magazine clunked against the ground, and my 68inch frame had a hard time gaining a comfortable sight picture with the weapon. To my dismay, the engineer exclaimed, ?gee, no ones ever laid on the ground with it before. They say you all will be firing mostly from the knee or standing.? While his comment may not be in accordance with the actual design work or research behind the OICW, it?s current configuration is all the argument required to demonstrate its problems. With a 30-round magazine in the KE module, the weapon is nearly impossible to lay in the prone with unsupported without resting all of the weapon on the rear HE magazine. Any basic rifle marksmanship trainer can tell you that resting a rifle on the magazine, or any part of the weapon without incorporating a ?bipod? position (normally your elbows with the M16) results in reduced stability and erratic shot patterns. Unfortunately, there is no solution for revamping the OICW design without significantly altering a weapon that has been on the design board for over ten years. Apparently, the weapon is a blast to shoot from the kneeling, or standing position. For peacekeeping missions, the OICW will look marvelous slung on the back of American soldiers pulling details or guarding checkpoints. As for combat missions, did any researchers for the OICW take into account actions from Panama, Somalia, or even the Russian fiasco of Grozny? Soldiers that survived those incidents were fighting in the prone, period.
Batteries and bullets are both serious logistical burdens for the OICW. The current catch phrase in the supply and support field is logistical footprint. Future weapon systems are supposed to reduce their logistical footprint, yet the OICW makes a larger one. In terms of batteries, the OICW will be a glutton. Unless the Army mandates rechargeable, long-lasting OICW batteries, both the cost of replacing them and the burden of supplying them to the Infantry will hinder the overall lethality the OICW designers promise. As for the KE module rounds, the cost will remain the same as the M4. However, the HE module advanced 20mm smart round will certainly cost a great deal. Like the current Javelin and TOW IIA rounds of today, will future OICW riflemen have to fire training rounds and simulators and get to watch one soldier from their company fire the actual round twice per year? Furthermore, the most ignored weapon at JRTC and NTC is certainly the M203 and MK-19 gunner. There is no MILES system or fire-marker method to track the weapon, so the system either gets left at the unit, or the M203 gunner lugs it around the training centers and merely qualifies twice per year. All M203 gunners in conventional units have questionable lethality due to inexperience. Will the same fate await the OICW gunner with his HE module? If so, then a large portion of the OICW will not even get used!
Another serious problem with the OICW is cost. This weapon originally was intended to be used by every Infantry soldier, however now the Army plans on purchasing 20,000 OICWs and issuing them out to four out of nine members of the standard infantry squad. The estimated price for each OICW is about $18,000. The current M16A2 costs $586, yet with all of its attachments the total cost increases to over $20,000. While the M16 attachments do increase the overall expense of the weapon, future technology designed to replace it should, in theory, reduce the costs, and at least reduce the weight. The OICW does neither, and may not even be as lethal.
While nearly all other armies are shifting towards bullpup designed rifles with outstanding weight ratios and overall low cost, the American OICW program goes in the opposite direction. While the OICW HE module is, indeed, a bullpup, the KE module is not; therefore the actual rifle becomes the secondary projectile on the OICW, and the grenade launcher takes precedence, both in size, weight, configuration, and cost. With such an emphasis on the grenade projectile capabilities, weapon critics are quick to argue that even the 20mm round may not be large enough to inflict the amount of damage required to increase the lethality of the OICW to five times that of the M16A2. Designers of the OICW plan on the maximum effective range of the 20mm round being about 1000 meters, roughly twice that of the M203, yet can the 20mm round beat out the larger M203 punch? With only six rounds per magazine, the OICW soldier in semi-automatic mode would be challenged to out-perform the lethality of the M249 SAW, or even the legacy M-60A3 machine gun still used by the Navy and Marines. These weapons will be over 40-50 years old by the time 2008 rolls around and the OICW becomes standard issue.
Recommendation: Take the current OICW and design a competition against current and future technology weapons on the market. The evaluation should take into consideration the lethality, cost, logistical footprint, range, and other measurable qualities that encompass both the strengths and weaknesses of the OICW. If this test does not occur before issuing out the OICW, it most certainly will occur on the first battlefield after their issue. However, the author hopes that it does not take the deaths of soldiers to point out weaknesses in issued equipment, like the Marine?s Osprey, MRPS reserve parachute, or the early Bradley. Other weapons that would be formidable opponents to the OICW are the IMI Tavor TAR-21, Israel?s bullpup composite rifle, or the state of the art Singapore SAR-21 bullpup rifle. Even the Chinese Army has converted over to the bullpup with the QBZ-95 rifle, now standard issue in the People?s Republic. All of these other weapons are significantly lighter than the OICW, cost less, and are extremely competitive. For instance, the SAR-21 is zeroed right out of the box, and requires no re-zeroing regardless of the shooter. The SAR-21 can mount a grenade launcher, and has superior optics and a mountable scope. The rounds are cheap, and the weapon is extremely light and short, due to the bullpup design. Soldiers can fight with it in any environment, and enjoy the advantage of having a long-barrel rifle in a carbine body. The OICW rifleman has a large, cumbersome, heavy weapon with expensive rounds, an inability to fire effectively without the weapons computer on, and lacks the long-barrel advantages a bullpup gives a rifle. Perhaps the OICW can kill more soldiers in theory, but until the Army takes the Pepsi Challenge against other formidable alternate weapon systems, the OICW will remain an untested enigma. In closing, this author fears that the OICW has become too large a developmental system to defeat in evaluations, as these projects often crush opposition because the alternative would mean the OICW and all it?s research grants be cut. The final question posed is not how much the OICW is going to cost America, but how much America is willing to spend on the lives of the 18 year old recruits of 2009 (Americans born in 1991).
CPT Ben Zweibelson
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and the reason there IS a development stage for a weapon is to iron out any difficulties that could result from its use.
I think it has massive potential, but I doubt it will "replace" the ar-15 any time soon. (seeing as it took what like 10 years to move up from the 14 to the 15?) resistance to change <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just wondering.
<img src='http://www.army-technology.com/projects/javelin/images/jav2s.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
The round consists of the Javelin missile and the ATK (Alliant Techsystems) Launch Tube Assembly. The range of the missile is 2,500m. Javelin is a fire-and-forget missile with lock-on before launch and automatic self-guidance. The missile is equipped with an imaging infrared seeker which is based on a cadmium mercury telluride (CdHgTe) 64 x 64 staring focal plane array in the eight to twelve micron waveband. The tandem warhead is fitted with two shaped charges: a precursor warhead to initiate explosive reactive armour and a main warhead to penetrate base armour. The propulsion system is a two-stage solid propellant design which provides a minimum smoke soft launch.
<img src='http://www.army-technology.com/projects/javelin/images/jav14s.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
OPERATI0N
The system is deployed and ready to fire in less than 30s and the reload time is less than 20s. The missile is mounted on the Command Launch Unit and the gunner engages the target using the sight on the CLU, by placing a curser box over the image of the target. The gunner locks on the automatic target tracker in the missile by sending a lock-on-before-launch command to the missile. When the system is locked-on, the missile is ready to fire and the gunner does not carry out post launch tracking or missile guidance. Unlike conventional wire guided, fibre-optic cable guided, or laser beam riding missiles, Javelin is autonomously guided to the target after launch, leaving the gunner free to reposition or reload immediately after launch.
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A soft launch ejects the missile from the launch tube to give a low-recoil shoulder launch. The soft launch enables firing from inside buildings or covered positions. Once the missile is clear, the larger propellant in the second stage is ignited and the missile is propelled towards the target. The weapon has two attack modes, direct or top attack. The gunner selects direct attack mode to engage covered targets, bunkers, buildings and helicopters. The top attack mode is selected against tanks, in which case the Javelin climbs above and strikes down on the target to penetrate the roof of the tank where there is the least armour protection. The missile is launched at an 18° elevation angle to reach a peak altitude of 150m in top attack mode and 50m in direct fire mode
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Hmm in terms of 'if-you-can-hit-your-man-then-its-lethal' or 'portable' or 'overall deadliness if in the right hands', I think Singapore's SAR-21 wins hands down. As mentioned in the post earlier about the OICW the SAR-21 is a formidable weapon. Did some research on it, take a look.
<a href='http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as31-e.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as31-e.htm</a>
when you have the characteristics of your target saved into the missile you could do that.. .. it aims with thermal vision and image recognition..
when you aim ,the aiming system overlays your target with a bracket,your job is to identify the target,and mark it with your cursorbox.. the missile is able to memorize the shape,size and heat signature of the target..
when this informations are preset in the weapon you just have visual identify the target with drones and other stuff,transmit the information to the gun,or select the presetting and fire..
the weapon climbs at high altitude, and in the short periode of descent acceleration it recognize the target itself from the memory informations it got saved.. the missile can even differ between destroyed and intact vehicles. ( not hard.. because theres not much left to identify when the javelin hits one time)
? <img src='http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/other/02_supergun-s.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
looks like a rocket engine test on that pic... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Early in the war with Iran, the Iraqi government engaged world- renowned artillery expert Gerald V. Bull, whose lifetime obsession was a the construction of a "Supergun," a huge howitzer able to fire satellites into space or launch artillery shells thousands of miles into enemy territory. While he did not accomplish that dream, Bull did manage to design some of the most effective artillery pieces in the world.
A Canadian-born astro-physicist, Bull had earlier research contracts with with the United States Army, the Canadian Department of Defense and McGill University. While working on the Canadian Velvet Glove missile project, he realized that scientific instruments could also be fired from a gun and survive if put in a proper casing. In 1962 Bull obtained US military support for the joint U.S./Canadian High Altitude Research Program [HARP]. Initially working from a facility on the island of Barbados, a small 5-inch gun was used to fire projectiles to an altitude of over 70 km, and a 7-inch guns fired projectiles to nearly 100 km. Subsequently, in Arizona a larger HARP gun was fabricated by welding together a pair of 16-inch battleship guns, forming a barrel some 30 meters long. The gun was used to fire light-weight sub-caliber discarding-sabot projectiles called Martletts. On 19 November 1966 the gun fired a 185-lb Martlet to an altitude of 180 km. The 16 inch HARP gun was intended to launch a small three stage rocket carrying a 10 kg payload into space. However, the Canadian and US governments terminated HARP funding in 1967.
Bull severed his association with the Pentagon in the 1970's and set up companies and agreements to sell improved versions of technology he developed to a number of foreign governments, including Iran, Chile, Taiwan and China. Working through his own Quebec firm, Space Research Corporation, and a Belgium subsidiary, European Poudreries Reunies de Belgique, Bull was able to produce his most formidable battlefield artillery piece, the GC-45 gun, known to fire a shell 25 miles with a throw weight twice that of guns used by Western armies. He was sentenced and jailed for one year in 1980 for illegally selling weapons to South Africa, despite the US arms embargo.
Shortly after the Iran-Iraq War began, the Iraqi government dispatched a private aircraft to Geneva to take Bull to Baghdad. So began a long association between Bull and the government of Iraq, and its then-defense minister, Saddam Hussein. Bull dealt with Iraq for almost 10 years. Iraq was one of many states with guns developed by Bull. His clients are known to include his native Canada, the United States, South Africa, Iran, Chile, Taiwan, China, and Libya.
Most worrisome in Iraq's arsenal of guns developed by Gerald Bull from mid-1981 until he was assassinated on 22 March 1990, were its 300 155 millimeter howitzers, all versions of the GC-45 gun that Bull developed in the 1970's. Two hundred of these guns, termed GH-N-45 and manufactured in Austria, were shipped to Iraq via Jordan in 1985 for use in the Iran-Iraq war. The remaining 100 were manufactured in South Africa, where they are marketed under the name G-5. The G-5 can deliver a tactical nuclear warhead, chemical shells or any NATO standard 155mm shell.
Bull also designed two advanced self-propelled artillery systems for the Iraqis: the 210-millimeter Al Fao and the 155 millimeter Majnoon. The Al Fao, which weighs 48 tons, can fire four 109 kilogram rounds a minute for 35 miles from its 11-meter barrel. The Iraqis claim that the Al Fao and Majnoon can attain a top speed of 72-88 kilometers an hour on the road.
Also worrisome were Bull-modified missile warheads, which increased the range of Iraq's Scud missiles.
Under Project Babylon, Bull extended his HARP gun design to build the barrel in segments, with a total length of 512 feet. The gun would be able to fire 600 kg projectile to a range of 1,000 kilometers, or a 2,000 kg rocket-assisted projectile into orbit.
As a component of Project Babylon, Bull built a smaller gun, nick-named Baby Babylon, as a prototype for the larger gun. This 40 meter long gun was first constructed for horizontal testing in the summer of 1989, and installed at Jabal Hamrayn, ninety miles north of Baghdad, in central Iraq [Jabal Hamrin MTS 34°30'N 44°30'E]. The gun was positioned along a mountainside at an agle of about 45 degrees.
In documents filed with the UN Special Commission 18 July 1991, Iraq admitted possessing a gun with a barrel 350 millimeters wide and 45 meters long and that it was building a second one. The commission noted that the gun would have been inaccurate for conventional armaments, and that it was trying to determine if the weapon was intended for chemical, biological, or nuclear use. The superguns were potentially capable of firing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons to a range of up to 1,000 km.
The high-ranking Iraqi defector Gen. Hussein Kamel al-Majeed said Iraq was working on a space weapon launched from the supergun.
"It was meant for long-range attack and also to blind spy satellites. Our scientists were seriously working on that. It was designed to explode a shell in space that would have sprayed a sticky material on the satellite and blinded it."
He also said the supergun could have delivered a nuclear device.
Following the Gulf War UN teams destroyed one 350 mm. supergun, components of a 1000 mm. supergun, and supergun propellant.
Iraq used the petrochemical complex two (PC-2) project as a front to purchase components for Gerald Bull's super gun. Matrix Churchill was a long established Midlands based machine tool manufacturer which was purchased in 1987 by an Iraqi controlled company, TMG Engineering Ltd, which was in turn controlled by another Iraqi controlled company, Technology and Development Group Ltd (TDG). The military uses of Matrix-Churchill machines are the prime reason Iraq was interested in purchasing the company. Acquiring Matrix-Churchill gave Iraq access, not only to the machine tools, but also the computer programming, tooling, and other components needed to make a wide variety of munitions as well as other applications in aerospace and nuclear industries. The Iraqi NASSR Establishment for Mechanical Industries contracted with the company for the supply of machine tools for a project, code named "ABA", to manufacture parts for multi launcher rocket systems. In addition, supergun components were fabricated in separate parts by factories in England, Spain, Holland and Switzerland. Acting on an anonymous tip, British Customs seized the final eight sections of the Super Gun in November 1990. The work skirted the law but remained legal, as illustrated by Britain's unsuccessful prosecution of the case, following the joint British-American sting operation that uncovered key supergun equipment transfers.
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Here's my candidate btw:
<img src='http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/valmet_76_762.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Rk.76W
Caliber: 7.62x39 mm or 5.56x45mm NATO (export versions only)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 914 mm
Barrel length: 420 mm
Weigth: 3.5 kg
Magazine capacity: 30 rds
All of those values are not absolutely accurate but it's a pretty neat gun anyway. I wasn't going to post this but I did because my brother convinced me of it's greatness. There are several variants(Rk62, Rk95) but this seems to be the best. Light weighted, effecient, works well in hazardous enviroment(sand, snow, heat, cold) and is accurate. At least my bro says it's accurate and I believe him when he says he can hit a matchbox from 300meters.
And it's cheap <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> It's basically a better version of Ak-47.
but i really have to hand it to them for being so far ahead of their time.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The largest gun ever built had an operational career of 13 days, during which a total of 48 shells were fired in anger. It took 25 trainloads of equipment, 2000 men and up to six weeks to assemble. It seems unlikely that such a weapon will ever be seen again. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>This one's named Dora.</b>
<img src='http://www.cix.co.uk/~nrobinson/railgun/images/Railguns/Dora/doracol.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
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Built to tackle the Maginot Line forts, but beaten out of that job by the speed of the blitzkrieg.
edit: pix, 'cause you really can't just describe it.
isn't it, though? just imagine the <i>SOUND</i>... the <i>thunder</i>. the stories of the bigger german railway cannons aren't very widely known, i think. fascinating stuff.