Best Science Fair Ever?
<div class="IPBDescription">judge for yourself</div> <a href='http://objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html' target='_blank'>http://objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html</a>
Highlights for me were in the Elementary School Level, Honorable Mention #3,
and Middle School level 2nd Place.
Now <b><i>thats</i></b> science!
Highlights for me were in the Elementary School Level, Honorable Mention #3,
and Middle School level 2nd Place.
Now <b><i>thats</i></b> science!
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? i just stated the obvious thats its spam and will get locked.
<span style='color:white'>Please leave that decision to us. If you feel it should be locked, use the 'report' button, don't post flamey replies.</span>
Ok Ok so be it.
Its a pop-up blocking program site..
<a href='http://www.startsurfingplus.com/index.asp?id=6' target='_blank'>http://www.startsurfingplus.com/index.asp?id=6</a>
This is the website the link sends me to zero, u useing that proxitron? thing
I have foot-washer Batists living in my neighborhood who sponsor the same kind event at the local elementary school every year. Believe it.
I'm still laugthing.
Anyway, back on topic we go.....
I honestly don't think the onion could have done a better job with that.
Check out one of the links from that site <a href='http://objective.jesussave.us/babyj.html' target='_blank'>http://objective.jesussave.us/babyj.html</a> That picture with that content has got to be one of the funniest things I've seen in a while. That's up there with "you make kitty scared".
For those of you who are getting passed to an ad site, I don't know what to say. I'm using Mozilla Firebird and I see someone else using IE6 and Opera. That leaves Safari I suppse, sorry you can't see it. Its a delight!
<i><b>Edit:</b> Eureka! Those of you missing out should try the Google Cache:
<a href='http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:zBuXf0yW1wAJ:objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html+Fellowship+Baptist+Creation+Science+Fair+2001&hl=en&ie=UTF-8' target='_blank'>http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:zBuXf0...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8</a></i>
I'm still laugthing.
Anyway, back on topic we go..... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heheheh...
I never miss a good parody opprotunity <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
The first one "My uncle is a man named Steve (Not a monkey)" was pure classic ++.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Seriously, I fell for the Metallica scoop earlier today, but I've got some respect for people with differing opinions. This can't be true. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No it's not true. However, it is a parody of all the typically dumb arguments creationists normally used. This has just broken them down into their basic form without the good debating skills they are presented with.
The people that actually get the website are u running anything other then a firewall ? like a popup blocker or the suggested proxi thing?
Have you tried copying and pasting the link?
All im running is zonealarm and my PC is adware/virus free as a ran scans a few days ago.
All im running is zonealarm and my PC is adware/virus free as a ran scans a few days ago. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you tried turning off zone alarm, not that may be a good idea to begin with however.
I'm honestly quite stumped.
Altho my IP is dynamic so one of em should work. Just very very od
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but the truth has finally come out: Apple Computers promote Godless Darwinism and Communism.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
I found that cite on this other one it was like Center for people for internet decency or something I think they both were jokes.
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Isn't middle school junior high?
Am I the only one who thinks the kid who said women were designed to be homemakers should be kicked in the face not once, not twice, but thrice?
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! "Habu's" corner justifies me in mocking these people I'm just like old crochety mr gruff I guess. I'll spend my sunday at home drinking gambling having premarital sex possibly stealing and maybe even breaking a few other commandments and sinning...awwwww yeah.
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Evolutionism is hardly a science, it's more unfounded theory, which has turned into a religion, and a religion that is built on extremely shaky, extremely shaky, faith in something has practically no evidence, the only thing that drives it is the desire to prove that there is no deity.
And besides the fact that this thread is swimming in ignorance. I'd still like to note a few things.
Critisizing something that you have no understanding of is not really funny, few people have even picked up a book about Evolution, much less, I dare say, the Bible even. Outside of hearing stuff from some teachers who were paid to tell you evolution is real, (they were taught that it was real too, it's an endless cycle), I doubt that many people have any scrap of knowledge about Creationism vs Evolution. Including, the creators of that site.
I'll take up my case in the discussion's forum when it's opened later. But I'll leave you the fact that Evolution has not found a dramatic piece of evidence for major evolutionarily change, except for small changes, which can be noted as simply variations in the genetic pool, in which there's a predetermined limit of changes in someones genes, allowing different colors of hair, skin, shapes and so on.
Evolutionists make some outrageous claims between whales coming from mammals and so on, not only this, but they have yet to find a single intermediate bone to prove any progress. They can find, the beginning, and the end. A monkey, and a man. They've yet to find any man with a tail, or any other solid proof of a change between the two species.
In addition, there are some very shaky concepts, order out of chaos is impossible, it doesn't happen, I can't make a stack of papers, turn on the ceiling fan for one million years, and come back to see all the papers in the same exact order, in perfect sequence, order out of chaos, is impossible. I'd also like to note in that how they can claim that one cell evolved into millions of organisms, yet we only have male and female ? Or sexual, and asexual. Surely after millions of years we would have different types ?
/rant off.
In short, I don't think its really funny, the only thing that's funny is that people think that creationist science is mutually exclusive. Ever single organism on this planet only testifies that there is some genius creator who has one amazing design, and some serious power that an entire body can function. I'll also note the brain, try and come up for a logical reason for that outside of creationism, we still can't understand how our brain works, yet we're saying that it comes from the same roots as the tree in our back yard..
/rant, officially off
Sorry If I came off a little...objective there. I found the whole thing so ridiculous I was compelled to reply.
edit. please excuse any spelling, it's rather late here.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Evolutionism is hardly a science, it's more unfounded theory,<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Plain wrong, and just because it is a theory does not mean it isn't a fact (which it is). The fact is animals have changed over time from one form to another. The THEORY is how exactly this process has occured.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->which has turned into a religion, and a religion that is built on extremely shaky, extremely shaky, faith in something has practically no evidence,<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Vestigial Organs, fossilised transitionary forms, bacterial resistance and many many other examples aren't evidence? Again, very false.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the only thing that drives it is the desire to prove that there is no deity<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is utterly incorrect. Only creationists view this while everyone else just gets on with believing in God AND Evolution.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And besides the fact that this thread is swimming in ignorance. I'd still like to note a few things.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, you've just added a huge ocean right now.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Critisizing something that you have no understanding of is not really funny, few people have even picked up a book about Evolution, much less, I dare say, the Bible even. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are very clearly one of those who hasn't read a single thing about evolution. If not, prove me wrong by stating the 5 basic tenants of evolution.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Outside of hearing stuff from some teachers who were paid to tell you evolution is real, (they were taught that it was real too, it's an endless cycle), I doubt that many people have any scrap of knowledge about Creationism vs Evolution. Including, the creators of that site.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know a lot about Evolution, being a biochemical/microbiological scientist myself. I also know alot about creationism as well having debated it many times. I know quite a lot about both arguments, and frankly, creationism is just debating skills with no real science. That is a fact sorry.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'll take up my case in the discussion's forum when it's opened later. But I'll leave you the fact that Evolution has not found a dramatic piece of evidence for major evolutionarily change, except for small changes, which can be noted as simply variations in the genetic pool, in which there's a predetermined limit of changes in someones genes, allowing different colors of hair, skin, shapes and so on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which is actually wrong, for example the transitions in horses, birds, reptiles, skull formation, snail shells, bat wings and many many many other examples. The recent genetic developments in homeobox genes and the like also indicate many things about how things evolved. Genes also have effects you wouldn't expect, a novel mutation with increased hight, will often produce children who are slightly higher (even when mated to those who are short as well). This process is thought to have happened in giraffes (who in the fossil record have gotton progressively taller necks).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Evolutionists make some outrageous claims between whales coming from mammals and so on<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Whales ARE mammals</b>. They have hair on their bodies, rudimentary hip bones, the same bones (just fused to varying degrees) and so on. There is VERY strong evidence to indicate they came from mammals. They are also synapsids to finish it off.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->not only this, but they have yet to find a single intermediate bone to prove any progress. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You mean, like the fully existing hip bone or the transitionary forms of ancient whales that still had a mostly fully developed hip. These do exist.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->They can find, the beginning, and the end. A monkey, and a man. They've yet to find any man with a tail, or any other solid proof of a change between the two species. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Except that we have found a rudimentary tail bone (in fact, you have one right now) and many other transitions. The angle between the knees, skull shape, teeth, hands, zygomatic arches etc. Humans lost their tails, so the modern ancestors of humans would also not have a tail (logic follows).
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In addition, there are some very shaky concepts, order out of chaos is impossible, it doesn't happen, I can't make a stack of papers, turn on the ceiling fan for one million years, and come back to see all the papers in the same exact order, in perfect sequence, order out of chaos, is impossible. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually that is a very poor analogy to begin with. Evolution does not make a perfect stack of papers at once. It makes it one at a time over an extremely long time.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd also like to note in that how they can claim that one cell evolved into millions of organisms, yet we only have male and female ?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhhh because that is because what our ancestors evolved too. Also two sexes is not uncommon and is a different logic entirely from asexual reproduction. You also make utterly no sense with this statement.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Or sexual, and asexual. Surely after millions of years we would have different types ?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you know what the *point* of sexual reproduction is on a genetic level? The key advantage it has over asexual reproduction (of which there ARE many DIFFERENT types of asexual reproduction) is that genes are rearranged producing offspring who are better able to meet a CHANGING environment. Asexual animals have a lot of difficulty doing this (unless they have a higher mutation rate, like bacteria).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In short, I don't think its really funny, the only thing that's funny is that people think that creationist science is mutually exclusive. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Creation science isn't a science, hence the fun of that site.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ever single organism on this planet only testifies that there is some genius creator who has one amazing design, and some serious power that an entire body can function.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, not really. There are many different designs and all have flaws or odd quirks that are better explained by evolution. For example, I've mentioned giraffes already. The unusual quirk these animals have is their nerve splits at the same vertebrae as in say us. This is odd because they have far more vetebrae in their necks than we do and there is UTTERLY no point to this. It indicates a vestigial trait more than an 'intelligent design' of any case. The hip bone in whales has been mentioned. The appendix in human beings has no discernable function (I have mine out and am utterly healthy) and our rudimentary ear muscles don't even work anymore.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'll also note the brain, try and come up for a logical reason for that outside of creationism, we still can't understand how our brain works,<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Understanding Chemistry=!Evolution.
Firstly, here is brain evolution 101 (real quick).
We start with sensor kinases (2 step regulatory systems) in the cell membranes of unicellular organisms.
With multicellularity some cells become specialised to the recieving and transmission of signals between cells.
These structures are adapted into a basic 'nerve net' [Cnidarians] that only loosely controls the animals actions and is only 'vaguely' aware.
Eventually we get a more centralised nervous system and an improvement of the nerve net (Ring brain=Insects and Annelids).
Finally we have the higher adaptation of a singular large nervous mass coordinating the rest of the periferal nervous system (Chordates).
Not in detailed, but a simple explanation without the messier genetics.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->yet we're saying that it comes from the same roots as the tree in our back yard..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well no and that is a blatantly ignorant statement as well. I suggest you do reading about evolution first.
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Sorry If I came off a little...objective there. I found the whole thing so ridiculous I was compelled to reply.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sorry to say you don't really know what you are talking about, and have made that VERY clear from your post. I am not insulting you, but that is the immediate impression I got from it.
When you know some solids fact about evolution feel free to discuss it again or carry it on in PM to me (because you get people from both sides who just like saying "You're stupid for believing in god" or "j00 stupid evolutionist, you'll go to hell" and then the moderators get very upset).
Shall we set a date in the Discussion forums then ?
My mistake on the mammal thing, I meant to note that there was a tree drawn from the canine specie to whales.
A 'topic' involving Evolution does not equate to doing a paper on it, nor does it equate to understanding the genetics, microbiology or animal biology behind it. Which book is it BTW?
I've studied evolution for at least 4 years and over 4 disciplines of science. That is a light background comparatively.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Shall we set a date in the Discussion forums then ?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Might as well PM me as I don't think the Discussion forums are ever going to be reopened. Also the mods seem to be relatively leniant on discussions here so long as people don't flame each other like morons, so it could happen here (But it nearly always ends up in tears).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My mistake on the mammal thing, I meant to note that there was a tree drawn from the canine specie to whales.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That isn't important, because whales never evolved from canines. Canines are an entirely different branch of the synapsid chordate lineage. There isn't really much of a reason for canines to be related to whales at all. Mammals are a massive group ranging from Dolphins, to Bats, to us to all sorts of animals. Insinuating that only one evolutionary pathway is viable isn't even anywhere near the truth.