Can You Hold Off Hacking The Ns 2.0 Maps

ViPrViPr Resident naysayer Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1515Members
in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">at least for a while</div> i want to enjoy NS 2.0 fully so all those !£$^"£!$@"%^"@ admins that keep stripping all the cool features (that make NS the best looking half-life mod) out of the maps using ripent (so they run on weak servers or run on weak player's computers that can't handle transparency effects like light glares) could you please not do that until i've had a chance to see all the maps in their glory.

and then it would be nice if servers could announce whether they use hacked maps or not so i could know what servers to banish.
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  • LambdaProjectLambdaProject Join Date: 2002-02-20 Member: 230Members
    I think you can now turn off particle effects in 2.0, and now that server lag is massively decreased it won't really matter, so probably most of them will not run ripent.
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  • ViPrViPr Resident naysayer Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1515Members
    Wait.. wait wait wait wait wait. don't freak me out. the player can disable the particle effects or the server?
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  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    No... server ops can.
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  • LambdaProjectLambdaProject Join Date: 2002-02-20 Member: 230Members
    Both, there is an option to disable partical effects in the customize menu for the player. The server can run a strip entity plugin that basically deletes the particle effects so NO ONE can enjoy them. Personally I'm with you on this but I'm not really worried about it.
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  • devicenulldevicenull Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15967Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    I don't usually see that alot..
    The one thing I see is the stream of res coming from an empty nozzle is about 1/4 the height of the normal one..
    I actually think it looks better like that..
    And if some servers do that.. just play on different servers
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  • ViPrViPr Resident naysayer Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1515Members
    aaargh! if there is an option for the server to disable the special effects that will just make things worse. and let me guess, it'll probably be disabled by default and i'll have to go on a campaign to get the awareness out of how do enable the special effects on the server just like i have to do with Sven Co-op regarding the stupid time limit that stops the game and makes it start a new map.

    will there at least be a way for me to be able to tell if a server has disabled the special effects without me having to look for the special effects?
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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    The systems are on by default. And the ops will have little reason to disable them, as the server runs with 80-95% less CPU overhead than previously.
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  • My_Personal_InsanityMy_Personal_Insanity Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14900Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jul 30 2003, 10:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jul 30 2003, 10:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The systems are on by default. And the ops will have little reason to disable them, as the server runs with 80-95% less CPU overhead than previously. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I keep being amazed everytime I see those numbers. That's an incredible cpu cycle win. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • IncitatusIncitatus Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4316Members
    80% - 95% That's really incredible, where have all these calculations gone?
    Have they been moved to the client side of thing? does this mean I'll have
    10 fps in stead of 25?
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  • SpazmaticSpazmatic Join Date: 2003-05-10 Member: 16184Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Have they been moved to the client side of thing? does this mean I'll have
    10 fps in stead of 25? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Server side.
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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Entitity caching code is one of the big changes. It does not shift the load anywhere, it just makes things far more efficient.
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  • RabidWeaselRabidWeasel Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5337Members
    I see this a lot in DoD 1.0 since the server and client loads increased rediculously between 3.1b and 1.0.

    It's annoying when it actually removes important things like floors in DoD and switches in NS.
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  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    Server performance is improved.
    Servers can handle 32 players and long games now.
    There are new serverside and clientside variables that disable or lower ns gfx effects.
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  • ViPrViPr Resident naysayer Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1515Members
    i'm sorry but if those server performance improvements were made by disabling or crapifying special effects then they don't count as improvements in my opinion.
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  • KhaimKhaim Join Date: 2002-06-28 Member: 841Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Ollj wouldnt know, hes not a beta server op, playtester, dev member, or vet. The gfx effects were not crappified or removed.
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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited July 2003
    Agreed - can people please restrict themselves from starting rumours? I know that is a hopeless request, but I'm asking anway. Entity caching does not cause any visual issues.
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  • Ph0enixPh0enix Join Date: 2002-10-08 Member: 1462Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jul 30 2003, 07:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jul 30 2003, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Agreed - can people please restrict themselves from starting rumours? I know that is a hopeless request, but I'm asjking anway. Entity caching does not cause any visual issues. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Agreed. We'll find out tomorrow anyway guys.
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  • GuspazGuspaz Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2862Members, Constellation
    Well, the server portion is to be released tonight <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I'll be updating my (private) server, and I think my clan will be updating their server too. Tonight that is.
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  • CheesyPetezaCheesyPeteza Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9784Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Hey MonsieurEvil can this "entity caching" be used with other mods? DOD is a hog for CPU. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Sell Valve the code or something. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • Garet_JaxGaret_Jax Join Date: 2003-02-23 Member: 13870Members, Constellation
    gettin back to the original point -

    those guys moaning about hacked-maps allowing low-end pc users to play NS - have u given thought to said PC users? im sure u r happy to spend all ur money on computers and video-games, and u've got ure 3ghz pc with geforce 4 etc...; but us casual players (im running on p450 voodoo2 56k) really appreciate these 'hacked maps'

    -Seraph
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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--CheesyPeteza+Jul 30 2003, 02:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CheesyPeteza @ Jul 30 2003, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey MonsieurEvil can this "entity caching" be used with other mods? DOD is a hog for CPU. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Sell Valve the code or something. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Good question! Actually, Flayra designed this system about 6 months ago, but always ran into issues getting it run as well as it should have. It turns out that CS had a way to to do it, and from talking to folks from that neck of the woods it all worked itself out. I'm sure Flayra can provide a much more detailed story in a few weeks <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> .
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