Pug Testers
James_H4xwell
Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11518Members
Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11518Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Why not try some new flavor?</div> Looking through the beta forum i see lots of complaints about people not playing enough and Vets throwing their arms up in frustration and confusion. Why not just put a few players from pubs in that dont have a clan? Im not trying to dis vets or anything but most of us pub players are usually on NS from 4 - 6 hours PER DAY. It just seems like more testing could be done very much faster. I see lots of complaints about nobody playing on the beta forum. Its just that most people on pubs go against conventional ways. Jetpack + HMG isnt really that popular on most pubs. I see more people turning to HA and different things like upgrade rushes. For instance one time a comm i was under deliberately went after res nodes instead of hives. We had most of the nodes on the map but they finally got the second hive. The whole alien team had turtled up for hmg + jets. Our whole marine team was a walking death train, we mowed everything down. I guess what im saying is that there are 3 groups. Devs, Vets, Pubs. The first 2 have had their turn why not let the third group have their turn to voice their say?
BTW if my post is out of line in any way feel free to report/lock or whatever. I am in no way trying to cause trouble to the wonderful ns forums in any way.
[edit] Bla, no sleep been helping my parents move stupid typos <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> [/edit]
[edit2] Ok, so they werent typos, just blatant stupidity on my part <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> [/edit2]
BTW if my post is out of line in any way feel free to report/lock or whatever. I am in no way trying to cause trouble to the wonderful ns forums in any way.
[edit] Bla, no sleep been helping my parents move stupid typos <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> [/edit]
[edit2] Ok, so they werent typos, just blatant stupidity on my part <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> [/edit2]
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edit: Those were <i>typos</i>? You said "pugs" like 8 times in a row <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Could we please put this topic to rest? This is like the eleventy-billionth thread about this.
both test for balance in their respective feilds
it goes something like this: the devs have made the update (1.1 update), than the pts test for major bugs and public play, then the vets help fine tune the balance in scrims, when a new patch comes out the cycle is repeated.
you are not in a place to judge activity.
Balance and newbs: You mean what happens when newbs play against each other, as opposed to when skillorz play against each other? Well, the following happens: Either, some of the players quickly get better and own the others, or all the players get better quickly, returning us to the "über vs. über" balance. So I think it is far more important that the game is balanced for skilled players than for newbs. I mean, take extreme cluelessness: Nobody knows how to build anything. Marines: "Waaah, this stinks, we don't respawn and lose as soon as we are all dead." How do you balance that out? Next example: One marine jumps into the CC and discovers how to build IPs and an amory. He proceeds to drop shotguns all around. Marines pick 'em up and go own the aliens. Aliens: "Waaah, this stinks, marines totally own us, what can we do?" Once again, no balance in sight. The only way you can balance play amongst newbs is by teaching 'em how to play, which means they ain't newbs anymore.
Conclusion: Newbs = imbalanced.
Glossary:
Newb: Also newbie, a player new to the game, not to be confused with "n00b".
n00b: Also "smacktard", "idiot", a person not new to the game, but still persisting in cluelessness and smacktardyness.
Could we please put this topic to rest? This is like the eleventy-billionth thread about this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Could you please send me 5 links? I did a search and found 1 but it was obviously a joke.
Balance and newbs: You mean what happens when newbs play against each other, as opposed to when skillorz play against each other? Well, the following happens: Either, some of the players quickly get better and own the others, or all the players get better quickly, returning us to the "über vs. über" balance. So I think it is far more important that the game is balanced for skilled players than for newbs. I mean, take extreme cluelessness: Nobody knows how to build anything. Marines: "Waaah, this stinks, we don't respawn and lose as soon as we are all dead." How do you balance that out? Next example: One marine jumps into the CC and discovers how to build IPs and an amory. He proceeds to drop shotguns all around. Marines pick 'em up and go own the aliens. Aliens: "Waaah, this stinks, marines totally own us, what can we do?" Once again, no balance in sight. The only way you can balance play amongst newbs is by teaching 'em how to play, which means they ain't newbs anymore.
Conclusion: Newbs = imbalanced.
Glossary:
Newb: Also newbie, a player new to the game, not to be confused with "n00b".
n00b: Also "smacktard", "idiot", a person not new to the game, but still persisting in cluelessness and smacktardyness. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didnt really start this about balance. I started it to say that they need people need to play more (if even to just alert the PT's to that fact). But on the other hand, why throw a bunch of unorganized people on aliens against an organized marine team. Obviously if the aliens own then you know there is an imbalance. You cant really tell that if the two teams are even. The balance thering lies when the moderate goes against Uber. No matter the team the Ub3r should pwn right? So what hapens if the moderates win? IMBALANCE. You cant tell right now because both are the same.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=33931' target='_blank'>Numba 2</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=33859' target='_blank'>Numero III (not at first but it gets there)</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=33754' target='_blank'>#Quatre</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=33552' target='_blank'>The Final Five Thread.</a>
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the vet's test from the clan perspective and clanplay
the pt's test from the pubbing perspective and pubplay.
"Oh, i read somewhere that the beta test didnt have enough people or something. Hey, get some normal people in here(ME!!!!!), cos we could sure use some normal people (ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), cos normal people are the people who play the game (me!!!!!!!!!). P.S, great mod, can i wash your car flayra, take your dog for a walk, do your dinner..." [/sarcasm] and so on. At least now try and disguise it a bit better
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=33931' target='_blank'>Numba 2</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=33859' target='_blank'>Numero III (not at first but it gets there)</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=33754' target='_blank'>#Quatre</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=33552' target='_blank'>The Final Five Thread.</a>
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HA! DOESNT COUNT! 2 of those are jokes! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
J/k.... U put me in my place. Somone come lock this now plz to spare me further humiliation <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
"Oh, i read somewhere that the beta test didnt have enough people or something. Hey, get some normal people in here(ME!!!!!), cos we could sure use some normal people (ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), cos normal people are the people who play the game (me!!!!!!!!!). P.S, great mod, can i wash your car flayra, take your dog for a walk, do your dinner..." [/sarcasm] and so on. At least now try and disguise it a bit better <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And for you, i wasnt saying me. I was saying people that stay on all day. I havnt been on lately and wont be for some time. I am helping my parents move to our new house, so pretty soon i wont even have internet for a while. I didnt say anythign in that post about making me a playtester. Oh and i guess that post wasnt a flame, better disguise it better next time <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> .
"Oh, i read somewhere that the beta test didnt have enough people or something. Hey, get some normal people in here(ME!!!!!), cos we could sure use some normal people (ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), cos normal people are the people who play the game (me!!!!!!!!!). P.S, great mod, can i wash your car flayra, take your dog for a walk, do your dinner..." [/sarcasm] and so on. At least now try and disguise it a bit better <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And for you, i wasnt saying me. I was saying people that stay on all day. I havnt been on lately and wont be for some time. I am helping my parents move to our new house, so pretty soon i wont even have internet for a while. I didnt say anythign in that post about making me a playtester. Oh and i guess that post wasnt a flame, better disguise it better next time <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> . <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You cannot honestly tell me that you made this post without the thought of you getting into the beta. That's all I implied by that. And im not going to say it wasn't a flame, because in a small sort of way, it was. But surely, i can't be the only person who get's annoyed by these posts. It's been discussed to death, ressurected, discussed then had a weird spell put on it which made it even more dead than it's previous state of not living-ness. That's all i've got to say really.
(Lol, im turning into xect <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
"Oh, i read somewhere that the beta test didnt have enough people or something. Hey, get some normal people in here(ME!!!!!), cos we could sure use some normal people (ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), cos normal people are the people who play the game (me!!!!!!!!!). P.S, great mod, can i wash your car flayra, take your dog for a walk, do your dinner..." [/sarcasm] and so on. At least now try and disguise it a bit better <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And for you, i wasnt saying me. I was saying people that stay on all day. I havnt been on lately and wont be for some time. I am helping my parents move to our new house, so pretty soon i wont even have internet for a while. I didnt say anythign in that post about making me a playtester. Oh and i guess that post wasnt a flame, better disguise it better next time <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> . <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You cannot honestly tell me that you made this post without the thought of you getting into the beta. That's all I implied by that. And im not going to say it wasn't a flame, because in a small sort of way, it was. But surely, i can't be the only person who get's annoyed by these posts. It's been discussed to death, ressurected, discussed then had a weird spell put on it which made it even more dead than it's previous state of not living-ness. That's all i've got to say really.
(Lol, im turning into xect <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lol very sorry man, didnt really want to be hostile <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> . I really had no intentions, my intention was to get more people testing so we could get 1.1 faster. As monse said, flay has to wait till a server fills up (could be a week or 2) then he starts making changes. Lol really sorry about being hostile towards you though, I havnt had much sleep with helping my parents move and all, its been real hectic around here. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->