Must... Vent... Rage...

lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
<div class="IPBDescription">qwertz sucks</div> Zeah. So I have a german kezboard. Horraz. I don't know what smacktard had the idea, but a long time ago somebodz decided that on <b>german</b> kezboards, we should switch the z and y kezs. So instead of a qwerty kezboard, I have a qwertz kezboard, with the letter next to x being y. Now this wouldn't be so bad if I just wrote in english and german, but I also write danish. And in danish we have the three letters æøå, which on a danish kezboard are placed where the letters öäü are on a german kezboard. In order to write the danish letters I have to switch mz kezboard lazout to danish, which in turn switches the z and y kezs (as the danish kezboard has the qwerty lazout). See the problem? Makes for lots of amusing spelling errors where I substitute y for z and vice versa. Yebra. Yanz. Zou. Mz. Trz. Bunnzhopping. Anzwhere. Annozing. Maye. Muyyle. Fiyyz. The hate. <b>THE HATE.</b>

[siye=0]Disclaimer: Now that zou know of mz problem, read the thread again to make sense of it.[/siye]

Comments

  • TenSixTenSix Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7932Members
    Uh....you can't just buy a new QWERTY keyboard?
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--TenSix+Jun 14 2003, 03:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TenSix @ Jun 14 2003, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Uh....you can't just buy a new QWERTY keyboard? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The problem is that everz german compzdealer assumes that people WANT german kezboards. I have zet to see anzthing else in the stores. But thank zou anzwaz.
  • MerkabaMerkaba Digital Harmony Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 22Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    I used a french keyboard the other week. Those things are horrible; you have to hold down shift to make a full stop or put a number in! And the shift key is tiny, like the one on the left side of the keyboard. Those crazy French.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Merkaba+Jun 14 2003, 03:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Merkaba @ Jun 14 2003, 03:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I used a french keyboard the other week. Those things are horrible; you have to hold down shift to make a full stop or put a number in! And the shift key is tiny, like the one on the left side of the keyboard. Those crazy French. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Whoa, I have zet to see one of those. The frenchz that was visiting the danish school where I was stazing must have felt in heaven there... Useful kezboards at the computers!
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    Germans use the z key a WHOLE lot more than they use the y key, kind of like how Americans use the y key more than the z key.

    However, for games like HL, it gets re-translated back into "american", so your QWERTZ keyboard is a pseudo QWERTY. That gets really confusing for a little bit, especially if you're a German. I never really had a problem with the keyboard, just took some practice getting used to, like all keyboard layouts.
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    The qwerty keyboard was designed to slow typists down anyways, I don't know why they would bother switching two keys. All smart people use Dvorak! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Jun 13 2003, 06:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 13 2003, 06:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zeah. So I have a german kezboard. Horraz. I don't know what smacktard had the idea, but a long time ago somebodz decided that on <b>german</b> kezboards, we should switch the z and y kezs. So instead of a qwerty kezboard, I have a qwertz kezboard, with the letter next to x being y. Now this wouldn't be so bad if I just wrote in english and german, but I also write danish. And in danish we have the three letters æøå, which on a danish kezboard are placed where the letters öäü are on a german kezboard. In order to write the danish letters I have to switch mz kezboard lazout to danish, which in turn switches the z and y kezs (as the danish kezboard has the qwerty lazout). See the problem? Makes for lots of amusing spelling errors where I substitute y for z and vice versa. Yebra. Yanz. Zou. Mz. Trz. Bunnzhopping. Anzwhere. Annozing. Maye. Muyyle. Fiyyz. The hate. <b>THE HATE.</b>

    [siye=0]Disclaimer: Now that zou know of mz problem, read the thread again to make sense of it.[/siye] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ARE OH EFF EL!!!
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    I just wish it were possible to <i>buy</i> a dvorak keyboard where I live. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    Just rearrange the keys on your keyboard and set the option in windows. Its in the languages area. I tried it earlier in the year for a while. Its really incredible how much more efficient it feels. For instance, all of the vowels are under the home row of your left hand. Its optimized for english character frequencies so its probably not as good in german, but its got to be better than qwerty.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    After about 8 years at a comp I'm only just learning the locations of the words. (I don't touch-type sue me.)

    I tend to write a long bit of text and check its right!
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Jun 13 2003, 06:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 13 2003, 06:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zeah. So I have a german kezboard. Horraz. I don't know what smacktard had the idea, but a long time ago somebodz decided that on <b>german</b> kezboards, we should switch the z and y kezs. So instead of a qwerty kezboard, I have a qwertz kezboard, with the letter next to x being y. Now this wouldn't be so bad if I just wrote in english and german, but I also write danish. And in danish we have the three letters æøå, which on a danish kezboard are placed where the letters öäü are on a german kezboard. In order to write the danish letters I have to switch mz kezboard lazout to danish, which in turn switches the z and y kezs (as the danish kezboard has the qwerty lazout). See the problem? Makes for lots of amusing spelling errors where I substitute y for z and vice versa. Yebra. Yanz. Zou. Mz. Trz. Bunnzhopping. Anzwhere. Annozing. Maye. Muyyle. Fiyyz. The hate. <b>THE HATE.</b>

    [siye=0]Disclaimer: Now that zou know of mz problem, read the thread again to make sense of it.[/siye] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ROLFLMAO


    you messed up your BBCode -_-
  • p4Samwisep4Samwise Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10831Members
    I just finished a trip across 5 countries in Europe, and had to contend with all kids of weird keyboards in the internet cafes. The French ones were by far the worst.
  • MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Merkaba+Jun 14 2003, 02:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Merkaba @ Jun 14 2003, 02:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I used a french keyboard the other week. Those things are horrible; you have to hold down shift to make a full stop or put a number in! And the shift key is tiny, like the one on the left side of the keyboard. Those crazy French. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i used one to check my mail at a french mall thingy.... man the k.b it screwed lol...
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    for those wondering about the french layout <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    It's:
    ?&?"'(-?_??)=
    azertyuiop^$
    qsdfghjklm?*
    <wxcvbn,;:!

    in shift

    [nothing]1234567890?+
    AZERTYUIOP??
    QSDFGHJKLM%?
    >WXCVBN?./?


    And we also got this great thing called Alt GR that gives a 3rd character to some keys <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
    [nothing][nothing]~#{[|`\^@]}
    no letters have an alt gr except E with ?

    We also have the $ ? key that has ? in alt gr


    I'm sure you all fell in love with this french keyboard <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Well, what can I say... For french it's better
  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    edited June 2003
    It's better for the French even despite the fact that you need to use the shift key to make a full stop or have numbers?

    Somehow I doubt that -_-
  • MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
    we got an Alr Gr too... right on the right of Space bar but i have never used it. EVER.
  • Dirty_Harry_PotterDirty_Harry_Potter Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9500Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Jun 13 2003, 08:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 13 2003, 08:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zeah. So I have a german kezboard. Horraz. I don't know what smacktard had the idea, but a long time ago somebodz decided that on <b>german</b> kezboards, we should switch the z and y kezs. So instead of a qwerty kezboard, I have a qwertz kezboard, with the letter next to x being y. Now this wouldn't be so bad if I just wrote in english and german, but I also write danish. And in danish we have the three letters æøå, which on a danish kezboard are placed where the letters öäü are on a german kezboard. In order to write the danish letters I have to switch mz kezboard lazout to danish, which in turn switches the z and y kezs (as the danish kezboard has the qwerty lazout). See the problem? Makes for lots of amusing spelling errors where I substitute y for z and vice versa. Yebra. Yanz. Zou. Mz. Trz. Bunnzhopping. Anzwhere. Annozing. Maye. Muyyle. Fiyyz. The hate. <b>THE HATE.</b>

    [siye=0]Disclaimer: Now that zou know of mz problem, read the thread again to make sense of it.[/siye] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    why don't you just either order a new one using <a href='http://www.edbpriser.dk' target='_blank'>EDBpriser</a> or just drive up here to buy one which may be a bit drastic, but if it really annoys you....i don't know if the firms from edbpriser delivers to germany though.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Speed 2 Dave+Jun 14 2003, 03:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Speed 2 Dave @ Jun 14 2003, 03:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Germans use the z key a WHOLE lot more than they use the y key, kind of like how Americans use the y key more than the z key.

    However, for games like HL, it gets re-translated back into "american", so your QWERTZ keyboard is a pseudo QWERTY. That gets really confusing for a little bit, especially if you're a German. I never really had a problem with the keyboard, just took some practice getting used to, like all keyboard layouts. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, zou get used to it. The problem is that some games (Jedi Knight 2 comes to mind) are smart enough to check zour kezboard lazout, so in those games zou have the german kezboard, meaning that zou'll have to rebind the z and y kezs. So everz time zou get a new game zou'll have to figure out which kind of kezboard THAT game uses. The rage. The hate. The burning pain. Thank GOD I'm going back to Denmark in a few months. Anzone know whether thez got anz good servers there?
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    edited June 2003
    Can someone give me a dvorak layout? Its kind of hard typing in a layout you've never seen before on a keyboard labeled "qwerty"...

    As for you lolfighter, you should be rebinding your keys for every game you play regardless of your keyboard type, so it doesn't really matter, you could try changing it to a US 101 in Control Panel -> Keyboard -> Language if you can't stand it.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Insane+Jun 14 2003, 02:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Insane @ Jun 14 2003, 02:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's better for the French even despite the fact that you need to use the shift key to make a full stop or have numbers?

    Somehow I doubt that -_- <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yes we use accents, hyphens and apostrophes much more than numbers (they love writing out the numbers over here). In fact, pressing shift doesn't bother me at all anymore. I do it nearly mechanically. Except after a whole day of NS <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Hey, lol, didn't know you where one of the victims, too!

    The PTs can possibly tell you a lot about my famous battlecry "Thez are coming!". It hurts, believe me.
    First thing I'll do when I finally get the money together is importing a complete PC. OS, keyboard, everything in anglo-american standards. It's the easiest way of avoiding conflicts, not to mention that the person translating Windows deserves some things I may not say here.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 14 2003, 06:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 14 2003, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey, lol, didn't know you where one of the victims, too!

    The PTs can possibly tell you a lot about my famous battlecry "Thez are coming!". It hurts, believe me.
    First thing I'll do when I finally get the money together is importing a complete PC. OS, keyboard, everything in anglo-american standards. It's the easiest way of avoiding conflicts, not to mention that the person translating Windows deserves some things I may not say here. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Zaz! A fellow sufferer! /me is not alone!
    Hehe.. Thez are coming. *snicker*
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    Last time I went to Germany I thought I saw qwerty's... Or maybe it was just the box. I know that in france there are qwerty's... And even english software.
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited June 2003
    Silly people. A new keyboard layout is only a keyboard driver away.

    I taught myself Dvorak in about a month, and have never gone back. Since I use other keyboards as well, I'm actually "bikeyboardal" - I can type equally well in either Dvorak or QWERTY, with only minor lapses between the two.

    The Dvorak layout is:

    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 [ ]
    ' , . P Y F G C R L / =
    A O E U I D H T N S -
    ; Q J K X B M W V Z

    Compared to QWERTY:

    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 - =
    Q W E R T Y U I O P [ ]
    A S D F G H J K L ; '
    Z X C V B N M , . /

    Makes *so* much more sense.

    I use a QWERTY keyboard; while I was learning, I took a sharpie marker and wrote all of the Dvorak letters onto the keys. By the time the oil from my fingers had rubbed it off, I could touch-type.

    My recommendation to anyone learning a new layout (e.g. Dvorak): NO MATTER WHAT, DO NOT SWITCH BACK TO YOUR OLD BOARD. It slows down your typing like nobody's business, it's killer in IRC, but the more you switch back, the longer it'll take you to internalize the new board.
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