Argh... Concede Should Be Removed
Flak50C
Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7247Members
Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7247Members
I can see where concede is useful in matches using tournament rules, because its about the wins in that case.
But you know, I play pub servers for FUN. 95% of all matches I play now end before a team wins because some people are just too overwhelmed by the possibility of losing a game. AND IT SCREWS THE GAME UP FOR THE REST OF THE PLAYERS.
If a marine team is down 5 players and trashing the aliens, I say LET THEM. If they aren't and were a poor team to begin with the aliens will mop it up quickly.
People play games for the GAME not the unofficial scorecard on the sticky note on their desk.
As it is now, I'm not going to play NS unless my friends want me to... because I can't stand never FINISHING a game. Its always get one onos and take out a res node then it ends.
Frankly, NS has become the most frustrating game I've ever played. Its like trying to play a console game with a circuit breaker going off randomly every 10-20 minutes to make sure you never actually get anywhere.
But you know, I play pub servers for FUN. 95% of all matches I play now end before a team wins because some people are just too overwhelmed by the possibility of losing a game. AND IT SCREWS THE GAME UP FOR THE REST OF THE PLAYERS.
If a marine team is down 5 players and trashing the aliens, I say LET THEM. If they aren't and were a poor team to begin with the aliens will mop it up quickly.
People play games for the GAME not the unofficial scorecard on the sticky note on their desk.
As it is now, I'm not going to play NS unless my friends want me to... because I can't stand never FINISHING a game. Its always get one onos and take out a res node then it ends.
Frankly, NS has become the most frustrating game I've ever played. Its like trying to play a console game with a circuit breaker going off randomly every 10-20 minutes to make sure you never actually get anywhere.
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If you F4 mid game, you BANNED ****!
Or, like VooGru has, F4 is disabled 5 min after game starts!
withotu concede teams could go 10v2 and not end
but with a concede of 4, if the teams go under 10v6 then it autoends.
Might I suggest playing single player games on very easy instead of NS? The AI never gives up no matter how hopeless or not fun the game has become, and you'll slaughter it left and right for hours.
Fun fact: In the BW/war3 communities, it is considered bad sportsmanship to force the clear winner of a game to destroy all your stuff to get his win. It is usually something people will do out contempt, when they feel they're been robbed or cheesed out of a win. A good mannered loser will say "gg" and promptly surrender.
The ONLY time I consider to F4 is when an opposing team DOESN'T finish you. Instead they sit at your base digesting you as you come off the IP or spawn camp you underneath the hive. Those cases are when the conquering team is just playing with poor sportsmanship.
Quitting in any game is childish. If someone needs to F4, it just gives you quick judge of their character. These are people you just can't play any game with. There are just some people who are poor losers who often also tend to be poor winners. If you encounter these poor gamers, just move on to a different server or try back again at the server when these players are gone. Keep in mind that a good server should be taking steps of removing these poor players. In my opinion, F4'ing should be a bannable offense as gamers who quit are never fun to play with. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Awesome and insightful - well done. You are now our:
And from what I've seen in the pub games I'm at, you get one or two people saying "dude, f4 and end it" while the rest of us are hollering "fraggle that, I'm not giving them the satisfaction".
By that stage it gets silly, as we go knife only and jump at Onos (hell why not <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ). If people are complaining about a deadlock then IMHO its usually because the aliens are doing the dribs and drabs onos rush against a dozen marines, rather than skulk bombing the room flat (which will work a hell of a lot faster, folks).
Aww..poor marines mad because the aliens left so they couldn't test there brand new fully upgraded hmg against all the hive 1 weaklings? Too bad, game's over.
Now as marines, I find that you can sometimes make a comeback, because you don't lose your upgrades when you build your base in their last hive and your previous base was crushed, and with pooled res, heavies are still being pumped out, albeit slowly.
Plus, before all those heavies come out, early game seems the most fun for me, so I'm always ready for an F4.
I see. So surrendering is childish? Admitting defeat and wanting to get a fresh new game rolling is sign of poor sportsmanship? I personally cannot possibly even BEGIN to understand how ANYONE could enjoy slaughtering a helpless team over and over, BEING hopelessly slaughtered over and over, or stalling in the same damn game where nothing happens and that has long went past the point of no return in the entertainment department.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In my opinion, F4'ing should be a bannable offense as gamers who quit are never fun to play with. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Translation: I want to have fun at other people's expense. They should indulge my selfish, cruel desires or be banned.
IMHO when you play a game, you take your chances at losing. If you f4 at the slightest hint of a loss, you are not learning anything. There is no value to the game, no challenge. If you f4 because you can't break a 20 minute deadlock (step up the onos players who go in groups on ONE) then you will NEVER learn how to break a deadlock. You will NEVER figure out that a skulk bomb rush or coordinated assault will break a base. No, it'll be "we're in their base, we've won, lets f4 because we've never figured out how to actually take it".
You will go along your miserable little life thinking that "teh onos 0wnz0rz j00" and that the marines are cheats or whatever for daring to dig in at their last base.
I have seen this TOO many times on TOO many servers. So please, before people go f4 happy, try something slightly more radical such as changing your battle plan <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT - It is fine for ending a game mention aboved when no one will make a move, or there is NO forseeable end at all no matter what. But if there's hope, and you f4, I will be mad. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT - Grammar errors. -mak +make
If you dont like losing, learn to play more effectively
If you are winning, dont drag it out
Yes it is great fun when aliens/marines get 1 or 2 upgrades, then you look at the scoreboard and half the people on the opposing team have left in a snit (see creamy sarcasm middle)
IMO it compares to the CS players that have to restart when their score starts to look human instead of godlike (10-8 instead of 19-0) its just sad
Maybe if comms wouldnt spam the chairs/ips/turrets at the end of the game just to drag it out, you could get a more decisive victory. There is always the decisive victory for the marines - if you dont hear the beep of death, keep killing Kharaa.
I havent played WC, but isnt it just 1 player controlling computer forces vs another player controlling comp forces? If so, there is no comparison to NS as every player has a chance to turn the tide, and 'GG' f4'ing means that all the other players suffer, instead of just some computer army that doesnt care.
Thank you for your time, use more of it for better games.
Yes because hive 1 aliens against an HA train of marines with complete turret lockdowns EVERYWHERE have SUCH a chance :/ Oh yes they do.
And you missed the point of that statement by a mile
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Actually I did get it, the difference is in one case there are a group of people being pointlessly slaughtered from a position they can NEVER COME BACK FROM. That is even MORE dumb than the WC 3 position.
It's like having a peasant and an archer, and expecting to miraculously come back from a player with 30 ghouls and all 4 heros. :/
There are many more examples of pointless stalemates where one team has lost and is just delaying it for shits and giggles. That is why we need f4.
Actually I did get it, the difference is in one case there are a group of people being pointlessly slaughtered from a position they can NEVER COME BACK FROM. That is even MORE dumb than the WC 3 position. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have never seen a game where the possibility of a come back was totally gone!
I have played games of 2.0 where we didn't even have an IP becasue it was destryoed and the only person still alive was on the other side of the map and he still made it back to base got in that comm chair and got an IP built!
If that is the kinda situation that you would F4 in, I feel sorry for you, becasue you can miss AWESOME things like that!
4 Onos destroying your base, with 3 hives and all you have is enough for a few SGs, give them out and the tables can turn.
No situation is ever hopeless, Never is there a reason to give up, if you do, you would have a better time playing CS.
I have played games of 2.0 where we didn't even have an IP becasue it was destryoed and the only person still alive was on the other side of the map and he still made it back to base got in that comm chair and got an IP built!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To lose about 20 minutes later instead to an alien team that owns all the res on the map (maybe not marine start) and is all higher lifeforms, 3 hive etc.
No thanks.
I could give endless examples of pointless situations but it isn't worth it. F4 needs to stay and it's that damn simple.
simply because if its 10v7, all i do is f4 and we get to start again <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
why do i do it? simply because i understand a 1 or 2 man lead but 3 is too much.
i wish mp_limitteams worked tho ;\
A real TSA Frontiersman would never F4. He would draw his knife and go "Come on, *****!"
Being on a team that concedes Pisses me off a lot more than seeing the other team concede.
When Team A is being a bunch of **** and not doing anything to end the game, it's needed.
When Team A has just lost one or two resnodes or an advance base, it is not needed, infact, it's annoying, for the non-f4'ers on BOTH teams. And I've been on both sides of this.
There is a major bug with the limit teams code now. it locks BOTH sides, this needs to be addressed ASAP. But the thing most people refuse to realize is in it's present state, the higher pop team can f4 one or two people and it's within the range again, and the RR people can join.
Frankly, I hate it because the team that's down 4-5 people is going to lose pretty darn fast, at least if the other team knows ANY of what they're doing.
What I do see a problem with, is that there is no way to know if you leaving to rejoin because of a problem.. computer screwing up, loosing sound, pop-ups.. whatever will end the game..
I see this happening a lot, a player will leave already messed up teams..(might be that the team said don't fix the teams, or they haven't been fixed yet) then the game will end
I would like to see a message that says: One more player leaving will cause the game to end.
I see. So surrendering is childish? Admitting defeat and wanting to get a fresh new game rolling is sign of poor sportsmanship? I personally cannot possibly even BEGIN to understand how ANYONE could enjoy slaughtering a helpless team over and over, BEING hopelessly slaughtered over and over, or stalling in the same damn game where nothing happens and that has long went past the point of no return in the entertainment department.
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Translation: I want to have fun at other people's expense. They should indulge my selfish, cruel desires or be banned. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is exactly what I think.