Room Clearing

Burncycle · May 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">and movement, through MOUT</div> <a href='http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/90-10-1/appk.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/lib...0-10-1/appk.pdf</a>

This deals with team movement, and room clearing, for the most effective coverage and response time while moving in built up terrain (AKA those really skulk friendly levels). Most of the illustrations begin a little less than halfway down with hallway movement, then it gets into exhaustive detail on room clearing

Good luck trying to get 4 people on a public server to move with you like this <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'> but might be fun for a disiplined clan who just feels like trying something new <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Farsight · May 2003

Intresting....but i dont think this was written with aliens in mind. More like men v men not man v alien.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'>

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'>

Burncycle · May 2003

Well, it's supposed to be an effective way of covering most directions with a limited amount of personnel. Aliens add to the demension and make it slightly more complex, but the idea should be sound as a way to quickly put 4 guys in a room, knowing that each part of the room is being checked. As opposed to 2 guys stumbling in haphazardly and waiting till they've been attacked to respond. With a few days practice. I just keep seeing mess hall get pwned over and over again <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

In practice there will be some problems. What if one guy dies? Thats 1/4th of your coverage lost right there, and the guy may or may not be able to rejoin depending on how far away you are.

But, with it's problems, if it can be done, I'd perfer this over simply running through the level with little coordination.

KhazModan · May 2003

thats quite interesting i havnt read it all i will when i have more time, altho my first thoguh was in RL human generally go donw with one shot skulks etc take alot more so that could be a problem,

i try to cover all areas anyway when moviong in pubs

Burncycle · May 2003

But in doing so you look all around 360 degrees constantly (I do as well when I'm alone or with 1 or 2 guys). Even then sometimes a skulk can pop out of nowhere and begin his attack before you can respond- then the jumping/skulk pushing you 20 feet saves you often times, but thats being removed.

This is, essientially, like being alone even when your working with team-mates, because even though they are with you, each individual is covering 360 degrees rather than his/her sector (like in that document where each person has a place to watch). They see a skulk, 4 people open fire.... who's watching the back? No one. With diciplined tactics like this, the front 3 can open fire and your secure in the knowledge that one guy is watching your back.

So more diciplined coordination is warrented- it does seem slow, and at first your going to be so worried about if your in the right position or not that it's not going to help very much- at first. Then after the clan practices with it, they can instinctively fall into place and movement is fairly swift thereafter, but most importantly, movement is now methodical and thurough. Maybe it would work better with HA, with the guy in the back doubling as a welder.

Its not easy, which is why its not widespread, but it might work. Perhaps we can get a group of people together, practice a few days in a private server, then go into a public server and see how well it works?

Praevus · May 2003

You do realize clearing a location is much easier in NS. Get a few skilled marines that can friggin aim and just march on in, with the exception of not cluster-fk'ing themselves together.

Same concept in the beginning of a round. If there is a long hallway and its 1 marine on 2 skulks, blast the 1st skulk and pistol-whip the 2nd.

Xzilen · May 2003

Heh, I shall put that on my list of things to try out.

pardzh · May 2003

.pdf files crash my computer, can anyone summarize the clearing method or post it somewhere else?

Bah, I hate you Acrobat Reader.

Burncycle · May 2003

It just shows what each individual should do when entering- where each should go and where he should look, and when they all do this, they cover the entire room from corner to corner.

It also shows how to move down hallways, both wide and narrow, how to turn corners, etc.

I suppose the other guy who said just get a fast guy with good aim is right, but ah well.

Jasper · May 2003

I dont trust anyone to cover me so it wont work.

Burncycle · May 2003

I don't trust airplanes, so airlines won't work.

Kind of a whack argument <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

DDTrini_Lopez · May 2003

That pdf is interesting . I remember that I read something like that some time ago . It's hard to apply in NS , because in NS Skulks may not only be in the corners of a room but also on the ceiling. But still if you organise a group of marines so each one covers a small angle , it would be deadly cool !! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

eaglec · May 2003

Most of the techniques describe entering a room from an area that is already secure, as no area in NS is totally secure until the game is over it wont work - all the room positions will result in a lone skulk entering behind the marines and introducing choas and slaughter to the equation.
The narrow corridor positions will have the rear marines wasting half their ammo in the back of the forward one and the door entry positions result in the skulk above dropping neatly into the middle of the group and wasting at least two before they get a shot off.

A good, and much simpler tactic when working as a pair is that one marine charges into the room in a straight line while the other covers him. If a skulk attacks marine two takes the skulk out. When marine 1 is in the room he takes a corner position asap and when he is secure marine two follows and takes the opposite/adjacent corner immediately.

The advantage of this simple manouvre is you can pretty much do it even if marine 1 doesn't know about it. Let the newbie run in to the room and you hang back and cover, when he is in and over 50% through the room, you follow, keeping you ears open and checking behind you just often enough. By leaving a gap as Mr Newbie enters the room you keep him from getting in your way should you have to shoot and you use him as bait to draw out the aliens making it much more likely that one of you will reach their target. He also clears the webs for you <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Burncycle · May 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>A good, and much simpler tactic when working as a pair is that one marine charges into the room in a straight line while the other covers him. If a skulk attacks marine two takes the skulk out. When marine 1 is in the room he takes a corner position asap and when he is secure marine two follows and takes the opposite/adjacent corner immediately.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

How about a compromise: 3 marines. 1 rush in, one watches, and the third looks to the rear down the hallway just in case.

This way, if one still does get taken out anyway, you still have 2 marines that can actually do something, rather than 1 marine all alone fighting for survival much less doing something useful. Plus, when moving through a hallway, you've got 2 guns forward and one back. And when approaching a T section, you can cover each direction

does it seem sound?

eaglec · May 2003

yep, as long as two of the three marines know that's the plan it will work.

As you can tell from my tactic I normally play on pubs <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

but 1 marine on his own can do a lot of damage to alien strats...

Moquiao · May 2003

90% of the time i play on my LAN with my friends or my dad. (we share the adsl and go online....)

we move not proper stylee because it wont work.. good example is they dont get you to check the ceiling in MOUT...

you need to check every crevace and corner for skulks...

but what me and my tema mate do is cos well the communication is great cos we are next to each other... one watches the crooks and cranny's while the other one keeps focus on the main path and lower areas... it works remarkably well... also... as we are spray and prayers we never fire at the same time... it may seem whack not to focus fire... but .. when i run out of 50 rounds which is pretty fast and have to go to my pistol... it is nice to know that THEN my team mate isnt on his pistol and has a full clip...

obviously when up agaisnt fades/lerks/onos the rules all change, we use cover fire and push it back.. do not let it gain ground!

10 round bursts.. which means 10 x 10 round bursts till LMG's are out.. all in all that is enough firepower to scare off larger animals normally...

best was when i got 6 p.c's rigged on my ADSL and we all went online all as TSA and we actually b0ned all!.. there is nothing better then a lan game....

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