Strange that no one's mentioned the Lord of the Rings yet. But I guess people assume that everyone's read it (which is far from true). No one's mentioned Anne McAfferty's Dragonwing series either...
Not sci-fi or fantasy, but still a very recommended read: Wild at Heart, by John Eldredge
Reading through this all, I noticed nobody mentioned <a href='http://www.gizmology.net/lovecraft/index.htm' target='_blank'>Lovecraft</a> yet. This needs to be changed <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 21 2003, 02:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 21 2003, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Reading through this all, I noticed nobody mentioned <a href='http://www.gizmology.net/lovecraft/index.htm' target='_blank'>Lovecraft</a> yet. This needs to be changed <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
If you haven't read short stories by H. P. Lovecraft or Clark Ashton Smith, do so now. They are beautiful, strange and rather twisted too. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Sycophant+Jun 21 2003, 05:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sycophant @ Jun 21 2003, 05:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Terry Goodkind's "Sword of Truth" series - it's a very good fantasy series which is mainly targeted more towards (slightly) more mature readers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Slightly? Those series have everything from destroy to toture. They are quite an intruiging read mind, but not all of the books are pulled off nearly so well as others.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 21 2003, 10:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 21 2003, 10:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, it's not as if the Odyssey (interesting to finally find out how it's spelled in English) had constantly stayed part of the everyday culture since it was first written. To bring an example up: During the last two years, I read many works of Georg Büchner, a German author of the beginning 18th century. Fifty years ago, his writings were nearly forgotten until they were rediscovered. Books are written, books are ignored, books are discovered, books are forgotten, books experience revivals.
Well possible that in twohundred years, the Odyssey will have nearly vanished from the public eye, while the Lord of the Rings recieves constant attention. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Again, good points. But then again, The Lord of The Rings has only been around what, sixty, fifty years? Plus, The Odyssey gets points because it survived the whole Dark Ages thing. I geuss what im saying is, an author or a novel is truly literature when, a hundred years after it was written, you can grab any schmuck off the street, say the title to him and 9 times out of 10, he'll know what youre talking about. Off the top of my head I can name, oh, three 19th-early 20th century authors, Charles Dickens, Mark Twain and Jules Verne. Thats not to say that there wernt others but they are undeniably great. But youre right, in 100 years there will be over looked authors too. Ever read Chris Odanjentee? Probably not. But he is writing works of <i>literature</i> that are most likely going to be passed over. Your example, Buchner, is excellent. It rings a bell to me but other than that I draw a blank. And about the Odyessy fading away, I doubt it. I liken it to the F word. It can be really old but it'll never go out of style.
I've got two on the go at the moment. First up the light reading (on the train to work etc) i've been reading The Last Human by Doug Naylor. It's a Red Dwarf book so it'll only really appeal to Red Dwarf fans, it's fantastic a great laugh and reads really well.
On the heavy side i've been reading The Origin Of Species by Darwin. Rather fascinating actually, even if it is all about weird cabbages and birds with eyes for knees.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 21 2003, 02:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 21 2003, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [Edit]BTW, concerning Heinlein - am I the only one who can't stand his sociological ideas? Everytime someone quotes the 'Violence resolves everything' line, I have the urge of leaving the room.[/Edit] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ehhh, have you actually read the book? Your quote as written is at best paraphrased and out of context, but at worst is just made up and inaccurate...
You can take Monse out of the discussion forum but you can't take the discussion forum out of Monse <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyway, incase someone hasn't mentioned it "Animal Farm" and "1984"
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Well, it does really. In a way. Name any problem, excluding theological ones, and violence will probably solve it. It will most likely make new ones but thats besides the point.
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<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jun 21 2003, 04:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jun 21 2003, 04:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 21 2003, 02:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 21 2003, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [Edit]BTW, concerning Heinlein - am I the only one who can't stand his sociological ideas? Everytime someone quotes the 'Violence resolves everything' line, I have the urge of leaving the room.[/Edit] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ehhh, have you actually read the book? Your quote as written is at best paraphrased and out of context, but at worst is just made up and inaccurate...
And it does. Neener. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think the quote he is referring to is <!--QuoteBegin-- Robert Heinlein+ In Fear--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ( Robert Heinlein @ In Fear)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyone who clings to the historically untrue -- and -- thoroughly immoral doctrine that violence never solves anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler would referee. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor; and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms.
the last great fantasy book i read was Elvenbane by andre norton and mercedes lackey. i remember it being spectacular, however i read it in 8th grade, so it might be kiddy crap, i wouldnt know. cant hurt to pick it up at a library free.
Thanks, Moultano. Note that I didn't use quotes <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyway, every time I read this, I feel Heinlein must have had extreme fun writing it. He enjoyed himself immensely 'destroying' a myth of the nutjobs. The truth is that he mixed two words up: 'Resolve' and 'postpone'. Has violence postponed conflicts? Yes, but only by making a solution even less likely. (Note to MonsE: If you think about bringing WW2 up here, prepare for me to post two pages of pictures of neo-nazis <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) It is true that I never read Starship Troopers - which doesn't have to mean I didn't try. I did however never get past the synopsises.
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant The Unbeliever, they're by Stephen R. Donaldson. How has anyone not mentioned these yet ??
Check out Privateer by Ben Bova. In fact a lot of Bova's books are pretty good. The Drenai books by David Gemmell are really good as well.
/me continues looking through collection.
It helps if your into it in the first place but have a look at some of the GW Warhammer/40K books. Some are good, some are OK, some suck.
The first 3 SW books released, by Timothy Zahn, Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command are all really good. IMO no other SW books match these first three.
the first Sidhe (by Aaron Allston) book is good, (free from here - <a href='http://www.baen.com/library/)' target='_blank'>http://www.baen.com/library/)</a>, but the second one while starting good drags during the last 50 pages or so.
The whole star wars x-wing books series kick ****.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 21 2003, 06:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 21 2003, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It is true that I never read Starship Troopers - which doesn't have to mean I didn't try. I did however never get past the synopsises. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Until you do, you are unqualified to use the quote in your argument. You are dismissed.
It's weak to avoid reading things just becuase they disagree with them. How do you exopect to learn about your enemy if you hide from him? Sticking your head in the sand won't help.
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jun 21 2003, 10:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jun 21 2003, 10:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 21 2003, 06:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 21 2003, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It is true that I never read Starship Troopers - which doesn't have to mean I didn't try. I did however never get past the synopsises. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Until you do, you are unqualified to use the quote in your argument. You are dismissed.
It's weak to avoid reading things just becuase they disagree with them. How do you exopect to learn about your enemy if you hide from him? Sticking your head in the sand won't help. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I will read ST, sooner or later. But seeing that I had to spend the last two years reading the complete B?chner, D?blins 'Alexandeplatz', Faust, several romantic authors I can't stand for my life, and, even worse, RR.org (<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->), I decided to wait a little.
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edited June 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 21 2003, 05:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 21 2003, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jun 21 2003, 10:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jun 21 2003, 10:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 21 2003, 06:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 21 2003, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It is true that I never read Starship Troopers - which doesn't have to mean I didn't try. I did however never get past the synopsises. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Until you do, you are unqualified to use the quote in your argument. You are dismissed.
It's weak to avoid reading things just becuase they disagree with them. How do you exopect to learn about your enemy if you hide from him? Sticking your head in the sand won't help. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I will read ST, sooner or later. But seeing that I had to spend the last two years reading the complete B?chner, D?blins 'Alexandeplatz', Faust, several romantic authors I can't stand for my life, and, even worse, RR.org (<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->), I decided to wait a little. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm actually not even sure if that quote is in Starship Troopers. In fact, I think it isn't. Violence in ST, as I remember it, was mostly promoted as the most effective possible punishment for crimes due to our inherent natural learn responses to pain. It also talked a lot about the 'glory of the infantry' so there are probably plenty of other quotes for you to pick from.
I would also suggest, nem, that if you want to bring up WWII, to read The Man in the High Castle by Phillip K. ****. It takes place in America in the 1960s controlled jointly by Nazi Germany and Japan.
edit: The author's last name is d-i-c-k. **** swear filter.
The Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is a must to anyone who wants Monty Python and Sci Fi put together.
The Redwall Series is a must.
Dune is a good read. Very political, though, and hard to get back into after a while of intensive reading.
The Lord of the Rings. No question about it. The Two Towers was my favorite. If you haven't read the book (because it's all supposed to be ONE book, not three), I suggest starting off with The Hobbit.
Beowulf is excellent. A good over-the-weekend read.
Any short stories by Edgar Allan Poe. Great Mystery and Horror short stories.
For anyone who's read Ender's Game, get a hold of Ender's Shadow. It's the companion novel, written some time after. It follows approximately the same timeline as Ender's Game, but from the perspective of Bean (remember him? The really tiny guy in Ender's squad?). There's SO much more to Bean, and to the original story, than meets the eye - Ender's Shadow expands on the original. Technically, you can read either one first (ES puts a different spin on events in EG but leaves out some things, these things are in EG and would put a different spin on ES).
Discworld > Hitchhiker's <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->. Well, in the same way that Quake 3 > Wolfenstein - it's only because it's much newer.
I didn't like The Lord of the Rings either. I couldn't get through the first book. The Hobbit was great, though.
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I've heard roger zelazny's amber series is some of the best fantasy ever written, but I haven't read it yet so I can't speak from experience. A friend of mine who has read LOTR 14 times said Amber was better than LOTR. <-- That's quite a recommendation.
(skipped reading most posts, so forgive if they have same list)
<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/series/-/71/ref=pd_sr_ec_ser_b/103-1864308-8060615' target='_blank'>Ender Series & Shadow Series</a><i>Ender's Game</i>, <i>Speaker For The Dead</i>, <i>Xenocide</i>, <i>Children Of The Mind</i>, <i>Ender's Shadow</i>, <i>Shadow Of The Hegemon</i>, <i>Shadow Puppets</i>. - Orson Scott Card.
<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/series/-/4/paperback//ref=pd_ser_bind/103-1864308-8060615' target='_blank'>A Song Of Fire & Ice Series</a> - <i>A Game Of Thrones</i>, <i>A Clash of Kings</i>, <i>A Storm of Swords</i> - George R.R. Martin.
<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/series/-/845/ref=pd_ser_sim_s/103-1864308-8060615' target='_blank'>The Dune Series</a><i>Dune</i>, <i>Dune Messiah</i>, <i>Children of Dune</i>, <i>God Emperor Of Dune</i>, <i>Heretics Of Dune</i>, <i>Chapterhouse: Dune</i> - Frank Herbert.
<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/series/-/382/paperback//ref=pd_ser_bind/103-1864308-8060615' target='_blank'>The Rama Series</a><i>Rendezvous With Rama</i>, <i>Rama II</i>, <i>Garden Of Rama</i>, <i>Rama Revealed</i> - Arthur C. Clarke.
(No Amazon series shop URL give) - <i>Wayfarer Redemption</i>, <i>Enchanter</i>, <i>StarMan</i> - Sara Douglass.
I've read them all, great books, well worth the money. btw, if you want individual book recomendations, PM me.
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Not sci-fi or fantasy, but still a very recommended read: Wild at Heart, by John Eldredge
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If you haven't read short stories by H. P. Lovecraft or Clark Ashton Smith, do so now. They are beautiful, strange and rather twisted too.
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But i don't think <u>The Sword of Shannara</u> by Terry Brooks has been mentioned. Incredible book.
Slightly? Those series have everything from destroy to toture. They are quite an intruiging read mind, but not all of the books are pulled off nearly so well as others.
It wasn't a comet BTW.
<span style='color:red'>Minor Spoiler Here</span>
It was a satellite weapon that went a little wrong.
And the way the general populous seems to react is very, very real.
I mean what would you do if you lost your sight in that way?
How do you think the world would end up?
To bring an example up: During the last two years, I read many works of Georg Büchner, a German author of the beginning 18th century. Fifty years ago, his writings were nearly forgotten until they were rediscovered.
Books are written, books are ignored, books are discovered, books are forgotten, books experience revivals.
Well possible that in twohundred years, the Odyssey will have nearly vanished from the public eye, while the Lord of the Rings recieves constant attention. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Again, good points. But then again, The Lord of The Rings has only been around what, sixty, fifty years? Plus, The Odyssey gets points because it survived the whole Dark Ages thing. I geuss what im saying is, an author or a novel is truly literature when, a hundred years after it was written, you can grab any schmuck off the street, say the title to him and 9 times out of 10, he'll know what youre talking about. Off the top of my head I can name, oh, three 19th-early 20th century authors, Charles Dickens, Mark Twain and Jules Verne. Thats not to say that there wernt others but they are undeniably great. But youre right, in 100 years there will be over looked authors too. Ever read Chris Odanjentee? Probably not. But he is writing works of <i>literature</i> that are most likely going to be passed over. Your example, Buchner, is excellent. It rings a bell to me but other than that I draw a blank. And about the Odyessy fading away, I doubt it. I liken it to the F word. It can be really old but it'll never go out of style.
On the heavy side i've been reading The Origin Of Species by Darwin. Rather fascinating actually, even if it is all about weird cabbages and birds with eyes for knees.
Ehhh, have you actually read the book? Your quote as written is at best paraphrased and out of context, but at worst is just made up and inaccurate...
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And it does. Neener.
Anyway, incase someone hasn't mentioned it "Animal Farm" and "1984"
Good stuff.
Ehhh, have you actually read the book? Your quote as written is at best paraphrased and out of context, but at worst is just made up and inaccurate...
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And it does. Neener. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the quote he is referring to is
<!--QuoteBegin-- Robert Heinlein+ In Fear--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ( Robert Heinlein @ In Fear)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyone who clings to the historically untrue -- and -- thoroughly immoral doctrine that violence never solves anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler would referee. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor; and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms.
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Anyway, every time I read this, I feel Heinlein must have had extreme fun writing it. He enjoyed himself immensely 'destroying' a myth of the nutjobs. The truth is that he mixed two words up: 'Resolve' and 'postpone'. Has violence postponed conflicts? Yes, but only by making a solution even less likely.
(Note to MonsE: If you think about bringing WW2 up here, prepare for me to post two pages of pictures of neo-nazis <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
It is true that I never read Starship Troopers - which doesn't have to mean I didn't try. I did however never get past the synopsises.
Check out Privateer by Ben Bova. In fact a lot of Bova's books are pretty good. The Drenai books by David Gemmell are really good as well.
/me continues looking through collection.
It helps if your into it in the first place but have a look at some of the GW Warhammer/40K books. Some are good, some are OK, some suck.
The first 3 SW books released, by Timothy Zahn, Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command are all really good. IMO no other SW books match these first three.
the first Sidhe (by Aaron Allston) book is good, (free from here - <a href='http://www.baen.com/library/)' target='_blank'>http://www.baen.com/library/)</a>, but the second one while starting good drags during the last 50 pages or so.
The whole star wars x-wing books series kick ****.
It is true that I never read Starship Troopers - which doesn't have to mean I didn't try. I did however never get past the synopsises. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Until you do, you are unqualified to use the quote in your argument. You are dismissed.
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It's weak to avoid reading things just becuase they disagree with them. How do you exopect to learn about your enemy if you hide from him? Sticking your head in the sand won't help.
Until you do, you are unqualified to use the quote in your argument. You are dismissed.
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It's weak to avoid reading things just becuase they disagree with them. How do you exopect to learn about your enemy if you hide from him? Sticking your head in the sand won't help. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I will read ST, sooner or later. But seeing that I had to spend the last two years reading the complete B?chner, D?blins 'Alexandeplatz', Faust, several romantic authors I can't stand for my life, and, even worse, RR.org (<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->), I decided to wait a little.
Until you do, you are unqualified to use the quote in your argument. You are dismissed.
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It's weak to avoid reading things just becuase they disagree with them. How do you exopect to learn about your enemy if you hide from him? Sticking your head in the sand won't help. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I will read ST, sooner or later. But seeing that I had to spend the last two years reading the complete B?chner, D?blins 'Alexandeplatz', Faust, several romantic authors I can't stand for my life, and, even worse, RR.org (<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->), I decided to wait a little. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm actually not even sure if that quote is in Starship Troopers. In fact, I think it isn't. Violence in ST, as I remember it, was mostly promoted as the most effective possible punishment for crimes due to our inherent natural learn responses to pain. It also talked a lot about the 'glory of the infantry' so there are probably plenty of other quotes for you to pick from.
I would also suggest, nem, that if you want to bring up WWII, to read The Man in the High Castle by Phillip K. ****. It takes place in America in the 1960s controlled jointly by Nazi Germany and Japan.
edit: The author's last name is d-i-c-k. **** swear filter.
The Redwall Series is a must.
Dune is a good read. Very political, though, and hard to get back into after a while of intensive reading.
The Lord of the Rings. No question about it. The Two Towers was my favorite. If you haven't read the book (because it's all supposed to be ONE book, not three), I suggest starting off with The Hobbit.
Beowulf is excellent. A good over-the-weekend read.
Any short stories by Edgar Allan Poe. Great Mystery and Horror short stories.
Discworld > Hitchhiker's <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->. Well, in the same way that Quake 3 > Wolfenstein - it's only because it's much newer.
I didn't like The Lord of the Rings either. I couldn't get through the first book. The Hobbit was great, though.
Frank Herbert's Dune is a good read...although the later sequels are crap IMO.
Finally remembered what book I had just read that owned.
<u>Band of Brothers</u> by Stephen Ambrose. The HBO miniseries is based on the book and it <i>owns</i>.
<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/series/-/71/ref=pd_sr_ec_ser_b/103-1864308-8060615' target='_blank'>Ender Series & Shadow Series</a><i>Ender's Game</i>, <i>Speaker For The Dead</i>, <i>Xenocide</i>, <i>Children Of The Mind</i>, <i>Ender's Shadow</i>, <i>Shadow Of The Hegemon</i>, <i>Shadow Puppets</i>. - Orson Scott Card.
<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/series/-/4/paperback//ref=pd_ser_bind/103-1864308-8060615' target='_blank'>A Song Of Fire & Ice Series</a> - <i>A Game Of Thrones</i>, <i>A Clash of Kings</i>, <i>A Storm of Swords</i> - George R.R. Martin.
<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/series/-/892/mass_market//ref=pd_ser_bind/103-1864308-8060615' target='_blank'>The Farseer Trilogy</a><i>Assassin's Apprentice</i>, <i>Royal Assassin</i>, <i>Assassin's Quest</i> - Robin Hobb.
<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/series/-/845/ref=pd_ser_sim_s/103-1864308-8060615' target='_blank'>The Dune Series</a><i>Dune</i>, <i>Dune Messiah</i>, <i>Children of Dune</i>, <i>God Emperor Of Dune</i>, <i>Heretics Of Dune</i>, <i>Chapterhouse: Dune</i> - Frank Herbert.
<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/series/-/382/paperback//ref=pd_ser_bind/103-1864308-8060615' target='_blank'>The Rama Series</a><i>Rendezvous With Rama</i>, <i>Rama II</i>, <i>Garden Of Rama</i>, <i>Rama Revealed</i> - Arthur C. Clarke.
(No Amazon series shop URL give) - <i>Wayfarer Redemption</i>, <i>Enchanter</i>, <i>StarMan</i> - Sara Douglass.
I've read them all, great books, well worth the money. btw, if you want individual book recomendations, PM me.