1 Question About 1.1

MerciorMercior Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4019Members, Reinforced - Shadow
1.1 sounds pretty awesome, but I have 1 question about the balance:

What is there to stop an alien team having say, 4 gorges who all suck res at the start of the game, and 2 skulks who keep them safe (easy to defend when you have gorges to heal you...) . the gorges all go onos, during which time the other aliens could also save for onos or a hive. I'm not sure how fast res will be sucked, but I imagine that you could save up for Onos before the marines had chance to get level 2 weapons or a proto lab, and 4 onos vs marines perhaps with a couple of HMG's and lvl 1 weapons really would be an uneven fight, especially combined with a skulk and a lerk?

It just seems the obvious way to win the game as khaara to me, perhaps I am missing something out?

Comments

  • FieariFieari Join Date: 2002-10-22 Member: 1566Members, Constellation
    You could do that, in earlier builds. But now, when sucking as a gorge, the more resources you have, the slower you suck. So it's easy to get the res to build things, but it takes forever to get the res to evolve.
  • DraconisDraconis Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13722Members, Reinforced - Onos
    4 gorges are incredibly weak and 2 skulks wont be enough to protect them against a full marine team. Besides an onos without upgrades are not worth it.
  • MerciorMercior Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4019Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--Fieari+May 21 2003, 03:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fieari @ May 21 2003, 03:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You could do that, in earlier builds. But now, when sucking as a gorge, the more resources you have, the slower you suck. So it's easy to get the res to build things, but it takes forever to get the res to evolve. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ah thats an excellent feature <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • EatsEats Join Date: 2002-10-24 Member: 1582Members
    that strat never worked in any build.
  • JavertJavert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members
    You would have to assume that the rines aren't moving newhere and looking 4 the gorges/res. Nope, don't think it'd work.
  • criticaIcriticaI Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15269Banned, Constellation
    If you introduce me to 2 skulks good enough to protect 4 sucking gorges, their drinks are on me! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    I might be able to handle three, so long as they were at (v1.04) Cargo Bay Foyer, and the entire Marine team wasn't rushing at once. And the Gorges knew how to Gorgedance around bullets at least a little. But then again, I mostly pub at this point, so that might not be the best indicator. ^_^
  • Roger_DodgerRoger_Dodger Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14392Members
    Hmm how about getting the team to gorge and suck res for a couple of oc's to defend each node being sucked then save for onos??


    - RD
  • MordenMorden Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14045Members
    edited May 2003
    An OC may delay the marine, but it won't protect you for long. One lmg rine can kill an OC just by dodging in and out of a door way.

    On the other hand... that OC may delay the rine long enough to get your rover-skulk there in time.
  • Mr_BoxMr_Box Join Date: 2003-02-12 Member: 13482Members
    Ok ive got a few questions about this res sucking, can more than 1 gorge suck from a res node, my initial thought was no, but I havnt seen it said any where.

    Depending on that, if more than one gorge per node (with no slow down becuase > 1 gorge) , then everyone go gorge, build 3 movments( by res node), every one upgrade to adrenalin then any marines that attack get splated by heal spray.

    Or if each gorge has to use their own res node, all separate (leave 2 as skulks) and go gorge, then every one build a sensory by there res node.


    Also 1 more question is Pheromones effect viewable though walls? or do you need LOS to the affected area?
  • EatsEats Join Date: 2002-10-24 Member: 1582Members
    here's how it goes down. Your a fatteh just trying to make a living suckling a res node. You drop some ocs to defend yourself. Then around 4 riens roll up all at once and ruin you, and your skulk bodyguard.

    That's my experience from gorging in a scrim.
  • DDTrini_LopezDDTrini_Lopez Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7296Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mr Box+May 21 2003, 10:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr Box @ May 21 2003, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok ive got a few questions about this res sucking, can more than 1 gorge suck from a res node, my initial thought was no, but I havnt seen it said any where.
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    Yes , more than 1 gorge can suck res from the same node . But the res are divided , let's say if there are 2 gorges sucking they will get the res 1/2 as fast . If there are 3 , 1/3 as fast ...
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Keep in mind that the Oni are not as strong as in 1.0x, plus, they'd not command over their higher-hive abilities as sucking four resnodes doesn't leave much RP for the rest of the team to build structures.

    So, you'd see four Oni, without any upgrades, with nothing but Stomp and Bite, against marines, who can at least afford mines, shotguns, turrets, and lvl2 weaponry.

    Sure, it might work, provided your four Oni are hellishly good, but the risk is <i>high</i>.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    And afford mines... and mines... and more mines... and oh yeah, MINES.
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