Ns And Its 'ticking Time Bomb'...
Fangs
Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13506Members
Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13506Members
<div class="IPBDescription">the commanders 'v' key</div> Yea I think its time I say it. I believe that the decision to have the commanders auto-recycle hot key set to 'v' is a horrible mistake. I'm sure I don’t speak for just myself when I say that 'v' is a popular key to bind "+voicerecord" to. I think this decision is going to be the cause of much confusion, and problems, now and in the future. This hot key is very un-noobie friendly. I have witnessed over 10 games now were a random player has gotten into the com chair, tried to talk the accidently recycled an important structure. In some cases two or three structures were recycled before they realized it had happened. This innocent mistake has ruined many otherwise good games by giving the aliens a decidedly unfair advantage.
Most vetrens/playtesters that read this will simply say "bind your talk key to another key problem solved". But I strongly disagree with this. It is possible to rebind the key so that you can speak and not destroy your teams hopes of winning in the process. However this "solution" misses the point. It is people who don't know that there 'v' (voice) key has been turned into a 'ticking time bomb', that I am speaking about. These people will all be forced one by one to suffer the embarrassment of recycling structures in there base, before they will be able to rebind this key in many cases.
Speaking for myself personally, my 'v' key is so used that it is the only button on my keyboard that the letter is worn off of. I have reset my key now, but I think it’s a bad idea to ask seasoned HL mod players to change there basic controls in this way. The 'v' key is also painfully close to the keys that most players use to move there character A,W,S,D and due to habit many
commanders still rest there fingers in that area. one false press of the v key and poof there goes a critical turret factory or the prototype lab that you just started upgrading for HA.
To sum it up I believe setting this recycle key to 'v' and not allowing it to be set by the players themselves was a bad idea. I feel that it will be a factor in some players deciding that they don’t prefer to play Natural Selection. I hope that this isn't the case as I love the mod myself.
I strongly recommend that some thought be given to this 'ticking time bomb', and new playes be made aware of it as best is possible.
I'm sure many people will post behind me and tell me that its just a key and its not that important in the grand scheme of things, but i would challenge that logic with this - If you set out to build a great new house, I'm sure you would want it to look nice from the entrance to the kitchen, and even the yard. In building this house you wouldn’t want a window broken, or a toilet that flooded over when you used it. So why should a mod be any different. This is going to cause people to have problem and I think that you can compare this 'v' key issue to a nice new house with a broken window, sure maybe it’s a small window around the back of the house, but broken
never the less.
I shall sit back now and watch people weigh in with their opinions.
Most vetrens/playtesters that read this will simply say "bind your talk key to another key problem solved". But I strongly disagree with this. It is possible to rebind the key so that you can speak and not destroy your teams hopes of winning in the process. However this "solution" misses the point. It is people who don't know that there 'v' (voice) key has been turned into a 'ticking time bomb', that I am speaking about. These people will all be forced one by one to suffer the embarrassment of recycling structures in there base, before they will be able to rebind this key in many cases.
Speaking for myself personally, my 'v' key is so used that it is the only button on my keyboard that the letter is worn off of. I have reset my key now, but I think it’s a bad idea to ask seasoned HL mod players to change there basic controls in this way. The 'v' key is also painfully close to the keys that most players use to move there character A,W,S,D and due to habit many
commanders still rest there fingers in that area. one false press of the v key and poof there goes a critical turret factory or the prototype lab that you just started upgrading for HA.
To sum it up I believe setting this recycle key to 'v' and not allowing it to be set by the players themselves was a bad idea. I feel that it will be a factor in some players deciding that they don’t prefer to play Natural Selection. I hope that this isn't the case as I love the mod myself.
I strongly recommend that some thought be given to this 'ticking time bomb', and new playes be made aware of it as best is possible.
I'm sure many people will post behind me and tell me that its just a key and its not that important in the grand scheme of things, but i would challenge that logic with this - If you set out to build a great new house, I'm sure you would want it to look nice from the entrance to the kitchen, and even the yard. In building this house you wouldn’t want a window broken, or a toilet that flooded over when you used it. So why should a mod be any different. This is going to cause people to have problem and I think that you can compare this 'v' key issue to a nice new house with a broken window, sure maybe it’s a small window around the back of the house, but broken
never the less.
I shall sit back now and watch people weigh in with their opinions.
Comments
I completly agree with this. I've just been in a game where a new comm (Note: Not a newbie comm! It was mid game and the old comm had left, so he was the new comm) got into the chair and recycled our arms lab, and then rebuilt it and then recycled it again and then recycled the armoury. He had no idea why the structures were recycling and he was ejected and had abuse thrown at him before someone mentioned this problem with the voice comms on V.
I've never really used V but I can see this being a major problem.
That explains why the marine team were randomly recycling buildings though.
voice comm is not bound to v by default, in fact, it's not bound to anything by default
absolutely no need to change anything
It's my 9 and 0 keys that are giving me trouble. I have them bound to enter the 2 teams. however, I have - bound to retry and = bound to enter. Many a time I returned to the bathroom and pressed the quit key instead of jointeamtwo <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
voice comm is not bound to v by default, in fact, it's not bound to anything by default
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Yes They can be changed but It seems you missed the point. No one knows to change them untell they have made this mistake or read about it. And as i predicted clearly here in my post:
<i>Most vetrens/playtesters that read this will simply say "bind your talk key to another key problem solved". But I strongly disagree with this. It is possible to rebind the key so that you can speak and not destroy your teams hopes of winning in the process. However this "solution" misses the point. It is people who don't know that there 'v' (voice) key has been turned into a 'ticking time bomb', that I am speaking about. These people will all be forced one by one to suffer the embarrassment of recycling structures in there base, before they will be able to rebind this key in many cases. </i>
The point was the new plyers used to binding there 'v' key to "+voicerecord" will suffer this problem. As you can see in the thread many others have already seen it, and we are barely two days into public release.
V for victory... but for which side <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I have, however, moved my voicecomm key to [... While F is still bound to voice, I just don't hit it in the chair... Though someone found it strange that the voice symbol kept popping up with my name every time I dropped a gl. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I imagine that this will just be learned with time... I only dropped 3 comm chairs before noticing!
The problem are not single experienced players at all <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I agree that "V" shouldn't be used. Why not Backspace??? ^^
That's too far away <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
i jumped in, built an armory...built an arms lab, accidently recycled it, built another arms lab....accidently recyceled my armory, once arms lab was built, accidently recycled again!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
was pretty funny tho
think i'll have to do some re-configuration
Naturally we told him he was a moron.
oops? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Is there a way to change recyle to something deliberate? Most players use WASD, so recyle should be far, far away. Like "P"
Naturally we told him he was a moron.
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We did as well to some other guy and now I feel really bad <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
amen!
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Yeah, I recycled a structure, no big loss, but now I don't use voicecomm when i command, which is indeed a big loss. V is a very battle-accessable key, I can fight and talk on the same time. So I'm not rebinding it to something else. I guess I just won't use voice while i'm comming. I completely agree that v is a horrible, horrible key for the recycle bind. I'd rather just change it myself, and make the hotkey for recycle just go away, because its too accident prone to be a hotkey on the keyboard.
Also, some people like Caps Lock for voice. I assume you move your pinky up so you can't walk or crouch (default) while talking unless you don't strafe left. (using your ring finger)
i had "+voicerecord" set to v and i recycled all my base... so all my base are belonged to them which sucked. so i bound it to mouse3... and for some reason that didn't work. what does mouse3 do for comm? cuz i can't figure it out! i'm getting angry cuz i usually use mouse3 anyway and it doesn't do anything but make a beeping noise. anyone else have this problem?
So, if you get in, you can either A) Rebind it in console
B) exec a config to rebind it (or have a normal key on your keyboard bound to execing said config)
or C) find a new key and don't use a mouse button.
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I too used v for talking and even during playtesting, managed to recycle a few things
just change cl_cmhotkeys to "qwerasdfzxcb"
b instead of v. works out for me perfectly
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Actually, it would make sense if the /kill button for all of your buildings was far away; that way no mistakes can be incured.
Anyhow, I bind my voice key to alt when I'm commanding, and I bind my voice key to "mouse3"(which is your mousewheel when pressed in) when I play as anything but the comm.
Flayra needs to slap a "WARNING: USE BINDS AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION" on the comm chair, prevent those wounded TSA veterans from coming back to Earth and laying lawsuits on his arse.
oh if u dont wanna recycle any buildings just dont click on them just lick on your guys and click v to talk!
just a suggestion!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> !