Question about the release.

biobrain · June 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">I think this will be a good time to ask</div>I'm not asking for a direct date or any pressure deadlines. I just overheard some people saying NS will be out in sept or later while others say it will be within the next few weeks. So.. when?

Imperial_Fist · June 2002

well who here said september? 3 months away THE HORROR but there finetunning getting bugs coding and stuff this is like the hectic week for ns but it doesnt seem 2 hecktic cuz they did a good job <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> but be warned cough flam war cough <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/bob.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':bob:'> vrs <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tiny.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':tiny:'>

Shuvit_Viper · June 2002

well, as you might have noticed, the team is asking for servers, and has set a mapping deadline. These stuff mostly happen not long before the release. So i guess it shouldn't take too long <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Asraniel · June 2002

I think something like 2 weeks after the deadline.. witch means in 4 weeks.. or less... more likely 3 weeks.. wich means, exactly when im in holidays.. :-(

Kassinger · June 2002

Not much use speculating, if Flayra really knew he could finish it within a set date, I guess he would tell us.

It's probably not long until release, but don't get mad if it doesn't come out within a few weeks. :)

Spyder_Monkey · June 2002

Don't hold your breath, but don't give up either. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

MonsieurEvil · June 2002

I refuse to get specific on the dates, because anything can happen. But September is probably too long of a date. The hope is to release sooner than that.

Infamous · June 2002

Or anything could sad. Do you want a game with tons of bugs, so it has to be patched every month and the team gets complaints out the wazzoo? NO! You might have to wait a little longer, but you would get a finally tuned and polished working machine.

Awww yeah.

Spyder_Monkey · June 2002

Lol @ infamous. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Anything can angry as well. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

On a more serious note, I believe "Aww yeah" is a patented phrase. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

MonsieurEvil · June 2002

You owe me a nickle! Pay up before I sick my FOX lawyers on you!!!

<img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

Kassinger · June 2002

I sort of hope that the dev team won't be announcing beta 2 before it's almost finished, keeping people from complaining and asking when it's going to be released if they have to wait long.

We don't have to worry about that for a while, though.

(Getting the topic back on track after MonsE's attempt to mess it up) <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

the_stalker · June 2002

i know the date! someone told me the releast date! "when its done" <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
<img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asrifle.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':asrifle:'> <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tiny.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':tiny:'>

Sgt_X · June 2002

A perfect quote stalker. Here, have a cookie. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

biobrain · June 2002

<img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/siege.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':siege:'> It just seems weird. Not a lot of work has been shown to the public all month. As I see it NS has only 4 weapons models 5 alien modelsand one marine model displayed.
Then comes the deadline but it still looks like the mod is far from it's release by the amount of information displayed

Psyco45 · June 2002

"Or anything could sad. Do you want a game with tons of bugs, so it has to be patched every month and the team gets complaints out the wazzoo? NO! You might have to wait a little longer, but you would get a finally tuned and polished working machine.

Awww yeah. "

Yeah thats really easy for u to say when u play the game lol but for us normal people it kinda gets old not knowing anything..

MonsieurEvil · June 2002

Has it occured to you two that the reason less has been shown is because the team has been much busier getting the final aspects finished, artwork added, servers lined up, and a million other things that you never bothered to consider?

Everything you see is a gift. Not a right. No whining, please. I got really, really irate when the large amount of PR work leads to people expecting constant updates, just because I had more time to post things in the past. If you want something to complain about, go be a Hostile Intent fan. They get an update about every other month. For the last 3 years...

/me walks off muttering about the impolite and ungrateful

GobyWan · June 2002

MonsE, eat his soul!

Yeah, don't whine about what's released. The art isn't the only PR, there are feature descriptions everywhere, read em.

Shuvit_Viper · June 2002

i can tell you, after next playtest you will be shown something you will really like...

*dramatically background music tune*

CyonPro · June 2002

That's nothing new; I'm shown something I really like after EVERY playtest.

f3rret · June 2002

Well, I'll still be on the forums, first thing monday asking *rudely* where my screenies are.

You know you love me. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

CyonPro · June 2002

I shall maintain my allegiance to lemurs, but ferrets are my second favorite. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

f3rret · June 2002

Very true... I can't compete with lemurs... but at least I beat out the hedgehogs!

CyonPro · June 2002

Correct, superior sir (ferret).

What was the original topic? I don't want to see this closed just because of a lemur comment. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Spyder_Monkey · June 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (MonsieurEvil @ June 20 2002,15:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Has it occured to you two that the reason less has been shown is because the team has been much busier getting the final aspects finished, artwork added, servers lined up, and a million other things that you never bothered to consider?

Everything you see is a gift. Not a right. No whining, please. I got really, really irate when the large amount of PR work leads to people expecting constant updates, just because I had more time to post things in the past. If you want something to complain about, go be a Hostile Intent fan. They get an update about every other month. For the last 3 years...

/me walks off muttering about the impolite and ungrateful</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I think this was the final thing that needed to be said on the subject at hand. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

f3rret · June 2002

Hey, yeah...

I would rather that the team work on finishing up models, and finding servers, rather than posting pretty screenshots.

There, how was that?

Freemantle · June 2002

Here is my idea. I have BIG dreams for natural selection. Big as in overthrowing counterstrike. Firearms and TFC came close, but not really. The Counterstrike community is becoming less and less happy with CS (esp version 1.4 and 1.5, the game has become less fun).

My point is, I don't care what servres you have.

I don't care how many maps come with the first release.

I don't care how many models (or lack of) we have seen.

I dont care if I have to wait 'til September.

I don't care if inital versions are bug-laden.

This game needs to be FUN. Do we have playtesters looking deeper than surface glitches? Deep into the fun facor? What kind of rush does a fireteam get out of taking down a level 2? What does it's death moan sound like? If I let off my shottie in a Bob's face, what would his death animation look like? How helpless does a marine look when webbed? Does the lev 4 look feasible scary when bouncing off the walls and ceilings or is it just weird? Why dosen't Bob turn upside-down when walking on the ceiling? Will acid blood "burn" through the level (I know its not possible, but at least make a bullet hole render)? Can you make the sounds of Tiny's hoofprints match his gallop speed? How will a standing, decapitated marine fall to the ground? Does each level of evolution have individual kill and death cries (this is both functional and decorative)? Swimming animations? Will the aliens move realisticly? <b>Physics</b>, I know it is a fun mod but physics mean EVERYTHING (Jumping, Level 4's moving, Jetpack, Falling, nd the Momentum/Inerta of Level 2's 5's and "bouncing" level 4's give me the most concern)! The hitbox thing I talked about earlier (these arent regular creatures, so give them irregular hitboxes)? Do we have weapons to fill all roles? Do the radio commands come easily (Tribes 2 system? please?)?

Anyway, I have even more endlessly long things I would like to be looked over before the first beta is released. Things to give the atmosphere, make the game FUN. You only get one first impression. Let's make it a good one.

/me hints that this whole long ### post could be avoided if Freemantle was a playester <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

VGTG
VGCA

Imperial_Fist · June 2002

the alians look like there upside down to the marines but the THIS IS THE FING HALF LIFE ENGINE and so its ahrd to not get anoyed at a hachling who jsut sighned on so ya and if u were on teh playtesting team we all would be and dont ask again ebfor someone flames u rlly bad

Freemantle · June 2002

in english please?

coil · June 2002

Freemantle... it's concerns like those that make me threaten the stability of my relationship with my girlfriend every weekend. (:

I actually talked her out of going dancing in Boston on Friday so I'll be here for the playtest this weekend. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Moleculor · June 2002

Freemantle, the problem with having a fun mod and no servers (or not many that people can play on) is that the mod never gets played. If the mod doesn't get played, then it won't overthrow CS.

The stuff that the team is/are doing is -very- important to the health of this mod.

All the stuff you listed (like little things such as what a marine looks like when webbed) might not actually make it in. Flayra is aiming for a -working- (bug-free, as bugs make a mod un-fun) playable, enjoyable version. The bells and whistles come later.

CyonPro · June 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Imperial Fist @ June 21 2002,11:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the alians look like there upside down to the marines but the THIS IS THE FING HALF LIFE ENGINE and so its ahrd to not get anoyed at a hachling who jsut sighned on so ya and if u were on teh playtesting team we all would be and dont ask again ebfor someone flames u rlly bad</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
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