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AgkelosAgkelos Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13243Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Plaguing gamers since... fps invention</div> Hello. You may know me or not. I usually go as "Aggelos" or "Scorpianthathovarswithoutflapping" while I play online. Lately I noticed a change. Maybe its for good or not, but it happened. I suddenly realized... I couldnt keep up anymore. My aim was no longer competent or reached my expectations. For some reason grabbing this HUMONGOUS MOUSE (gg Future) was now more of an Herculean Effort to try to aim and track at something than being easy and intuitive. I couldnt turn around and keep aim at the skulk that was rushing at me. I couldnt switch between targets that well, and that I ended up dying in situations I thought easy before.

Its like one day everything seemed to be fine. You felt fine. The next.. you couldnt keep up anymore with the better players.. You realized your aim couldnt match theirs.. that you couldnt turn fast enough or keep track of those little buggers flying around. Then you died, and realized there wasnt a damned thing about it that you could do.

So I ask you. Has this happened to you? Have you found a fix to this sympthom? Feel free to share your thoughts and oppinions. To me, Aim is perhaps the most important factor in a fps player. Without it, all the skills that are important become locked to you. Seeing that I lost it, I seem very confused on what to do. If any of you know any programs that maybe can fix sensitivity, or found ways or other mice that seemed good for the job, feel <b>MORE</b> than free to share.

<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo--> = <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> now that he feels useless ;/
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  • sulkomasulkoma Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17493Members
    i remember back in cs i used to play with sensitivity 30.. i could kill but i was ****..
    then i changed my sensitivity to 2.5 and my resolution to 800x600, then i could kill more.

    Maybe change ur res and sensitivity and u might be teh win!
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Well, just because your h4x were noticed and you had to turn them off.....

    doesn't mean you have to come on the forum & cry about it.... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->


    *Chuckle*
  • AgkelosAgkelos Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13243Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Shockwave+Jun 19 2003, 02:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Jun 19 2003, 02:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, just because your h4x were noticed and you had to turn them off.....

    doesn't mean you have to come on the forum & cry about it.... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->


    *Chuckle* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Only one thing to say. I am shocked =O.
  • acer_r1acer_r1 Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14397Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--sulkoma+Jun 19 2003, 01:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sulkoma @ Jun 19 2003, 01:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i remember back in cs i used to play with sensitivity 30.. i could kill but i was ****..
    then i changed my sensitivity to 2.5 and my resolution to 800x600, then i could kill more.

    Maybe change ur res and sensitivity and u might be teh win! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    here here! <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • nthingnthing Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3091Members
    Heh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Maybe your mouse is dirty ...

    I suffer from the same thing.... Trying to get that recticile to move over the "elite" skulks feels like shoving around an ACME Anvil from the Wile. Coyote cartoons...

    Gosh I want an optical <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Waaaahhh!
  • CorradoCorrado Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11423Members
    Its an odd day, go for a sleep, try it in the morning..

    I have these every month, sometimes they crop up on match days...highly irritating <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • DoppelgangerDoppelganger Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17317Members
    edited June 2003
    I've written a general FPS guide from back when Quake 3 was released. I could try to find it for you.

    but, just a few quick pointers:

    - Lifting your mouse is BAD for NS, or any other game that has enemies coming at u from all sides.
    - Your sensitivity has to be high enough so u can make a 180' turn easily without lifting your mouse.
    - Your sensitivity has to be LOW enough so u can aim across a decently long hallway, and make precise movements without overaiming.
    - If u have trouble finding a mid-point between point 2 and 3, adjust your mouse acceleration rate. (I turned mine off completely with 2 HL target commandlines, but it's purely preference).
    - Use your wrist as pivot to do precise shots (think pistol), lift your wrist and use the lower part of your arm as pivot when u need to.
    - Don't GRAB your mouse like it's the most precious thing in the world, just wrap your fingers around it tight enough that u can control it, don't squeeze your mouse when you try to aim.
    - Try to use your fingers to move your mouse, not your palm, your fingers are MUCH more precise than your palm.
    - Your index finger goes on the left button, your middle finger goes on the right, I've seen people who put their middle button on the wheel and try to control the left, right, and wheel all at the same time. It's a good idea in theory, but with only your pinky on the right side of your mouse, you lose the much needed control.
    - Practice using the center of your screen to aim, don't put your eyes on the crosshair, u need to keep your eyes on the enemy, and let your hand handle the aiming, not your eyes. (I know, that sounds a bit confusing)


    PS: Getting an optical mouse does help a lot. So does a higher FPS, and lower ping. But not having any of those does not mean you can't aim good.


    I hope that helped u at least a little bit
  • sulkomasulkoma Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17493Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--.Doppelganger+Jun 19 2003, 02:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.Doppelganger @ Jun 19 2003, 02:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> PS: Getting an optical mouse does help a lot. So does a higher FPS, and lower ping. But not having any of those does not mean you can't aim good.


    I hope that helped u at least a little bit <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i have 400 and above ping usually on ns <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> and 80 fps <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    sometimes im lucky and have 300-400 ping <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    and i still kill good <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->, cept for when im frozen <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • nthingnthing Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3091Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--sulkoma+Jun 19 2003, 07:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sulkoma @ Jun 19 2003, 07:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> and 80 fps <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    [sarcasm]Jeez dude - that's too bad[/sarcasm]

    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • BreakfastSausagesBreakfastSausages Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11148Members
    Sometimes it seems like you are doing things exactly how you always did, but for no particular reason it just does not work at all.

    It seems like there are alot of stories about this sort of thing in sports, but really its bound to happen in any competitive environment.

    I think the key thing to remember is, even if it SEEMS like you are doing everything the same as you always have, something is different, or else why would you be doing badly?

    mouse troubles are easiest to figure out, open it up and make sure theres no buildup on the wheel, etc etc.

    overthinking the game is another cause for bad streaks , it is very easy to make some mental change in how you play and not realize it. Recently I had a day where I couldn't shoot to hit the broad side of a cargo bay, everything I did went bad. So I took a break for a while, and ended up staying up late and coming back to play. I was over tired so I didn't really think about what I was doing or worry about the enemy getting me, and I ended up slaughtering everything in sight.
  • BalanceBalance Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11457Members
    edited June 2003
    One thing to consider is physical fatigue.

    Keep your sugar levels in blood high enough. So eat lunch and snacks when you need to. Drink a lot to keep your system running.

    Do not play when tired, unless you want to be killed. Reactions tend to slow down.

    Another thing is peace of mind.

    I have days when I feel like a god. I can kill any skulks coming at me. No bullets misses targets (well hardly any). Then again there are day when I feel like a rat in a maze and I die all the time.

    Of course anger is unhelpful. I forget to aim front of skulks or I am running behind marines. Also relaxed tactics tend to go down to the drain when aggression comes around.

    Skulks should skulk and sneak from behind (above) and marines should keep distance between himself and enemy.

    Third factor is your opponents.

    Some servers have good players and others have newbies. To boost up your ego go to newbie pubs. At daytime kids come from school and they think that rambo tactics rule. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • homerxhomerx Join Date: 2003-04-01 Member: 15094Members
    *steps carefully across the floor to avoid stepping on the bullsh1t*

    The nick "Scorpianthathovarswithoutflapping" will NOT fit.


    Nice try though. Not.
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    high FPS helps, practice helps, and everyone has their off days. Occasionally I'll completely own really good marines or skulks, and it's just that they're having a bad day, and I'm having a good one. Other times, I need some time to warm back up to what should be my "skill level"

    As for mouse sensitivity, don't listen to these guys; I play with a "3.000000" and I do just fine, but I prefer precision to speed.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    I don't know it's maybe vacation. It's been one or two weeks that I can't bite anything anymore. I can only bite once then somehow I can't keep up with the marine's movements. And it's been one or two weeks I'm on vacation. Too much NS = skills go kaboom?
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    It's all about the practice. That said, everyone experiences ups and downs. For some people the amplitude is just bigger. Give it a little time, see if your aim becomes better again. And yes, remember to hold your mouse correctly.
    I hold it like this: Wrist resting on mousepad, three fingers on the mousebuttons and scrollwheel. Thumb and pinky on the sides of the mouse. Unless I have to lift the mouse to reposition it, I <b>never lift my wrist</b> from the mousepad. My arm practically never moves, and is supported by my wrist. My arm <b>never</b> aches, no matter how long I'm playing. I find I can use this method with practically all mice (even the iMac mouse that people complained so much about).
  • JakJak Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12048Members, Constellation
    Lots of things affect your play .. most listed above, such as fatigue.

    Personally, sometimes I'm just not really into a game, and when I lose interest, I just do stupid things. Try not to overplay and every now and again play as comm or gorge to give yourself a break.

    PCW's annoy me most, as I tend to try irrecoverable new tactics out that frequently go wrong, and once they do, we are obliged to play out the rest of an already lost match. In these cases I play at my worst. As all I want to do is start over and try something new.

    Aim, bite and movement skills can be practiced well enough on pubs imo.


    As for Sens - I use 3.4 as alien and 2.2 as marine.
  • AgkelosAgkelos Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13243Members
    Hay guys, thanks for the feedback. Its really appreciated. Although I noticed that even though I cant aim that well I can still see them coming thanks to the wallhacks -______-. Wallhacks of course in this case being the headphones + 3d card <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.

    I will try all your ideas when I can. Again, thanks guys. Feel free to post more.
  • CowswinCowswin Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14623Banned, Constellation
    Yes, it was a while ago that I found a solution to the symptom. It was called moving to RPGs. No reflexes required, although in some a lot more strategical thinking is required (development of character).
  • AgkelosAgkelos Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13243Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Twisted Master+Jun 19 2003, 06:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Twisted Master @ Jun 19 2003, 06:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, it was a while ago that I found a solution to the symptom. It was called moving to RPGs. No reflexes required, although in some a lot more strategical thinking is required (development of character). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <b>*cries*</b> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CowswinCowswin Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14623Banned, Constellation
    *puts on his zombie mask*

    "JOinNn uSSssSS..."

    *throws you a sword*

    "Comon, hack my head off, you know you want to...."
  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    damn rpgs are evil, about the aim :/ **** happens youre probably going through another lvl transition. Take a break or play it through :/.
  • ZeoZeo Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13224Members
    Actually a temporary switch to another genre helped me get my aim back! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I played Red Alert 2 and C&C Generals for a week, then came back to train myself a bit with bots, and then did some ownage online! It's possible for some people to burn themselves out, while some people play non-stop and continually get better.
    RPG's might be what you need. That and an Optical mouse! I switched and never looked back! Cleaning all the crap from a track ball mouse got very tiresome. Actually I used it as an excuse for when I sucked! Can't use it as an excuse anymore <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
    Also, jack up the sensitivity and see if you can control the new capability. If you can wield the power, it'll be a massacre <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • KEm1KaL1KEm1KaL1 Lerky Lerky Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13797Members
    Many people see me coming... Usually it's the last thing they see.

    I haven't really noticed anything like this happening to me, my optical mouse works great most of the time, and aiming isn't too hard, probably your hardware/hacks or lack thereof. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    i honestly can't play with a low sensitivity. I was playing on 6 for a while, then moved up to 10, and recently i've upgraded to 15. I tried 20 on CS, not too bad, but i prefer 15. For me, if i try and do good, i fail. If i go into a game just being normal, i go really good. Then i die once, then i just dont pull it back. ON cs for instance, i've gone from 15 - 0 to 16 - 20. Go figure <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • sekdarsekdar Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9564Members
    lets not forget that just sometimes you have off days.

    take me for example. i am an UNBELIEVABLY erratic player.

    some days i will walk into a room with 5 skulks and own them all with an LMG without taking a hit or even reloading. after i reload and walk into the next room, a skulk runs right at me (clear shot for me) and kills me.

    optical mouse > *

    make sure mouse surface is always clean

    i personally use high sensitivity and high mouse accel

    stay calm, focused, remove external distractions, etc

    and dont forget to play 24/7 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> whatever they say about fatigue is a COMPLETE AND UTTER LIE COMPARED TO ALL THAT PRACTICE YOU WILL GET <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • AgkelosAgkelos Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13243Members
    When I said I had an humongous mouse, I meant Intellimouse Explorer 3 (AND YES FOR GOD SAKES ITS OPTICAL) <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    It just seems kinda big for my hand. But I think I will try your advices guys. Thanks.
  • AgkelosAgkelos Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13243Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--NoImagination+Jun 19 2003, 08:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NoImagination @ Jun 19 2003, 08:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Listen to Balance. Physical (and psychological, I might add) factors are probably the biggest part of it. Unless you have a *very* bad mouse, FPS, ping etc., I'd advice you to fix yourself rather than the computer. Stress will contribute a lot due to the amount of hormones released (adrenaline is one). While they serve a purpose when you stand face to face with a grizzly, it will hardly help you in a FPS-game (or any game).

    //Edit: Typo <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Heh. That may be right too. The stress over the math test I *just* finished and the deal about me liking a friends girlfriend may be it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Hida_TsuzuaHida_Tsuzua Lamarck&#39;s Heir Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 79Members, NS1 Playtester
    Just keep at it and you'll get better again. Sometimes it's best to play single player and go "wow, I ownz these bots." The self-confidence boost goes a long way.
  • ViPrViPr Resident naysayer Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1515Members
    i have one good tip. do not use an optical mouse if you want to play games coz if you move an optical mouse fast then it gets all confused and loses track of where you moved it and sometimes it even thinks you moved it in the opposite direction to where you actually moved it.

    if you still feel bad about your aim you could make yourself think highly of yourself by playing some FPS games on the game consoles after you smash yourself in the head a few times with a mallet so you forget that all those games on consoles have auto-aim permanently on coz their controllers are too crap.
  • KaiserRollKaiserRoll Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13902Members, Constellation
    edited June 2003
    I find that the "-noforcemparms -noforcemaccel" toggles for the HL command line work wonders for my brand of mouse.
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