Lerkers Represent!

briDgebriDge Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17583Members
<div class="IPBDescription">2.0 changes...</div> of all the Kharaa lifeforms, lerking is definitely my favorite. So many people think the lerk is just a support lifeform good for just one thing - umbra. Spikes however pack quite a punch, and most marines just aren't used to them and are often confused when getting hit from a distance with no trace of a sound.

Anyways, I'm wondering what the lerksters here think about the changes to the lerk that will be coming in 2.0. I'll post my thoughts later.


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  • FaT_CaMFaT_CaM Join Date: 2003-04-11 Member: 15394Members
    Ranged umbra will be soooo useful. I'm glad they gave lerks primal scream as well, since onos is already uber powerful, it gives lerks more of an oppurtunity to assist in base raids.
  • AkumaAkuma Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9219Members, Constellation
    I'm sad to hear bite going away...lerks were the ultimate unguarded turret farm killer.

    Although primal scream spikes....that is scary.
  • SinSpawnSinSpawn Harbinger of Suffering Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8359Members
    I think <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> won't be good for taking out buildings quick anymore :/ with the bite 75 dmg, taking out a <!--emo&::sentry::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/turret.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='turret.gif'><!--endemo--> with spikes will be long...
  • IceIce Join Date: 2003-03-29 Member: 15008Members
    I just love gliding trough a hallway to a marine and biting him. Got an OMG HAX!!!!!1111oneoneone once <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • p4lp4l Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17461Members
    Normally I'm so bad at lerk I don't even try but today I was playing Tanith, heard that there were 4 jp/shotgun wussies coming (Surprise surprise, eh comm? JP/Shottie or HMG rush... UNHEARD OF!) so I decided to go lerk for spikes.

    Wow! It suddenly just clicked! I got all 4 of them just flying around spiking, and 1 from bite as he ran out of ammo entirely I think, and pulled out a knife to try and finish the hive (it was down to below 500). I got him too :-0

    Lerked more after that, quite succesful quite fun. I'm sad to see bite go, but I think ranged umbra makes up for it. And as long as I get my new friends the spikes...
  • FaT_CaMFaT_CaM Join Date: 2003-04-11 Member: 15394Members
    Right! people start posting lerk pics!
  • LoveDaddyLoveDaddy Join Date: 2003-03-19 Member: 14682Members
    so whats the definative 2.0 lerk changes......im to lazy to check.... <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> IIINNCOOMMING
  • XCanXCan Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5904Members, Constellation
    No matter how much anyone will say now that kills don't matter I will still state this. I don't know how good the lerks in 2.0 will be in killing, however if it turns out that lerks are not good at killing anything ranging from buildings to marines it will probably make it unpopular.
    Sure you shouldn't care about kills but you shouldn't forget and you cannot deny that killing makes you happy. If you say: yah but clans yadayada for your team yadayada. Maybe that's true, but I'm very sure it will affect clan-play too, as like atm no one in a clan wants to guard the base. Well we'll see how it turns out...
  • DubbilexDubbilex Chump Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9799Members
    When one really thinks about, it's kinda hard to imagine the lerk belting out the eerie bellow of primal scream.

    I didn't think the l'il guy had it in him...
  • TotalNooBTotalNooB Join Date: 2003-05-21 Member: 16563Members
    Maybe it gets a lot higher, something like the screams from the Alien movies (I haven't watched them in a while, but I'm fairly sure at least one of the aliens had a very high-pitched scream, probably because it was covered in hot lead)?
    Primal Screech doesn't have that same ring to it, though...
  • DubbilexDubbilex Chump Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9799Members
    I'm sure HOPING that they got a new PS sound <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Yeah-I was thinking along the lines of the crazy 'Swooping bird of death harpy-like scream,' instead of the beastly please-don't-hurt-me Primal scream that we at the present (sorta) use.
  • PegePege Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10088Members
    edited July 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--XCan+Jul 3 2003, 11:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XCan @ Jul 3 2003, 11:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No matter how much anyone will say now that kills don't matter I will still state this. I don't know how good the lerks in 2.0 will be in killing, however if it turns out that lerks are not good at killing anything ranging from buildings to marines it will probably make it unpopular.
    Sure you shouldn't care about kills but you shouldn't forget and you cannot deny that killing makes you happy. If you say: yah but clans yadayada for your team yadayada. Maybe that's true, but I'm very sure it will affect clan-play too, as like atm no one in a clan wants to guard the base. Well we'll see how it turns out... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Nobody likes playing a support unit. Why would you "help" and watch others kill stuff when you could be doing it yourself? Kinda like being in base when commander drops HA/HMGs and then staying behind to guard undefended base "just in case nearby skulks rush" when the squad goes to a hive and kicks ***... RT cappers (who do it voluntarily) and base bit**es are a rarity. Let's hope lerk won't become one.
  • Lt_HendricksonLt_Hendrickson Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14761Members
    SAVE THE LERK BITE

    rid the spores, i hate spores, i refuse to use them, so cheap and lame.
  • FaT_CaMFaT_CaM Join Date: 2003-04-11 Member: 15394Members
    no i'd rather get rid of primal scream, no bite means lerks are good for marine killing and support only.
  • ThE_HeRoThE_HeRo Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12723Members
    I like bite and all, but imagine a lerk, primal screamed, shooting spikes. Its basically like your marine LMG, except dealing almost twice the damage per shot.

    "we need a HML over here!"

    "HML? WTH?"

    "Heavy Machine Lerk"
  • SkydancerSkydancer Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14959Members, Constellation
    yes but that at 2 hives....


    what about substituting bite with a "rake" attack similar to bite, only that it does less dmg and you can use it only when flying and it does more dmg the more speed you have? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> (ok ok quit joking.)
  • GrimmGrimm Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15448Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Dubbilex Posted on Jul 3 2003, 02:19 PM
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    I'm sure HOPING that they got a new PS sound 

    Yeah-I was thinking along the lines of the crazy 'Swooping bird of death harpy-like scream,' instead of the beastly please-don't-hurt-me Primal scream that we at the present (sorta) use. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Its funny how you mention the Onos PS sound because I've completely forgotten what the original sounded like. I got a NS sound replacement pack from planethalflife, and I've replaced nearly all the marine weapon sounds as well as numerous skulk sounds.

    Back to the Lerk thing, although bite has brought in kills for the Lerks, I've never been in a game where a Lerk got more kills from bite than spikes. And being a support unit shouldn't be looked down upon, especially when Lerk will have Primal Scream. Primal Scream is an extremely helpful (attack?) that will give yoyr team a great advantage.
  • SkydancerSkydancer Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14959Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Grimm+Jul 4 2003, 03:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grimm @ Jul 4 2003, 03:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Dubbilex Posted on Jul 3 2003, 02:19 PM
    I've never been in a game where a Lerk got more kills from bite than spikes. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    then you have never seen a game with a biting lerk player in, when I lerk i usually get something like 30-4 at the end of the round, with 24+ kills with bite, a pair with spikes and the rest skulk bites from before


    I'm not praising my own skills, sorry if it seems... :/
  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Members
    i wonder if they are uppiing the spike damage considering it is the only attack for the lerk....
  • Lt_HendricksonLt_Hendrickson Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14761Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Grimm+Jul 4 2003, 03:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grimm @ Jul 4 2003, 03:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Dubbilex Posted on Jul 3 2003, 02:19 PM
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    I'm sure HOPING that they got a new PS sound 

    Yeah-I was thinking along the lines of the crazy 'Swooping bird of death harpy-like scream,' instead of the beastly please-don't-hurt-me Primal scream that we at the present (sorta) use. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Its funny how you mention the Onos PS sound because I've completely forgotten what the original sounded like. I got a NS sound replacement pack from planethalflife, and I've replaced nearly all the marine weapon sounds as well as numerous skulk sounds.

    Back to the Lerk thing, although bite has brought in kills for the Lerks, I've never been in a game where a Lerk got more kills from bite than spikes. And being a support unit shouldn't be looked down upon, especially when Lerk will have Primal Scream. Primal Scream is an extremely helpful (attack?) that will give yoyr team a great advantage. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Youve never seen a lerk get more kills with bite. Open your eyeys man, theres some lerks out there that can rack up millions of kills with bite and never have to spit a spike.

    And i got nothing against primal scream. I want gas to go. I hate spores. I really really do hate them.
  • SkydancerSkydancer Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14959Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Lt. Hendrickson+Jul 4 2003, 05:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt. Hendrickson @ Jul 4 2003, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And i got nothing against primal scream. I want gas to go. I hate spores. I really really do hate them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Me too. I find them dishonorable.
  • davidsansomedavidsansome Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13228Members, Constellation
    Lerk bite is amazing. It's probably the weapon that requires the most skill to use, and, let's face it, it's so satisfying to swoop down on that unsuspecting marine and chomp off his head <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Spikes are great for large areas (refinery hive, viaduct, etc), but they're just not as fun to use.
    And spores, well, they're just boring.

    I think Flayra should do another poll on this - there are a lot of great lerk biters out there (Frost? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->), and it would be a shame to see such a great ability be removed.

    And now for the clickable smiley... <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SkydancerSkydancer Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14959Members, Constellation
    flay already did that poll and as the majority of people think that lerks aren't made for biting, the poll ended with the bite removal.
  • Lt_HendricksonLt_Hendrickson Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14761Members
    I had a whole post on how **** up that poll was which acidently got like a thousand responses. At last check i reedited first post but theres some incorrect info i put it when i edited but no one responded since so its still there.. And if your read it right, 40% did vote for a option which included bite. So bite barly lost if a **** up biased poll.
  • briDgebriDge Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17583Members
    I dont really have a problem with spores. I could see how one might consider them "cheap" or dishonorable... however when you think about it spores are one of the few weapons capable of dealing with the cheapest of the marine tactics, like camping single-entrance vents or rooms.

    Regardless, the more I think about it the more I think lerk bite should not go away. Primal scream seems like a great new ability for the lerk, but bite should stay.
  • a_civiliana_civilian Likes seeing numbers Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12041Members, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead
    <!--QuoteBegin--Lt. Hendrickson+Jul 3 2003, 07:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt. Hendrickson @ Jul 3 2003, 07:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->rid the spores, i hate spores, i refuse to use them, so cheap and lame.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What makes you think that?
  • davidsansomedavidsansome Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13228Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Skydancer+Jul 4 2003, 10:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Skydancer @ Jul 4 2003, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> flay already did that poll and as the majority of people think that lerks aren't made for biting, the poll ended with the bite removal. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know - I was saying he should do another poll to make sure <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I only learned how to use a lerk properly in the last few weeks. Needless to say I voted against bite in that poll, because I had no idea of how powerful it was.

    Maybe a new poll, and possibly a demo of a lerk taking out a 5 man JP rush, will convince Flayra otherwise.

    a civilian:
    Spores are cheap and lame because they require so little skill to use - you just point in the general direction of some marines, and fire. They can be fun for getting huge number of kills at once, but generally they're a really boring weapon for both sides.
  • DebonairDebonair Join Date: 2002-12-02 Member: 10399Members
    I dunno about all of this spores are dishonorable bit, Its a third hive attack, which in my mind says that its time the aliens won the game if it gets that far. Furthermore, once the aliens do get 3 hives what is keeping the amarines alive at that point? Probably grenade spamming. Thus in mind I say, kill the little **** with it, besides a marine on the move wont have a problem with it. Only the ones sitting on the spawn taking another bite of their cheese burger will end biting the dust...
  • a_civiliana_civilian Likes seeing numbers Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12041Members, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead
    <!--QuoteBegin--davidsansome+Jul 5 2003, 05:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (davidsansome @ Jul 5 2003, 05:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->a civilian:
    Spores are cheap and lame because they require so little skill to use - you just point in the general direction of some marines, and fire.  They can be fun for getting huge number of kills at once, but generally they're a really boring weapon for both sides.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Perhaps that is the case for 1.04 spores, but with the weakened 2.0 spores I doubt you will be able to get many kills with that method.
  • rennexrennex Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2688Members
    When a Lerk shoots spores, you can see the general area where the spores will hit. That gives you enough time to start moving away. Plus lerks are like paper to even LMGs.

    Flayra wants Lerks to be a support unit, thats why it has Umbra and Primal Scream. You're gonna find it VERY difficult to fly around the map with the sole purpose of racking up kills.
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