<!--QuoteBegin--vP-|Pikey+Jul 5 2003, 02:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (vP-|Pikey @ Jul 5 2003, 02:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i say the armoury should give a full clip per "use"... it just doesn't make sense why it would only give HALF clips.. not only that.. it'll reduce the time humping... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Even then, they will STILL hump the armory too much.
I was comming on eclipse. Their hive was maintenance and we were trying to take keyhole. We had a phase gate, mines and turrets up but were of course under constant attack. It was getting pretty frantic and looked like we were about to lose the TF & PG. I quickly glanced at our spawn to find some tool and his mate sitting at spawn humping away at that sexy beast of an armoury. I ordered them to go through the phase, but of course they kept a-humpin'. Everybody else was dead, or doing their own thing elsewhere. Everyone was aware of the situation @ keyhole however (I made sure of that). These guys finally filled up their precious ammobagz of leetness and proceeded to sit at spawn, spamming requests for JP/HMG. I began abusing them over voicecomm as I was quite annoyed at this stage and our base at keyhole was all but gone. <b>Finally</b>, after screaming PHASE PHASE PHASE (interjected with several expletives of course) until almost blue in the face, they phased through but died almost instantly as the amount of skulks there was now overwhelming.
5 seconds later, I started receiving abuse. 'YOU STOOPIT FKIN N00B KOMM, WHY THE HELL DID YOU TELL US TO FASE THROO??~1!1!one1!!1 YOU MADE US DYE!' This then escalated into insults aimed at my mother, then my father. Highly offensive of course.
Only problem with that is, when I DO want ammo, I like to keep an eye on our entrances to watch for sneaky skulks that think they have an easy meal. Putting the armoury in a corner or an awkward place makes this nearly impossible in most cases.
The funny thing about armoury hump0rz is that for some reason, they seem to think they're invulnerable whilst they fill up their ammobagz of leetness. That is, until a skulk comes and chomps their rectal region.
<!--QuoteBegin--p4l+Jun 30 2003, 02:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (p4l @ Jun 30 2003, 02:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just lost a game that would have been so easy to win, due to one thing: The armory, and peoples strange sexual attraction to it. Everyone is humping it! It's an armory gangbang! It's out of control.
It's more frustrating losing a game because your team is armory humping than it is to lose as alien to JP/HMG rush, more frustrating than losing due to a dumb comm, more frustrating than someone using a bug and hiding in some ridiculous spot for 10 minutes... it's madenning to me. I can't stand it.
This is just for anyone who doesn't think their armory humping is a problem: We're on eclipse, we have a TF with 4 turrets and a siege outside their first, and only, hive. They have carapace level 2 and get 3 soon after this happens, but here it is: We have 4-5 guys there. Their hive is in maint, very close to our spawn, simple to get to, no problem. The team can't manage, though. Of the 4-5 guys on a 10 man team, we get wiped out by what looks like an entire skulk team rush, short the gorge who is off capping. They take us down with heavy losses, but their hive is right their so very very close, they get back to us almost immediately. 15 seconds after the first dead skulk, a new one comes, and a new one 10 seconds after that etc. etc. etc. Doesn't matter, we have turrets, a few mines, and a phase gate about 50% done. We can win it, easily.
But the team dies, and stop to hump the armory.
In the 5 seconds in takes them to get all that ammo, the TF is down. Then when they get there, they die before making it through their second clip since it's 5 marines vs. 8 skulks. Of course, I was harrasing them with my 100 bullets, slowing them down, too. If I hadn't been there, they would have taken the turrets or pg as well as the TF. Ok, so we've lost that... our guys go down, but they lose all but 2 skulks. Our team is respawning, I am 4th in line, drop in and BOOM of COURSE, 3 guys around an armory. HOW CAN YOU BE SO STUPID?!?!?!? What's left of our outpost is slowly being eaten as you sit and load up on more bullets you will never use. Being prepared is one thing, but this is stupid. Time is SO important early on. And when 5 guys go someplace, DO NOT BE THE 1 GUY STANDING AT THE ARMORY. Team play is PIVOTAL, and here's the kicker: You respawn. Apparently people don't know this, when you die you respawn in an ip... it's not your one and only life, so you don't have to make it count. Our belated comm was shouting at people 'Just go and die!!! SLOW THEM DOWN!'. No one listened. They humped, they humped, we were conquered. GFG.
This happens every game I Play marines as, and often enough costs the win. YOU DO NOT NEED 250 BULLETS TO RUSH TO DEFEND SOME PLACE.
Transmission over. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Armory Humping really depends on what your strat is and what type of offensive group is moving out. I would suggest for 3+ Pressure group to get full ammo unless needed somewhere else fast, I suggest base guard get 150-200 depending. Rsr capper can leave with 100-150 and get more if needed from the comm. These are my suggestions.
Another solution to this problem would be to allow the comm to place temporary ammo restrictions on people. Making it so that x marine is limited to 50/100 ammo max or something. Though this would probly cause problems with llama comms though. The marine that humps the armory will probly just sit around base when this happens and **** anyways. May be a pain to implement, probably easier to put in disabling armory, just another suggestion. I personally tend to be fodder when playing as a marine and usually only load up to 50/100 max no matter what I'm doing. If I need more I go back, ask the comm or both.
I don't think you need to do anything to the game, this is only a problem with some players. As a COM you can take steps to avoid it:
Place the armory either so that it overlooks the entrances or in an uncomfortable humping spot. Better yet, place it where you want the Marines to be and don't drop one in base until you have to.
Explain to the players that they don't need to hump right now. teaching a newbie this has a good effect on the player base and is the best solution. Unfortunately some people aren't very responsive.
If it is really grotesque, recycle the armory.
Or......
Play on servers with less newbies. Good players know when and when not to hump the armory.
We can't design away the lameness of people by changing the game, only by changing the people that play it.
I was comming on eclipse. Their hive was maintenance and we were trying to take keyhole. We had a phase gate, mines and turrets up but were of course under constant attack. It was getting pretty frantic and looked like we were about to lose the TF & PG. I quickly glanced at our spawn to find some tool and his mate sitting at spawn humping away at that sexy beast of an armoury. I ordered them to go through the phase, but of course they kept a-humpin'. Everybody else was dead, or doing their own thing elsewhere. Everyone was aware of the situation @ keyhole however (I made sure of that). These guys finally filled up their precious ammobagz of leetness and proceeded to sit at spawn, spamming requests for JP/HMG. I began abusing them over voicecomm as I was quite annoyed at this stage and our base at keyhole was all but gone. <b>Finally</b>, after screaming PHASE PHASE PHASE (interjected with several expletives of course) until almost blue in the face, they phased through but died almost instantly as the amount of skulks there was now overwhelming.
5 seconds later, I started receiving abuse. 'YOU STOOPIT FKIN N00B KOMM, WHY THE HELL DID YOU TELL US TO FASE THROO??~1!1!one1!!1 YOU MADE US DYE!' This then escalated into insults aimed at my mother, then my father. Highly offensive of course.
Hi kwal characters to be sure. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So they filled up on ammo for one gun, while a base was dying, then asked for another gun to fill up on? They probably would have asked for a gl to fill up on after the hmg....
CheeseLork on the ClorfJoin Date: 2003-12-15Member: 24396Members, Constellation
well this **** happened to me too a lot of times. I scream GET TROUGH THE PHASE GATE. Dont take ammo. Nooo they walk slowly to the armory. 250. oh my pistol also needs ammo. 30. oh my knife... no just joking. so most of the times the pg is down at this time but when they walk through 3 skulks already surrounded the pg and they die without even emptying their clip.
hmm solution: i hope there will be an eject marines button in 3.0 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
no normally i tell those marines that they dont even have to ask me about medpacks any more.
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Even then, they will STILL hump the armory too much.
I was comming on eclipse. Their hive was maintenance and we were trying to take keyhole. We had a phase gate, mines and turrets up but were of course under constant attack. It was getting pretty frantic and looked like we were about to lose the TF & PG. I quickly glanced at our spawn to find some tool and his mate sitting at spawn humping away at that sexy beast of an armoury. I ordered them to go through the phase, but of course they kept a-humpin'. Everybody else was dead, or doing their own thing elsewhere. Everyone was aware of the situation @ keyhole however (I made sure of that). These guys finally filled up their precious ammobagz of leetness and proceeded to sit at spawn, spamming requests for JP/HMG. I began abusing them over voicecomm as I was quite annoyed at this stage and our base at keyhole was all but gone. <b>Finally</b>, after screaming PHASE PHASE PHASE (interjected with several expletives of course) until almost blue in the face, they phased through but died almost instantly as the amount of skulks there was now overwhelming.
5 seconds later, I started receiving abuse. 'YOU STOOPIT FKIN N00B KOMM, WHY THE HELL DID YOU TELL US TO FASE THROO??~1!1!one1!!1 YOU MADE US DYE!'
This then escalated into insults aimed at my mother, then my father. Highly offensive of course.
Hi kwal characters to be sure.
Only problem with that is, when I DO want ammo, I like to keep an eye on our entrances to watch for sneaky skulks that think they have an easy meal. Putting the armoury in a corner or an awkward place makes this nearly impossible in most cases.
The funny thing about armoury hump0rz is that for some reason, they seem to think they're invulnerable whilst they fill up their ammobagz of leetness. That is, until a skulk comes and chomps their rectal region.
It's more frustrating losing a game because your team is armory humping than it is to lose as alien to JP/HMG rush, more frustrating than losing due to a dumb comm, more frustrating than someone using a bug and hiding in some ridiculous spot for 10 minutes... it's madenning to me. I can't stand it.
This is just for anyone who doesn't think their armory humping is a problem: We're on eclipse, we have a TF with 4 turrets and a siege outside their first, and only, hive. They have carapace level 2 and get 3 soon after this happens, but here it is: We have 4-5 guys there. Their hive is in maint, very close to our spawn, simple to get to, no problem. The team can't manage, though. Of the 4-5 guys on a 10 man team, we get wiped out by what looks like an entire skulk team rush, short the gorge who is off capping. They take us down with heavy losses, but their hive is right their so very very close, they get back to us almost immediately. 15 seconds after the first dead skulk, a new one comes, and a new one 10 seconds after that etc. etc. etc. Doesn't matter, we have turrets, a few mines, and a phase gate about 50% done. We can win it, easily.
But the team dies, and stop to hump the armory.
In the 5 seconds in takes them to get all that ammo, the TF is down. Then when they get there, they die before making it through their second clip since it's 5 marines vs. 8 skulks. Of course, I was harrasing them with my 100 bullets, slowing them down, too. If I hadn't been there, they would have taken the turrets or pg as well as the TF. Ok, so we've lost that... our guys go down, but they lose all but 2 skulks. Our team is respawning, I am 4th in line, drop in and BOOM of COURSE, 3 guys around an armory. HOW CAN YOU BE SO STUPID?!?!?!? What's left of our outpost is slowly being eaten as you sit and load up on more bullets you will never use. Being prepared is one thing, but this is stupid. Time is SO important early on. And when 5 guys go someplace, DO NOT BE THE 1 GUY STANDING AT THE ARMORY. Team play is PIVOTAL, and here's the kicker: You respawn. Apparently people don't know this, when you die you respawn in an ip... it's not your one and only life, so you don't have to make it count. Our belated comm was shouting at people 'Just go and die!!! SLOW THEM DOWN!'. No one listened. They humped, they humped, we were conquered. GFG.
This happens every game I Play marines as, and often enough costs the win. YOU DO NOT NEED 250 BULLETS TO RUSH TO DEFEND SOME PLACE.
Transmission over. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Armory Humping really depends on what your strat is and what type of offensive group is moving out. I would suggest for 3+ Pressure group to get full ammo unless needed somewhere else fast, I suggest base guard get 150-200 depending. Rsr capper can leave with 100-150 and get more if needed from the comm. These are my suggestions.
/shrug, I dunno.
-Change/Gimp
Place the armory either so that it overlooks the entrances or in an uncomfortable humping spot. Better yet, place it where you want the Marines to be and don't drop one in base until you have to.
Explain to the players that they don't need to hump right now. teaching a newbie this has a good effect on the player base and is the best solution. Unfortunately some people aren't very responsive.
If it is really grotesque, recycle the armory.
Or......
Play on servers with less newbies. Good players know when and when not to hump the armory.
We can't design away the lameness of people by changing the game, only by changing the people that play it.
I was comming on eclipse. Their hive was maintenance and we were trying to take keyhole. We had a phase gate, mines and turrets up but were of course under constant attack. It was getting pretty frantic and looked like we were about to lose the TF & PG. I quickly glanced at our spawn to find some tool and his mate sitting at spawn humping away at that sexy beast of an armoury. I ordered them to go through the phase, but of course they kept a-humpin'. Everybody else was dead, or doing their own thing elsewhere. Everyone was aware of the situation @ keyhole however (I made sure of that). These guys finally filled up their precious ammobagz of leetness and proceeded to sit at spawn, spamming requests for JP/HMG. I began abusing them over voicecomm as I was quite annoyed at this stage and our base at keyhole was all but gone. <b>Finally</b>, after screaming PHASE PHASE PHASE (interjected with several expletives of course) until almost blue in the face, they phased through but died almost instantly as the amount of skulks there was now overwhelming.
5 seconds later, I started receiving abuse. 'YOU STOOPIT FKIN N00B KOMM, WHY THE HELL DID YOU TELL US TO FASE THROO??~1!1!one1!!1 YOU MADE US DYE!'
This then escalated into insults aimed at my mother, then my father. Highly offensive of course.
Hi kwal characters to be sure. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So they filled up on ammo for one gun, while a base was dying, then asked for another gun to fill up on? They probably would have asked for a gl to fill up on after the hmg....
so most of the times the pg is down at this time but when they walk through 3 skulks already surrounded the pg and they die without even emptying their clip.
hmm solution: i hope there will be an eject marines button in 3.0 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
no normally i tell those marines that they dont even have to ask me about medpacks any more.