How To Kill With 1 Leap?

ShawnD · July 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">how is it done?</div> I've seen skulks take out a full life heavy armored marine with just 1 leap. When asking if the guy was cheating, people on both teams said that it was possible to do without cheating. I've tried doing this many time and I've never gotten it to work though so what's the secret behind it? How can I get 1 leap kills?

Papercut · July 2003

Well, sitting on a marines head and then leaping straight down would deal an awesome amount of damage, but you dont get to sit on a marines head very often... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

Creepin_Jeezus · July 2003

there was a post on this about a week ago, just search it, it was full of really great info <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Church · July 2003

To kill a HA marine in 2 leaps:

method one: Make sure the HA has no armor.

method two: Go spend 2 thousand dollars on a top-end machine that'll give you 110 fps.

deaths_hand · July 2003

its impossible to kill a HA marine with 1 leap, beleive me ive tried.
its possible to kill non HA with 1 leap though but you have to get them with every tick of the leap which is fairly hard.

the best way to use leap is to "stick" to the marine or structure and leap 3 times rapidly, each leap attack stacks with the last.

from the last time i tested this i figured the actuall full length of leap can do about 340-375 dmg.

to kill a HA marine with leap it takes at least 2 leaps and about 3 or 4 for fully upgraded HA.

the best possible place for leap kills in is in vents, hold down duck and leap striahgt into the marine rapidly and i guarantee he'll die fast (less then 1 second).

BattleTech · July 2003

Well, the only way I can do it in 2.0 is I hold ctrl + use + duck. Ontop of a marine, you can't really stay still like in 1.04, but one leap, facing downwards can take out any marine (HA or LA) in one or two hits.

Torgo · July 2003

Where's Nightcrawler when you need him?

...meh, just do a search, not about leap, but with the keyword "Nightcrawler". I guarantee that all of his posts have "the tricks" to get 300 points of damage or more with leap and kill a fully upgraded HA MARINE in 2 SHOTS!!!!1111

SoulSkorpion · July 2003

It's possible, but it's fps related (I think), it's getting toned down in the next patch, and imho it's not the best use of leap anyway.

Frosty · July 2003

yeah, the damage per touch thing, well touches are based on frame rate per second, so if you have a realy high frame rate, you can build structures faster, and leaps and charges eat things alive.

lagger · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ShawnD @ Jul 13 2003, 09:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I've seen skulks take out a full life heavy armored marine with just 1 leap. When asking if the guy was cheating, people on both teams said that it was possible to do without cheating. I've tried doing this many time and I've never gotten it to work though so what's the secret behind it? How can I get 1 leap kills?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
good fps.

Warfare · July 2003

I found Celerity a good choice for Leap.
Probably because I touch them faster. Killed very easily in closed areas. Open areas was worse, since I'd most of the time just dodge off him, then he shoot me in the bum.

Xzilen · July 2003

Search is your friend <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> Not to be rude, but there have been MANY topics on this.

davidsansome · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Warfare @ Jul 14 2003, 01:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I found Celerity a good choice for Leap.
 </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I've done some tests on this - Celerity doesn't give you more "touches" on the marine, it just makes you travel faster. Adrenaline is much better for leaping, because your energy recharges faster, so you can do more leaps.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Killed very easily in closed areas. Open areas was worse, since I'd most of the time just dodge off him, then he shoot me in the bum.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> Closed areas like vents are great for leaping, because you'll stay attatched to the marine all the time. It's also good when you get them up against walls, or crouching in a corner (jump on the marine's head, and leap down).

I think Roobubba did a good leaping guide a while back, as well as a guide on increasing your FPS...

Kaniran · July 2003

Yes, leap is FPS based. So is charge, though it does much more damage and is easier to hit with so you don't see many threads on "How to kill with charge."

Anyway, to kill an HA with a single leap, you must have 100 fps. Then you must also hit them with the entire leap, following the good advise that has been layed out above.

Just to make my point, Leap is FPS based!!

Turkey2 · July 2003

Yeah go see roobs guide I have been working on my leaping a lot lately and finally started to get good with it, of course that was after I went from 60 fps to 100 (using roobs vsync guide). I can leap structures now too, though it is hard to stay on some of them. Most of my vertical leaps down on marines are not easily repeatable, but highly funny as they do kill almost instantly. I tend to do one at them then fall off and do one coming back. Btw a machine that can get 100 fps in ns is actually quite cheap, if you are upgrading your system could be done easily for $400 or less depending on what you already have. I might have been able to get 100 with my athlon 800 but I dont know cus I had vsync on.

Oh yeah if you were buying from scratch you could get one for about $1000-1100 depending on what extras you wanted.

Lt_Hendrickson · July 2003

i think ive only gotten 2 leap kills in my ns career. Wow im bad at it. I stick with leap close, bite. But usually with two hives I'm lerking.

ThinG · July 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (davidsansome @ Jul 14 2003, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Warfare @ Jul 14 2003, 01:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I found Celerity a good choice for Leap.
</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
I've done some tests on this - Celerity doesn't give you more "touches" on the marine, it just makes you travel faster. Adrenaline is much better for leaping, because your energy recharges faster, so you can do more leaps.

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Killed very easily in closed areas. Open areas was worse, since I'd most of the time just dodge off him, then he shoot me in the bum.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> Closed areas like vents are great for leaping, because you'll stay attatched to the marine all the time. It's also good when you get them up against walls, or crouching in a corner (jump on the marine's head, and leap down).

I think Roobubba did a good leaping guide a while back, as well as a guide on increasing your FPS...  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I actually tested leaping on robin, seeing if celerity increased the number of ticks <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'> (it didn't <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'> ) (it should! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'> )

Most of the time it would have been alot of luck, and turbo framerate to kill a Ha in 1 leap, now a jp or a normal marine is easy, just hold down crouch, so you don't stick to the marine and keep rubbing him (yes, I know that sounds kinky).

Cheers <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

SinSpawn · July 2003

When I leap, I always hold forward, like ONOS charge, do you need to stay on the marine or keep pressing forward for damage....NS is so complicated lol

Soberana · July 2003

Nightcrawler wasnt that good at leaping :/

NightCrawlerz · July 2003

LOL! and how would you know? Ive never ever played with you. And if i had you would have not said wha tyou did. i almost always get top score.
i stay skulk all game every game and beat out those acid spaming fades. Past second hive the only attack i use is leap. Please come play some time at the Quickfrag server. Ive also been hanging out at nano gridlock whenever theres a slot open. SO just COOOOMMMMMMEEEE on downnnnn. Id be more than happy to add you to my score.

DarkFrost · July 2003

Sigh why can noone answer peoples questions anymore <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

To leap kill a HA marine in one leap:

After you initiate the leap you will "attach" to the marine, at this moment hold duck to drop down the marine. Works 90% of the time. (edit i forgot to add* This is at 100FPS, and also, if the marine has a ping in the regeion of 500, its near impossible to leap kill him, as he has already fired enough shots, his end, to kill you before you even touch him, your end, even although u dont see him fire untill you have been in contact for a couple of seconds.)

I do not understand nightcrawlers boasting, Leap is the second most powerfull attack the alien team has (second to charge), it is VERY easy to kill with, doesnt take alot of skill, and is fast enough so that you'll likely manage to leap 4 marines while taking little damage yourself (although the better the shot, obviously the harder it is <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>) So mate, what you are saying is, in TFC u go sniper because u will liekly top the table as his gun kills in one shot, in CS you take awp, as it kills in one shot, and you'll likely kill in one shot, in quake2 and quake3 you take the railgun, because like above it take the least shots in the game to kill anything. HOWEVER the difference with leap is, you dont need super fast aim to pull off.

NightCrawlerz · July 2003

lol, you make soooo many assuptions. I personaly always root for the underdog. Thats why i began using the skulk all game every game in the first place. People called skulks weak and obsolete past hive 1 so i set out to prove them wrong. Everytime i gorge i try to convice the aleins to go sensory first. In TFC i use the spy. in CS i use the TMP and silenced pistol ONLY and never ever use a AWP( i hate the awp). In unreal tournment 2003 i only use the sheild gun.

And yes putting my self up to challanges in every mod i play has made me a better player. ID suggest you do the same.

DarkFrost · July 2003

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'> tbh, its the way you boast on about things that brings the assumptions on, i apologise, as for the underdog, i rarely evolve past lerk on the evolutionary scale of things, as i too like the challenge, I rarely take a DC upgrade as skulk, as i too like a challenge, if anything from the MCs ill take celerity, and im still not fully convinced that sensory chambers are as bad as the cloaking munkeys (yes thats what ive deemed to calling people who call the sensory chamber cloaking) make out, as the other two upgrades (both visual aiding) are very helpful, but thats another argument (before flaming begins im not saying have whatever chamber first, thats entirely up to the team and the situation <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>)

I like the challenge of NS, hell thats one reason to even go alien in the first place for me :S

*edit* forgot to say, leap isnt for the underdog, leap will kill any marine you attack in less than a second <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

NightCrawlerz · July 2003

Youd be supprised how many people still dont understand the potential of leap. every server i go to theres people who dont understand, and guess what people think when your pwning with a skill that says it only does 16 damage. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

i remeber when everyone thought that leap only did 16 damage. I made the 2nd post about the reality of how much damage leap does. And from that point on i went about spreading the gosple that is skulk ownage.

o yeah... what server do you play on frost? Id liek to play with a fellow leaper.

DarkFrost · July 2003

I play on many of the uk servers
but mostly these two

**** Brits! - Natural Selection 1.04 213.230.205.100:27015 *edit*<------- lol server name gets filtered :O

Roob's *NO TIME FOR MUPPETS* v1.05 Custom [CDreq] 213.160.110.215:27015 <--- where MANY and i mean MANY player leap, alot.

J_D_W · July 2003

maybe you should ask [viagra] Thing and Willeh (WILLEH!). Thing is pretty good at leaping and Willeh probably is too. lol.

taboofires · August 2003

Important notes about this thread: almost all of the posts are july 22 or earlier, and 2.0 was released at the end of the month.

Other things to clear up:
- fps shouldn't effect damage or speed anymore. This includes build speeds, charge, and leap.
- If leap still works the way it used to, a "touch" is only registered if you press against your target. Hold forward.
- Leaping 3 times rapidly is a waste of energy, just like charging 3 times rapidly is. The damage window for leap is something like one second, and continues even if you hit the ground. Wait about one second between leap firings to optimize energy usage.

How To Kill With 1 Leap?

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