Disaster Averted

CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
<div class="IPBDescription">School +bag+7 guns</div> Well unless you live near the town in PA where it happened you probably havnt heard the news. Dont tihnk it made CNN b/c this plot "failed".

One of my Police officer buddies told me in an email. I go to college in th town next to Wellsboro PA and my roomate is from there.

Apparently a kid brought a duffle bag filled 7 guns to school planning a mass murder. Luckily someone found out and told on him. The kid went into the bathroom and shot and killed himself.

Now the perhaps the most shockiing part (besides the fact of what the kid was planning) was that the potential shooter was 12 years old in the 5th grade. It seems they are getting younger all the time.

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  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited June 2003
    someone under the age of 14 dies in Africa every 25 minutes due to aids, so excuse me if im not horrifed.

    edit: and this just proves that public education is not only a waste of time and money but also a magnet for violence.

    /The following is a tasteless joke, do not read if you are easily offended, do not ban if you are a moderator heh/

    And why do all these kids think they need like 5+ weapons to get the job done, all you need is an AK with about 15 clips of ammo and teflon tipped bullets and you can take down the whole school using 3 round bursts.

    /end of tasteless joke/
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    edited June 2003
    failed? There was a dead 5th grader in a bathroom. The system still "failed," but a disaster was averted.
    [edit] <------Public School education, and proud of it [/edit]
    [edit] to quote Penny Arcade: Guns don't kill people, Gamers kill people [/edit]
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Hmm. They should capture that guy and take a cell sample... both to find out how he constantly maintains the same age, and spontaneously ressurrects at least once every 25 minutes.
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    To Dr. D. im not losing any sleep over it either, but its just some interesting piece of news to post.

    To Speed2Dave "failed" as in not "bloody/tragic" enough for the crappy american media to pick up on it.
  • SaltySalty Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6970Members
    <--- makes sure his kids won't go to public schools.
  • BOZOBOZO Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3973Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow
    Must be the video games.
  • InfinitumInfinitum Anime Encyclopedia Join Date: 2002-08-08 Member: 1111Members, Constellation
    Is it just me or are some of these people **** up to begin with.

    I mean before they start playing video games they're probably got something wrong with them in the first place. The judicial system is a joke. "OMG MY CLIENT R INNOCENT BECAUSE IT R TEH VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES CAUSING HIM TO BE MUCHA ANGRY! BRING ON ZE SOCCAR MUMS TO RIOT IN WASHINGTON!"
  • DreadDread Join Date: 2002-07-24 Member: 993Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--BOZO+Jun 10 2003, 04:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BOZO @ Jun 10 2003, 04:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Must be the video games. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I agree. I think all the video games should be banned in USA.

    Luckily I live in Europe <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Jun 10 2003, 05:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Jun 10 2003, 05:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Luckily I live in Europe <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Now thats a curveball

    (I live in Europe too!)
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    edited June 2003
    Ya know, maybe the problem isnt the video games, maybe the problem is WITH THE GUNS? Honestly, how about not pointing the fingers at games (yes I know youre being sarcasting, I'm yelling at idiots who say games are bad) and try to figure out how one kid got so many friggin guns. Whoever he got them from should be thrown in prison for making them so readily accessible.
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    I think it's the drugs. They got some of these kids pumped so full of prescription drugs nowadays that they're not themselves. I go to DigiPen with this one guy that nobody gets along with (and I literally mean nobody) because he has no less than 12 VERY annoying character traits. I found out that he's taking all sorts of messed up medications.


    I blame the drugs.
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Jun 10 2003, 12:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Jun 10 2003, 12:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--BOZO+Jun 10 2003, 04:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BOZO @ Jun 10 2003, 04:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Must be the video games. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I agree. I think all the video games should be banned in USA.

    Luckily I live in Europe <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think it was more of a combo of bad parenting, poor choice of friends, depression, getting picked on in school, lack of postitve role models etc.

    I wouldnt use video games or the media as a scapegoat for the lack of all the stuff I said above.
  • BurrBurr Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9358Members
    Chemical Imbalance!!

    Anyway, I wrote a 10 page paper on columbine and how videos games were not responsible. Most of these people are messed up anyway, and due to the constant bullying + raging hormones + neglectent parents, they are bound to do something whether they play violent video games or not. Then when they do something, the media jumps on video games becasue they are an easy target, but why don't they jump on movies or books? They can be just as violent, why is it always the video games and music? The Surgeon general of the U.S. even officially said, with reports and studies, that video games do not encourage violent behavior.

    *sigh*, this makes me so mad, now I have to go buy a sniper rifle and pick off people from the campus bell tower to let my agressions out...... (yeah, sarcasm)
  • CowswinCowswin Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14623Banned, Constellation
    What town was it near? Any news links up yet?
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    My catchall statement for why video games are not to blame for violence.....

    What Video Games did mafia gangsters (some of the cruelest people on earth) play when they were growing up ? Oh, that's right, not a damn one.
  • CowswinCowswin Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14623Banned, Constellation
    <a href='http://www.the-leader.com/articles/2003/06/05/local_news/local01.txt' target='_blank'>Clicky the link</a>

    The news is about 5 days old though, this happened last Wends.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    Bad parenting is the only thing you can blame it on, and the only reason people don't admit it is becuase no one wants to change it. In this culture everything is focused on financial goals and career choices so raising your children takes a backseat, a lot of parents ( I know theres good ones out there too so this is generalizing a bit) leave their kids to be raised by sitters or TV programs or just ignore them of course not intentionally they just get busy working their jobs. Sometimes kids don't even see their own parents for a whole day, they are in a public school during the day, afterschool program during the afternoon, with a sitter or alone in the house during the evening, so what can you expect when there's no one to teach them ideals morals or to give them any definition in their life, they'll bo so undeveloped by the time they get to highschool, jr. highschool, or even elementary school that they'll accept the first idea given to them and usually it's whatever trendy idiotic crap is floating around that week.

    So you can blame guns, drugs, media violence all you want, but it all stems from lack of parenting.

    Good parents = no guns, no drugs, and violence + sex can actually be explained in a context that will keep the kid sane.
  • RenegadeRenegade Old school Join Date: 2002-03-29 Member: 361Members
    That's just plain evil.
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    if i was going to do such a thing, DooM would have caused me to choose a nice classy shotgun over a silly uzi. doom would not have affected my opinions on whether or not to go through with it... sheesh.

    medications, bullying and parenting have ****ed up these kids, so much that we SHOULD get rid of the darn guns. i hold the view that a baseball bat lets out a lot more anger per fatality than a handgun. you ahve to be really really mad to injure two people with a bat, but with a pistol you can mow down a crowd before you feel satisfied. we need to get rid of guns and go back to the fifties when violence was all dealt with bats or knives, sure there was more kids in hospitals but a lot less in mortuaries.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Zel+Jun 10 2003, 01:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zel @ Jun 10 2003, 01:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if i was going to do such a thing, DooM would have caused me to choose a nice classy shotgun over a silly uzi. doom would not have affected my opinions on whether or not to go through with it... sheesh.

    medications, bullying and parenting have ****ed up these kids, so much that we SHOULD get rid of the darn guns. i hold the view that a baseball bat lets out a lot more anger per fatality than a handgun. you ahve to be really really mad to injure two people with a bat, but with a pistol you can mow down a crowd before you feel satisfied. we need to get rid of guns and go back to the fifties when violence was all dealt with bats or knives, sure there was more kids in hospitals but a lot less in mortuaries. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Like I said guns arnen't the issue, and back in the 50's people didn't work 55 hours a week, and usually there was a stay at home mother to take care of the children, and schools weren't filled with want to be gansters that watch too much mtv. Guns or no guns doesn't change the fact that there will always be violent people and that there is no direct way to stop a murder from happening if someone is deadset on doing it.
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    Lack of education is the problem, so I suppose parenting falls into that category. Guns, Drugs, and Sex are not discussed enough in an educational arena. They are taboo items, or automatic "NOs" and "DONTS" ie. "DONT DO DRUGS" "NO SEX". When something is forbidden without an explanation the tendency is to find out for yourself why said things are such NO NOs. If instead we educated our youth about the consequences of their actions, in each specific situation (without reverting to the D.A.R.E. fascist scare tactics and false information campaigns) we could avoid the majority of these problems. Instead however, our society (at least the American Social Structure, I didnt want to lump all you nice Europeans in with us <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> ) treats kinds like mindless possessions that need to be TOLD how and when to live their lives. Education has always been the bottom line, if you disagree examine what happened when society began to educate the public on AIDS, where the most money was spent on education, the biggest drop in new infections occurred.
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 10 2003, 01:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 10 2003, 01:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> we need to get rid of guns and go back to the fifties when violence was all dealt with bats or knives, sure there was more kids in hospitals but a lot less in mortuaries. [/QUOTE]


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    Actualy in PA they made gun restrictions harder in hopes of qwuelling gun violence, what happened was that people started to carry around and use baseball bats. Fatalities actualy increased b/c victims in hospitals had to deal with people with crushed in skulks rather then a (most of the time ) non fatal bullet wound.

    SOund theory, but a good idea gone bad lol at least in philidelphia.
  • littlewildlittlewild Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9467Members
    It is a combination of many factors. Basically you have the motivation and you find the tools.
    Bad parenting/Psychological problem/Broken family/School bullies are just a few of the possible motivations for the child to want to kill half his classmates. Guns that can be easily obtained is another part of the problem.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Cpl.Davis+Jun 10 2003, 03:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cpl.Davis @ Jun 10 2003, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [QUOTE=dr.d,Jun 10 2003, 01:13 PM] we need to get rid of guns and go back to the fifties when violence was all dealt with bats or knives, sure there was more kids in hospitals but a lot less in mortuaries. [/QUOTE]


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    Actualy in PA they made gun restrictions harder in hopes of qwuelling gun violence, what happened was that people started to carry around and use baseball bats. Fatalities actualy increased b/c victims in hospitals had to deal with people with crushed in skulks rather then a (most of the time ) non fatal bullet wound.

    SOund theory, but a good idea gone bad lol at least in philidelphia. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    that wasn't my quote, I'm not dumb enough to think violence was less of a problem in the 50's.
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 10 2003, 03:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 10 2003, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    that wasn't my quote, I'm not dumb enough to think violence was less of a problem in the 50's. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yea i was know sorry, i was trying to get Zel but I quouted your quoute from him and it got messed up. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 10 2003, 05:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 10 2003, 05:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> someone under the age of 14 dies in Africa every 25 minutes due to aids, so excuse me if im not horrifed.

    edit: and this just proves that public education is not only a waste of time and money but also a magnet for violence.

    /The following is a tasteless joke, do not read if you are easily offended, do not ban if you are a moderator heh/

    And why do all these kids think they need like 5+ weapons to get the job done, all you need is an AK with about 15 clips of ammo and teflon tipped bullets and you can take down the whole school using 3 round bursts.

    /end of tasteless joke/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I hear ya.

    Rember that shooting at some school, with the 2 kids in the dining area.

    200 rounds and 14 injurys/casualties.

    Thats poor.

    Please tell me, why whites have most of the power and welth in the world yet one of the lowest population shares?
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