Webbed By The Head

TheWizardTheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Webbing on ceilings.</div> Here is a tactical conundrum that just popped into my head:

Normally when a JP marine flies down a long hallway (ie in siege005)
they will crouch and skim along the ceiling while brandishing their welder.

If a gorge were to lay a web flat on the ceiling such as they can on the ground, would it catch the marine? Or would the marines welding arc melt the web? Or is it just a matter of chance.

I don't have enough friends who are up at this hour to test it and wondered if any of you knew the answer. Or, is there a better pattern in which you like to web?

<i>Even though this is a bit of a tactical question I couldnt decide if it were an alien tactic or a marine tactic</i>

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  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    I would think it'd be chance. the welding arc isn't THAT big, and most marines kind of angle them down anyways.
  • Infected_MarineInfected_Marine Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11287Members
    shssss..... your giving away the secrets....

    I actually say this done quite well on a public server of all places. This tactic works extremely well on siege, but I think there are some hallways in regular maps where this would work just as well. I am not sure about vents, never tried it in them.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    And nothing is more satisfying than a webbed JPer who goes *splat* on the ground. Laughs all around.
  • napinapi Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14172Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And nothing is more satisfying than a webbed JPer who goes *splat* on the ground. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    i couldn't agree more!
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    to test:

    start a lan
    sv_cheats 1
    bigdig (insta build)
    givepoints (gives rzr)
    spawnhive (spawns a hive)X2

    go gorge, web up the way you want it

    go marine tech up to JP (should take 2 secs) test <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TheWizardTheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Thansal+Jun 5 2003, 10:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Jun 5 2003, 10:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> to test:
    start a lan
    ...
    go gorge, web up the way you want it
    go marine tech up to JP...  <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Cool stuff, I never knew the correct commands for that in a lan. However, would sv_cheats 1 allow an alien to go marine once they were an alien? I thought this was blocked.
  • chia-onochia-ono Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10053Members
    yes, sv_cheats 1 allows the game to start without any players. You could also f4 at your leasure to join the other team once the game started.
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    no one gave him a definite answer.... can i web across ceilings to catch welders? i always assumed they were immune to webbing, and instead i would use it sparingly everywhere, so that if they tried to use a real gun theyd be caught instantly.
  • TheWizardTheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--chia-ono+Jun 5 2003, 12:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (chia-ono @ Jun 5 2003, 12:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yes, sv_cheats 1 allows the game to start without any players. You could also f4 at your leasure to join the other team once the game started. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know about f4 but if you are an alien then try to go marine you will get an error message that says you cannot go marine once you were alien (in the same game) I was just wondering if it was sv_cheats that overrides that error or another variable.
  • CowswinCowswin Join Date: 2003-03-17 Member: 14623Banned, Constellation
    The short answer is JPers will drop out of the sky like flies. Angry, angry flies.

    The long answer is that it depends on the angle of the ceiling and the JPer. If a JPer is aiming upwards slightly, they will probably cut the web. If they are not, they will be caught. If the ceiling is arced and the JPer is going DOWN the arc, they will most likely cut the web. If they are traveling UP they will most likely NOT cut the web and proceed to drop like a 2000 pound bomb...without the explosion.

    Sated? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • AezayAezay Join Date: 2003-04-19 Member: 15660Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--wizard@psu+Jun 5 2003, 07:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (wizard@psu @ Jun 5 2003, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--chia-ono+Jun 5 2003, 12:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (chia-ono @ Jun 5 2003, 12:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yes, sv_cheats 1 allows the game to start without any players. You could also f4 at your leasure to join the other team once the game started. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know about f4 but if you are an alien then try to go marine you will get an error message that says you cannot go marine once you were alien (in the same game) I was just wondering if it was sv_cheats that overrides that error or another variable.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Your wondering are correct, sv_cheats set to 1 overrides that.
  • haWuhaWu Join Date: 2003-02-02 Member: 13006Members
    It works, pretty damn effectively. I remember one particularly embarrasing game on ns_nothing, when I was last marine alive, so I jp on over to Viaduct and do the whole jetpacker thing. I'm flying around when suddenly a skulk tries a bite at me, so I boost up till i'm touching the roof.

    Then suddenly I get webbed. "Wth?" I say, as I look up to see the webbed ceiling. As I fall to my death with the whole team laughing at me, and the Kharaa team too. So yeah, it works a lot of the time. Try to do it in places where they aren't expecting it.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    From my 5 minutes of messing around using thansal's suggestion, I came to the conclusion that this web is easy to cut through if you are expecting it. Holding the welder at about the same angle as the ceiling will cut through all the ceiling webs.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    cool, thnaks for the info <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    yah, aint sv_cheats 1 great <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> (I use it all the time for tests)
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--i'm lost+Jun 5 2003, 08:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Jun 5 2003, 08:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> From my 5 minutes of messing around using thansal's suggestion, I came to the conclusion that this web is easy to cut through if you are expecting it. Holding the welder at about the same angle as the ceiling will cut through all the ceiling webs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Won't webbing slightly lower catch the feet of the rine? Try webbing up an entire hallway from top to bottom and see if it is still possible to get thorugh with a jetpack.
  • DecimatorDecimator Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8057Members
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Jun 5 2003, 06:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 5 2003, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--i'm lost+Jun 5 2003, 08:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Jun 5 2003, 08:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> From my 5 minutes of messing around using thansal's suggestion, I came to the conclusion that this web is easy to cut through if you are expecting it.  Holding the welder at about the same angle as the ceiling will cut through all the ceiling webs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Won't webbing slightly lower catch the feet of the rine? Try webbing up an entire hallway from top to bottom and see if it is still possible to get thorugh with a jetpack. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you are expecting it, then no, it won't be any harder to get through.
  • TheWizardTheWizard Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10553Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Jun 5 2003, 06:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 5 2003, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Won't webbing slightly lower catch the feet of the rine? Try webbing up an entire hallway from top to bottom and see if it is still possible to get thorugh with a jetpack. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    THe answer to your question: Not usually.

    When a marine crouches and flies with JP and a welder going his feet are basically tucked behind the welder. Thus any webs that are low enough to miss the welder will also miss the marine (99% of the time).
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