Which is what I've been arguing all along about telepathy.
In my view, there may or may not be telepathy. No evidence for nor against has come to light, therefore, it both does and does not exist at the same time (good old quantum state).
<!--QuoteBegin--Cronos+Aug 11 2003, 01:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cronos @ Aug 11 2003, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Although there is no "True" mass increase, there is a "temporary" mass increase brought about by an increase of velocity. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> A temporary one? LOL
The mass of the object increases in its own reference frame, just as its time slows. To a seperate observer (travelling at a lower speed), however, the mass would appear to be decreasing and time speeding up.
When an object reaches the speed of light, its relativistic mass is infinite. Therefore, you need an infinite amount of energy to accelerate the object to this speed. If this was its mass and not its relativistic mass, this would mean that an infinite amount of gravitational pull would crush everything in the universe instantly, which it doesn't or we wouldn't be here.
It is relativistic mass. To observers of an object travelling at the speed of light, the mass of the object appears to be zero, which is why it wouldn't crush everything.
Thank you for clearing up the misconception there. Saying that earlier may have saved a lot of arguing on both sides.
As a note, I'm always willing to learn. If my arguments/views/knowledge is/are flawed, then by all means tell me.
As a personal musing, I miss the old discussion forums. If only the rare minority that despoiled them could carry an argument without flaming one another <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Look, I'm sorry. I just get wound up easily. You're a good guy. I agree with alot of your points, but I just wouldn't word them in quite the same way, that's all.
Its a game it bears no real relation to the 'real world' you're excse for an argument sucks, realism is less important than gameplay.
HOWEVER, don't you all think the onos is abit TOO solid?
Afterall its a huge animal, no big ears to cool it, one assumes it has sweat glands but they wouldn't function too well in the muggy enviroment most NS maps are, so really the onos should havee to spend lots of time activly cooling itself with like pools of water or mud or something.. or it would overheat and colapse to the floor.. yea.
Also I refuse to belive it can store enough energy to do a celerity charge and head but stuff, its just not right unless its using something like hydro-carbons to store its energy..
So the onos should be given some HUGE cooling fins, sortof like a zalman flower heatsink.. yea..
No worries Nothing, sometimes I do the same thing when I get worked up about something. Right now I'm too tired to think straight <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I learnt a while ago that you can only change a persons views if they let you. Either way, a persona has no right to change another persons view unless they are misinformed and are willing to learn and that there is absolutely no point in getting over emotional about certain things.
Thanks for the compliment. I'm trying to find a way to end this post without sounding corny, so, in summation, I will now go eat, drink some coffee, take my medication and go to sleep.
<!--QuoteBegin--Cronos+Aug 11 2003, 01:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cronos @ Aug 11 2003, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I learnt a while ago that you can only change a persons views if they let you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> you are completly right <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I must stop trying to force my opinions. Sorry
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Humans havent changed a bit in 5 centuries. We are more educated, nothing more.
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there was no way to disprove it.
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Which is what I've been arguing all along about telepathy.
In my view, there may or may not be telepathy. No evidence for nor against has come to light, therefore, it both does and does not exist at the same time (good old quantum state).
A temporary one? LOL
The mass of the object increases in its own reference frame, just as its time slows. To a seperate observer (travelling at a lower speed), however, the mass would appear to be decreasing and time speeding up.
When an object reaches the speed of light, its relativistic mass is infinite. Therefore, you need an infinite amount of energy to accelerate the object to this speed. If this was its mass and not its relativistic mass, this would mean that an infinite amount of gravitational pull would crush everything in the universe instantly, which it doesn't or we wouldn't be here.
It is relativistic mass. To observers of an object travelling at the speed of light, the mass of the object appears to be zero, which is why it wouldn't crush everything.
As a note, I'm always willing to learn. If my arguments/views/knowledge is/are flawed, then by all means tell me.
As a personal musing, I miss the old discussion forums. If only the rare minority that despoiled them could carry an argument without flaming one another <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
HOWEVER, don't you all think the onos is abit TOO solid?
Afterall its a huge animal, no big ears to cool it, one assumes it has sweat glands but they wouldn't function too well in the muggy enviroment most NS maps are, so really the onos should havee to spend lots of time activly cooling itself with like pools of water or mud or something.. or it would overheat and colapse to the floor.. yea.
Also I refuse to belive it can store enough energy to do a celerity charge and head but stuff, its just not right unless its using something like hydro-carbons to store its energy..
So the onos should be given some HUGE cooling fins, sortof like a zalman flower heatsink.. yea..
rofl
BlueGhost
I learnt a while ago that you can only change a persons views if they let you. Either way, a persona has no right to change another persons view unless they are misinformed and are willing to learn and that there is absolutely no point in getting over emotional about certain things.
Thanks for the compliment. I'm trying to find a way to end this post without sounding corny, so, in summation, I will now go eat, drink some coffee, take my medication and go to sleep.
This is a skeptical look at it.
It can't be proven or disproven, but just because proof can seem like falseproof, don't mean that unproven stuff isn't possible.
So I keep the open mind, but my mind is a little more closed after reading that website...
<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> you are completly right <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I must stop trying to force my opinions. Sorry