Make Mp_friendlyfire Work!

Lightning_Blue

<div class="IPBDescription">In casual mode.</div> Hi!

This is a request to the devs, to please re-enable the mp_friendlyfire CVAR, as we'd like some pub gaming with FF but without tourneymode (messes up the mapcycle too much).

I have a feeling others would like this as well.

eaglec

You are right - others would like it. I was hoping it would appear in 2.0

Bry

yes please!

Guspaz

The problem with FF in NS is that it will promote ramboing, and make the game way easier for aliens. I've played with FF in clan play, and the problem is much worse for marines.

For rines, say for example you have a group of heavies with shotguns moving to attack something. But a skulk runs up and between the players. Well, you're likely to lose a few heavies to shotgun fire, with all the players madly trying to track the skulk around and between them. Not to mention firing at a skulk partway behind a building.

SuperBOB

Actually id say the opposite is true, the amount of TK's is 100% alien and 0% marine

The choice to be able to use this would be great

Sikkema

uhm....what would happen if a alien runs into the rine base....and the sg's start shooting.....won't they rip all the rines who are "in the way" ? Marine has far more projectile things that can hit there own team.... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

eaglec

it's the onos charge thats teh funniest <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

Sirus

But it makes the game more fun if you can't just spam like crazy.

Lethy

Have to agree with Sirus on this. Alot of people on the servers I admin like to occasionally play with FF, regardless of the accidental team kill. Wouldn't it promote more controlled and skilled bursts of fire when playing, regardless of the side? Atleast in the case of the servers I'm on, purposely team killing wouldn't be a problem as it would only be enabled when an admin is there.

The_Spectre

Crazy FF only strategy:
In a long drawn-out game with aliens having 2 hives, kill one of your hives yourself and rebuild it, to get the third upgrade chamber. Hey, why not? Sure, you're slightly vulnerable for 3 minutes, but you do get that third upgrade... Especially good if you went move and sens and need D to crack the marines.

Yeah, the option for FF without tourney mode would be great, I think. Not for the average unadmined pub, of course, but some servers could handle it.

Spurty

My regulars want FF and I personally would love a marine equivalent of the stun/eat weapons.

I'm coming around to this being balanced as after an hour of marines building and aliens not getting any hives, its a stalemate


Most games of NS that I play end up like this :
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Hows it look from your end ?

Oh and a co-ordinated and attentive marine side can whoop a disorganized Alien side easy <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->

DaK_mAnIak

We were going to have marine knife fights (with a gorge as the ref.) and lerk dog fights but FF did not work. It would be nice to be able to do this without having to mess with tourny mode.

Crunchy1

ff in pub servs? nah

i build 100 OCs, then see them get torn down by some ashole onos player

Xodlike

how to control team kills: GET ATAC FROM AMXMOD.NET some of the features dont work but tahts cause it was meant for cs.... slap works slay does 2 just not sure about ban

Balance

<!--QuoteBegin--Guspaz+Aug 12 2003, 06:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guspaz @ Aug 12 2003, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem with FF in NS is that it will promote ramboing, and make the game way easier for aliens. I've played with FF in clan play, and the problem is much worse for marines.

For rines, say for example you have a group of heavies with shotguns moving to attack something. But a skulk runs up and between the players. Well, you're likely to lose a few heavies to shotgun fire, with all the players madly trying to track the skulk around and between them. Not to mention firing at a skulk partway behind a building.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well... DoD (Day of Defeat) has FF on some servers.

And when I play DoD I usually pick server with FF.

Why? Because players who think before they shoot are in FF servers. 12 years old reaction bunnies stay on FF=off servers. When FF is on team has to think before they act.

Skulks can bite each others while chewing up a RT or marines can kill themselves in a corridor - if players don't think about the placement. I think that FF on pubs would improve gameplay.

It is true that some players wouldn't like FF and others would love it. Newbies would get more spanking from teamkills, but then again there would be more RTFM-shouts.

Perpahs players should be encouraged to think. FF is one way to accomplish this.

So, please give us FF on pubs.

voodooc

Yes, please re-enable this. We have a heavily-adminned server, and would like to be able to play with friendlyfire on every once in a while, without the rest of tournament mode.

Thanks,

vc

JoeBlow

I never understand why people argue against this by saying how they wouldn't like it... WHO CARES!!! It will be a CVAR, which means you can turn it on or off as you please. So if you don't like it, just go to a non-FF server, and those of us who want it can get it.

Jim_has_Skillz

Just what he said. Many people would like this and if you don't like it, most servers don't have it so find a different server. Its not your server in the first place, you are just playing in a server owned and maintained by someone else, and if he/she wants ff on, then it should be on.

voodooc

ruthlessly bumping this to keep it prominent.

any response from devs on this?

vc

voodooc

please

pretty please

can we pay you?

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Stoneburg

I'm not against it happening, as long as it is a server variable I can just keep it off. Bút I honestly think that having FF on, in a pub, is a horrible, horrible idea.

Even in a very well regulated and nice pub you'd have big problems. Skulk rush on base? Half the skulks *bitten* to death. Someone stepped infront of the GL when he was shooting? The whole team dead. A squad of heavies get jumped by a single skulk that lands between them.. don't even want to think about it.

And that's just examples of *involontary* problems. Someone actually *wanting* to disrupt the game would have a field day. It is easy enough for people that want to ruin the others fun to do so today, this would be like giving nukes to a problem-child.

I'm pretty sure that you who are asking for it, if it becomes reality, will be back to FF off mode rather soonishly <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

voodooc

The FF problems you describe, cause problems in any game you play with FF.

Yet, with a heavily adminned server, adequate TK punishment plugins, etc., you can mitigate the negative effects a lot.

And a lot of people really like the extra challenge of playing with FF on. It's certainly not for everyone... but I'm just puzzled why they would deny us the simple ability to turn it on, in 'casual' mode.

vc

ThePhilips

um people, admins CAN TURN OFF friendlyfire if he hates it, it's a option! A option that should be there but isent cuase of some stupid reason I can't even think of cuase it's the admins who chooses if there is ff ON or OFF. It's HIS server!