Force Field Invented

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<div class="IPBDescription">No, really!</div> <a href='http://www.aip.org/enews/physnews/2003/split/640-2.html' target='_blank'>http://www.aip.org/enews/physnews/2003/spl...plit/640-2.html</a>

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Number 640 #2, June 5, 2003 by Phil Schewe, James Riordon, and Ben Stein


A plasma valve, a device that uses electrically charged particles to act as a barrier between air and vacuum, has been invented by a Brookhaven-Argonne collaboration. These two DOE labs joined forces to provide a needed component for Argonne's Advanced Photon Source and similar facilities worldwide. Inside the walls of accelerators, synchrotrons and storage rings, a good vacuum--empty space mostly devoid of matter--enables particle beams to travel unimpeded for hours. However, if a leak causes air to rush into the vacuum, the particle beam spreads out and deposits its energy onto surrounding walls, disrupting the beam and damaging valuable equipment. The faster the leak can be closed, the less damage will be done to the walls. The plasma valve, which has no moving parts, can activate in a nanosecond, a million times faster than mechanical valves. To keep air from rushing in, the Brookhaven-Argonne team create a dense, high-temperature plasma (collection of charged particles) held together by electric and magnetic fields. Housed inside a hollow copper cylinder, the plasma reaches a temperature of 15,000 degrees Kelvin (about 50 times greater than room temperature)--making the plasma particles bounce around so vigorously that they collide with air molecules and prevent them from passing into the vacuum. Moreover, the valve's confining electromagnetic fields prevent the plasma itself from rushing into the vacuum. (Brookhaven press release, May 28). A much faster, more complex version of a previously introduced "plasma window" (see New Scientist, 12 April 2003), the plasma valve is the latest example of novel uses of plasma for particle-beam applications; other recent ones include plasma acceleration of antimatter (Update 634), a plasma lens (Update 508), and plasma deflection of high-energy beams (Update 540).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

5, 4, 3, 2, 1, GO!

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  • InjuryInjury Mahou Shoujo Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7992Banned
    Now we can fight off the alien hordes!
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    Yeah, was reading about that on <a href='http://www.slashdot.com/' target='_blank'>/.</a> at work today. Very cool stuff, but sounds a bit dangerous due to the heat that's used to make the "force field" do it's thing.
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Members
    I read that article too, its a buncha hooplah till they get practical applications for it

    But that is soo cool anyway.. imagine touching something that burns at 15,000 kalvin

    I think the high heat involved is what will kill it. Imagine if you built a "valve" that was like 15 meters in diameter... the heat would be staggering to say the least! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> but still cool.. its a great first step yes?
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    "Man, i love these new force fields. HA! stupid aliens can't do sh*t against us now. Look at them bouncing off the wall and burning themselves"

    "Hey dude, what's that hissing noise?"

    "I dunno man"

    *technical geezers enter*

    "I'd run"

    "Why?"

    *BOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM*

    "Oh dear, my face appears to be on the ground"
  • CrystalSnakeCrystalSnake Join Date: 2002-01-27 Member: 110Members
    Does this new force field actually stop matter if it's more than just a few atoms?
    Could it stop, say, a bullet fired from a handgun?
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited June 2003
    Considering the heat if the bullet did penetrate it would be molten lead on the other side
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Depends, if there is enough energy in the plasma then the incoming bullets would heat up also, and perhaps also break down into plasma. If the magnetic containment is strong enough, then the former bullets would then be trapped and added to the "force field". There's a lot of plasma physics in this that I don't understand (yet), but it would cost a phenomenal amount of energy to be able to block a bullet, not to mention a steady stream of bullets.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited June 2003
    There have actually been multitudes of 'forcefields' (see for example the static fields used to contain the experimental fusion reactor in the TU Karlsruhe) before.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 9 2003, 04:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 9 2003, 04:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There have actually been multitudes of 'forcefields' (see for example the static fields used to contain the experimental fusion reactor in the TU Karlsruhe) before. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Leave it to Nem to crush our hopes and dreams.
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Well, "force fields"...The Earth has a force field, the Sun has a force field...really, everything is a "force field" - your atoms, their nuclei... so it's a misnomer to say that the force field was "invented". Localized force fields are another matter.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Leave it to Nem to crush our hopes and dreams. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Oh, on the contrary - all I'm trying to say is that the idea of 'forcefields' is not as sci-fi as you should believe and that this is yet another practical use of a well developed, albeit widely ignored, kind of technology.
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 9 2003, 09:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 9 2003, 09:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Leave it to Nem to crush our hopes and dreams. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Oh, on the contrary - all I'm trying to say is that the idea of 'forcefields' is not as sci-fi as you should believe and that this is yet another practical use of a well developed, albeit widely ignored, kind of technology. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I was thinking the same thing - electromagnetic force fields have been around for a while now.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    So what happens when they reverse the polarity? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • LazarusLazarus Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 122Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Gold
    Why use some plasma force field when you can use high voltage electric fence? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Hmm

    /me gets ideas about electric fences made of electric tf's
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    were you serious about using electric fences? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
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