You know what would be cool?

HBNayrHBNayr Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 930Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">This mods could use...</div>You should add a visibility gem to the screen!  And, uh, leaning.  And maybe some religious fanatics.  Oh, oh, and definitely include some water arrows for putting out those pesky torches!

I owned Thief: The Dark Project back in the day, and recently picked up Thief II on a whim.  Hooooo, boy, I wish I gotten around to it sooner.  If you folks shop around, you can find it for $5-$10 dollars, and it's worth every penny, and then some!  And some more.  And some more on top of that.  And then a little bit more.

Just something to hold you over while they finish polishing NS...

-Ryan!


"God does not play dice."
-- Albert Einstein

"Albert!  Stop telling God what to do!"
-- Neils Bohr
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  • LegionnairedLegionnaired Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 552Members, Constellation
    Theif is a great game, but I much more enjoyed Theif I than Theif II.

    Seriously though, if you haven't played it, DO SO!

    That game trained me how to be a sneeky ####### in EVERY GAME since then!
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  • realityisdeadrealityisdead Employed by Raven Software after making ns_nothing Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 94Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I agree. Thief and Thief 2 are some of the most original and involving games I've played. I really love the innovative new approach to gameplay. At least it used to be new. Like... 4 years ago. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->

    Really though, the games are still great. I MUCH prefer the gameplay of the second in the series though... the oringal degraded into mindless killing in the later levels. Blah.

    Regardless, do as the man says, and check the games out if you haven't... they rock! <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
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  • LegionnairedLegionnaired Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 552Members, Constellation
    Have you ever tried doing bafford's lythian style?

    Here's how:

    Get all the gold in the map
    Inflict no damage- thats right, no knockouts, nothing!
    Don't be seen
    Pick every pocket.

    I did it, with a total combined time of 6 hours...

    Phwew!
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  • GencideGencide Join Date: 2002-05-30 Member: 698Members
    I own Theif (my friend from long ago brought it over one day, moved away and ...well its mine now <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->) but anyway, I started playing it JUST the other month. I got to a mission where you have to tail these assassins that kill a shop keeper that supplied you with lock picks.

    I get caught by these fools every time and haven't played the game in awhile now. The movies are really cool but for some reason don't play on my computer cause they are too old for divX or something like that.

    Is Theif II good? I think if its only worth 10 bucks i'd buy it.
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  • LegionnairedLegionnaired Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 552Members, Constellation
    You cant get passed assassins?

    Try searching the net for guides,

    Mainly, stay quiet, stay back, and use moss arrows!
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  • HBNayrHBNayr Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 930Members
    Yeah, the tailing quests are kind of difficult.  The best advice I can offer is to keep an eye on that gem...try and keep it in the low yellow, or, ideally, black, keep the speakers turned up, and save as often as you can.

    The movies are not in DivX format, and you can watch them with Windows Media Player alone, I believe, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

    But thank you for bringing up the movies.  That was another amazing part of it.  The shadow-acting superimposed on a background mixed with the art foreground...that's brilliant.  The pans, the movement, even the voice acting!  Until that game, I thought every good cutscene needed lots of pretty 3D animation to be good.  Thief's art directors could send a shiver up my spine with nothing more than a shot of a hanging lantern lighting the street, a shadow moving across the screen, and then showing the hanging lantern extinguished and swinging...

    Amazing.

    In my opinion, though, Thief was too time-consuming.  The best levels were easily in the beginning and the very end.  Who can forgot The Maw, or the level where you have to retrieve Comstantine's sword?  But the Lost City?  I hate zombies.

    Thief II is paced perfectly, I think.  I've reached the Cathedral now...and I've been kept on the edge of my seat the entire time...

    If you can find it, and have the money available, buy it.  I sincerely doubt that any gamer who does so will be disappointed.

    Damn, I have to say it again, but I mean it: I absolutely LOVE the ways the cutscenes were shot for Thief & Thief II!

    -Ryan!


    "Think of all the beauty still left around you and be happy."
    -- Anne Frank
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  • realityisdeadrealityisdead Employed by Raven Software after making ns_nothing Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 94Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I hate to do a(nother) short post saying basically the same thing as the guy before me... but YES! The Thief cutscenes are without out a doubt, the best I've seen for any game. The 2D art mixed with the 3D renders, the acting, the music... everything is just full of style.
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  • RamsesRamses Join Date: 2002-05-21 Member: 642Members
    I must agree with most of you:
    Thief I and II rocks!
    The gameplay was and is still simply innovative, the cutscenes are superb (well, I just like the style) and in my opinion Thief is the most atmospherically game out there... The storyline is great and Garett is my favourite game-hero. The only bad thing is that Thief II was already graphically outdated when it came out.

    *edit: I forget to mention the qoutes! The qoutes are great! I love the qoutes you see in the cutscenes and I love the religion of the "große Erbauer"(what was it in english? must be something like "the great constructor, creator or builder"...
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  • LegionnairedLegionnaired Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 552Members, Constellation
    /me waits for theif III, which, I believe, is planned for release in the next 20 years.
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  • Bacon_BitsBacon_Bits Join Date: 2002-02-05 Member: 167Members
    There is a mod based on Thief coming out for UT I believe
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  • HBNayrHBNayr Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 930Members
    Well, Looking Glass Studios did release some pretty looking screen shots from Thief III.  And then the group was disbanded.  Naturally, after a period of mourning, I recovered.  Still, the makers of Thief and System Shock...sent out alone into the world.  What shall become of us all?

    I almost forgot about the quotes!  Sooooo cool.  Especially the foreshadowing found in the Keeper Annals.  Yes, the religion was worshipping the "Master Builder."

    And as far as graphics go, well, graphics are pretty, but let's face it, Thief was so much more than just a pretty face.   <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->

    -Ryan!


    When we looked at the relics of the precursors,
    We saw the heights civilization can attain.
    When we looked at their ruins,
    We marked the danger of that height.
    -- Keeper Annals
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  • MerkabaMerkaba Digital Harmony Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 22Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    The core Looking Glass members have joined ION Storm, and are working with the guy who led Deus Ex to make Thief 3.

    Thief and Thief2 are perhaps the most magical games I've ever played...but sometimes it can drag on a bit <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--> I still love them though, and I wish there were more games with as much character and depth.
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  • LegionnairedLegionnaired Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 552Members, Constellation
    Oh please, tell me you'r not joking....

    Deus Ex story with Theif Gameplay?

    <!--me&Legionnaired--><span id='ME'><center>Legionnaired Swims for his life in a river of saliva </center></span><!--e-me-->
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  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    Its true, read it in PC Zone awhile ago... dunno if its still true but I cant imagine why it wouldnt be. It was bound to happen, the Looking Glass chaps were so good they had to be snapped up by other companies and it makes sense that they would want to work in Ion Storm simply cos of deus ex
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  • Terawatt_99Terawatt_99 Join Date: 2002-02-09 Member: 188Members
    Thief 1 was one of the best games i've ever played...  and it was one of the (extremely) few games that i've completed without cheats...  <!--emo&???--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'><!--endemo-->
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  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    You know Deus Ex 2 is also in the works, right?  I love ION Storm.  Enough to forgive them for Daikatana, even.
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  • ICha0sIICha0sI Join Date: 2002-06-13 Member: 763Members
    i never played thieft befor
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  • LegionnairedLegionnaired Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 552Members, Constellation
    it's a good game, DL the demo.

    BUt in retrospect, Theif 2 was more the actual gameplay, ad not slaughtering undead, so that was prolly better.
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  • CrematorCremator Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 27Members
    thief was good, but i didn't have the patience to finish either of them
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  • BiomechanoidBiomechanoid Join Date: 2002-02-12 Member: 203Members
    I only own theif 2, and I never beat it.... I got to the mansion level where you go thourgh it twice in a row, and... well, lets just say that I'm thorough, and after spending 6 hours the 1st time through, I did a "screw this, it's a f-ing great game but the same level twice in a row, and I spent waay to much time to beat it the first time, god only knows how long it will take me to do it again." and erm... <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo-->  I deleted it to get more space for baulder's gate... ('nother badassed game), but I'm really regretting it, because I have the feeling that I was really close to beating the game too, and don't want to spend 48+ gaming hours to get there again... wonder if there's cheats out for it...
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  • LegionnairedLegionnaired Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 552Members, Constellation
    oh, of course there are... i think.
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  • HBNayrHBNayr Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 930Members
    Yeah, that "Same level in a row" crap sucked.  They did it for the Ambushed! mission and the tailing mission, but at least they weren't back-to-back, you know?  The second time you do the mansion, you are at the second-to-last mission.  If you look around, though, I'm sure you can find some save games online.  And there is a skip mission cheat, but I can't remember what it is exactly.  Something like Shift+Ctrl+Alt (but you will have no loot, and thus, no money to buy anything with).  But don't use it if you haven't played through the missions.  Trust me, this game is so amazing played out.

    Also, does anyone else here like to back up their savegames?  I've burned savegames for almost every game I have savegames for, even after uninstalling the game.  Every game, except Deus Ex.  What was up with those savegame filesizes?

    -Ryan!


    "Nothing you write, if you hope to be good, will ever come out as you first hoped."
    -- Lillian Hellman
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  • MerkabaMerkaba Digital Harmony Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 22Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    yeah the two levels in a row thing was rather odd. Thankfully it was rather different the 2nd time around, but the levels sucked in general and here's why.

    I spoke with one of the level designers, and he told me that the size of the house in those levels was at the limit which the thief engine would allow, and they had to rip out a TON of detail just to make it work correctly. Add to that time restrictions due to EA's badgering and impatience, and what you get is two rather poor levels with glaring errors like chairs floating a foot off the ground :/
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