Modern Day Communists
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<div class="IPBDescription">The good, the bad, the ugly?</div> PLEASE Do not reply to this unless you have some knowledge in ths area...I'll be able to tell if you don't <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> I'm just curious what everyone thinks of it, and try to dispell any rumours that you may Have heard about them/it.
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In my opinion pure "communism" (tracing back to the real roots of Marxist beliefs) is the ideal way to live. Everyone equal, serving the community with only the communities interest at heart. The main problem we face is that Communism itself has become associated with corruption and greed. Orwells "Animal Farm" shows this in more elegant words than I could ever utter so grab a copy and read it if you haven't already.
We also have to consider that Communism is founded in rebellion, the proletariat overthrowing the rich and powerful, this automatically leaves us with the fact that not everybody in the country will be happy with this change. The only way a true Communist society could work would be if we could find a country for all those of Communist/Socialist beliefs to move into and run as we see fit. But that stil leaves us with the problem of corruption at the highest levels...which comes back to my first point..ad infinitum
No, i'm not a Communist in the Party sense, but I do hold very strong Socialist beliefs.
In conclusion, communism are teh roxor, and Fidel is the coolest old cuban dude whatever was.
In conclusion, communism are teh roxor, and Fidel is the coolest old cuban dude whatever was. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Despite the fact that this is not communism, but socialism with a dictatorial twist, I believe you place too much faith in humanity. I would not trust my whole country's well-being to the whims of a single person.
*edit* unless, of course, you were being sarcastic.
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There hasn't ever been a true communist nation....Well, soviet russia was while Lenin was in power...he was actually a great human being
Hoping to implement it by means of a totalitarian dictatorship is not. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. (Cf. Stalin.)
ie if a guy started a company making dolls, and had 3 employees, and each doll was sold for $20, each man would get $5.
Clearly not the way it is now. Furthermore, marx stipulated that the road to communism or (or socialsim to be precise) leads through Capitalism. And if you carefully study the trend in the corporate world, things are slowly shifting (slowly being the key word) to what he belived the natural state of living would be.
Another main point people miss is that Marx wrote his theories durring the Industrial revolution when children as young as 12 were putting in 14 hour days in terrible conditions for little or no money. If he had a chance to revive his theories he surley would.
If you are part of a labor union you have Marx to thank.
I could spend hours talking about this stuff, I just dont have the time, the above didnt even scratch the surface of the topic.
*edit* unless, of course, you were being sarcastic. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is both socialism and communism, they both work the same in the beginning stages. What do you think communism is?
They work "in theory" the same in the beginning stages, only because marx/lenin didn't think up a better scheme. Communism is not socialism; the two have very different ends (and possibly means) in mind.
They work "in theory" the same in the beginning stages, only because marx/lenin didn't think up a better scheme. Communism is not socialism; the two have very different ends (and possibly means) in mind. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There needs to be a dumbest post of the year award.
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Congratulations are in order. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Democracy is a disaster on paper, but stable in application.
Communism is great on paper, but a disaster in application.
Or something along those lines... anyone seen that movie Brave New World? I think thats the name, but pretty much in the movie everyone was equal, had the same stuff, but individuality and free thought had pretty much been dulled through time. Because there was no want, everything was viewed as worthless. Im pretty sure that was the name of the movie, it ws based on a book by the same name. And IMHO, thats pretty much how communism would turn out if by some oddity it actually worked.
Once again, this is an example of SOCLIALISM, not what COMMUNISM would want to be in it's latter stages.
Democracy is a disaster on paper, but stable in application.
Communism is great on paper, but a disaster in application.
Or something along those lines... anyone seen that movie Brave New World? I think thats the name, but pretty much in the movie everyone was equal, had the same stuff, but individuality and free thought had pretty much been dulled through time. Because there was no want, everything was viewed as worthless. Im pretty sure that was the name of the movie, it ws based on a book by the same name. And IMHO, thats pretty much how communism would turn out if by some oddity it actually worked. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually Huxley's world wasn't at all communistic; society was split into layers with the higher ranking "grades" of people enjoying more privileges, wealth, freedom, etc. so no, Huxley was not aiming to portray communism. And there still was a government, if only behind the scenes.
They work "in theory" the same in the beginning stages, only because marx/lenin didn't think up a better scheme. Communism is not socialism; the two have very different ends (and possibly means) in mind. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lenin wasn't a creator of it, just a ruler...a good man too. Engel was Marx's friend
Of course, it's highly necessary that corporations no longer exist before this level of technological advancement occurs <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->. I was thinking maybe the government (a socialist tinted govt) could "front" a company that would buy every single other company in the entire country. It would employ all, produce all, and serve all. Then cut the crap and tell everyone it's really the government that regulates the economy now <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->. And democracy, and free speech, could of course be upheld. Where is the perception that socialism != freedom coming from?? The point is that socialism frees you from wage slavery because the state takes care of your needs, while capitalism forces you to take care of your OWN needs (in other words, you have to work).
Also, democracy, based on everyone being inherently equal... doesn't that fit with socialism, which "causes" everyone to become economically equal... ? Capitalism is based on inequality... why is it paired with democracy in this country?!?!
CWAG, Lenin was also a half-capitalist sort of like Deng Xiaoping; he allowed people to work for profit in some areas of russia. I guess that's ok bc it was under severe famine and whatnot. But I think its better to set a tradition of the state being the provider rather than the capitalism system.
*Ahem* But seriously, the above isnt too implausable. Which raises another question, in the future will countries be controlled by governments...or corperations? *Insert Dramatic Music*
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damn straight. damn straight.
either way, i don't know if it would work, or how well it would work, at this time.
if we as a species require some kind of next-level enlightenment or intelligence, or abstract thought processes to implement and maintain such a system (because our species, as-is, obviously cannot function perfectly under such an establishment), i believe we're not ready.
i know we're all smart people here.. but the sacrifices that obviously will have to be made to live in such an environment we cannot make at this time. you really can't deny it if you think hard enough about it.
edit: sorry if this comes as a sort of killjoy for anyone... but really, there's no thought required.
There's also the fact that centralisation is a Bad Thing. If the government owns all the big industries, it only takes one economic wrong turn to screw over the whole country. Capitalism is far more robust - since companies are privately owned (and so numerous), if one of them makes a poor decision and goes under it isn't going to screw the country as a whole, as there are others to take their place.
Besides, the bottom line is that the working class don't give a rat's arse about politics. They just want a fair deal, and for things to go on pretty much as they did last time. There's also the fact that humans are materialistic by nature - at times, communism is just an excuse for jealousy.
So... I don't believe in communism. I don't believe in unregulated capitalism, either. But communism is just way too flawed.
I read animal farm when i was about 11/12 and i was bored.
the one quote that stikes out in my mind is the animals motto "All animals are equal" this evntually through cuppotion and greed got twisted to "All animals are equal, though some are more equal than others." beautiful
So, what's the motivation to seek higher-levels jobs, such as being a doctor, physicist, etc., when you're earning the same as someone bussing tables. Or did I miss it completely <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->