What Has Happened?
KingKupo
Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9785Members
Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9785Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Is teamwork not needed anymore?</div> a few days ago i was playing on a custom map server, it was one of them maps where kharaa and 'rines are separated by a giant door that opens after some time.(a issue i shall once bring up about custom maps in another thread). so we started with two hives, and two gorges which i didn't like as my res-flow became slow. as soon as i got some decent res i go lerk for i knew that they were in a hurry for HMG/JP. suddenly we've got 4-5 peeps as a lerk but no fades, the door opens, they kill our RTs,we stop 'em, the third hive is up and still two gorges were draining res. and suddenly we've got 3 onos, but stil no fade i was aware that my fellow players did not have the experience required to get a decent assault up. so i try to help them. i die trying to cover a onos who was stupid enough not to the DCs before him and he dies. i'm rein and i wait and wait, suddenly it hit me, i can't respawn!
so i decided to take a look at how they are doing, one guy got behind lines and started shooting hives and welding 'em, but the onos didn't use paralyze and the gorges didn't web. he killed two hives as my teammates were jumping up and trying to hit him, so we lost and the 'rines team started bragging about their uber skills. i disconnected, tought about it and brought his thread up a few days later.
THE POINT IS: has NS really devolved to a stage where teamwork doesn't count? where it's just about getting someone who can use a HMG and JP decent to kill the hive?where the polite reqeust of ungorging has become not more than a waste of time? i heard someone talking about a JP/HMG fix(did i skipped something while reading the changelist?) still it saddens me that much comms rely on such tactics in which they depend on the experience of one person? i didn't blame my team or called 'em 'rines lame for i have learned to not always voice your opion about something like a lost game of NS. or am i just nagging 'bout something stupid and it's my imagination tht a lone 'rine with JP/HMG can take a hive out?
so i decided to take a look at how they are doing, one guy got behind lines and started shooting hives and welding 'em, but the onos didn't use paralyze and the gorges didn't web. he killed two hives as my teammates were jumping up and trying to hit him, so we lost and the 'rines team started bragging about their uber skills. i disconnected, tought about it and brought his thread up a few days later.
THE POINT IS: has NS really devolved to a stage where teamwork doesn't count? where it's just about getting someone who can use a HMG and JP decent to kill the hive?where the polite reqeust of ungorging has become not more than a waste of time? i heard someone talking about a JP/HMG fix(did i skipped something while reading the changelist?) still it saddens me that much comms rely on such tactics in which they depend on the experience of one person? i didn't blame my team or called 'em 'rines lame for i have learned to not always voice your opion about something like a lost game of NS. or am i just nagging 'bout something stupid and it's my imagination tht a lone 'rine with JP/HMG can take a hive out?
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I suggest you play a good map, on Voogru or Nano Gridlock. You will see that this hasnt turned into CS, the team work is needed. Team-Work isnt a suggestion in NS, Its a requirement. If teamwork, and co-ordination isnt used then you lose. Plain and simple. Not that losing is a bad thing. Its dam fun running past 4 Oni, un-noticed while your team egg you on. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
the original idea of siege is fun but the sieging spoils it.another thing, i can't join voogru servers bacause i lack some file. can i get some explanation 'bout this too?
What exactly is symp<b>o</b>thy Silverfox? xD
In siege u need 1 if not 2 gorges and the rest of the team should try to stay dead to give the gorges more res for nodes. You place most of the nodes and get the other gorge to build the upgrades and the start of the defences.
1 min b4 the door opens all aliens should spawn and evolve if res is fast enuff. Gorges web the hell out of the hives then the hall way rooves along the way to rines and on the way down spam masses of OC's and DC'S with the occasional move or sense.
Do not lame doors but rather sides of hallways that way forcing the jp's into the room fast, then they hit the webs above them coz they r in a hurry. if u lame easily seen areas in front of an entrance they sit back and shoot it therefore making it useless.
Try to avoid grouping too many buildings together coz that way grens arent as useful as they need to waste even more shots to be effective.
Thats my formula usually works but only if the rest of the team is useful enuff to distract rines at the least till i can help em out.
As for the clipping exploit it ruins the game but if u got good admins then there shouldnt be a problem.
- RD
but hey, NS1.1 is around the corner and thats almost as good as a few new maps. isn't it? also nice theory roger dodger. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think Khaim knew that <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also, last time I checked theres no 'almost as good as a few new maps' about it, 1.1 <b>does</b> contain new maps <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
And if you get the occasional smartarse who reckons he can do a better job, let him he may know what he's doing and if he doesn't least you know one way not to try next time.
Thx KingKupo good to know sum1 appreciates a different view of things.
- RD
In CS a team of rambos can win vs a semi-organized team. Rambos vs a highly organized team dont stand a chance. The same goes for NS. Noone is forcing teams to work together in this game, its just that they wont win without teamwork.
If i can ever vote which stuff we should get i always say "HA/HMG/WELDER"
I've seen way too much jp/hmg ramboing <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->. Maybe we should start a movement against JP/HMG <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> at least until 1.1 is out maybe things change.
Someone set up us the bomb.
lol
Have you installed C-D?
I know it is required one at least one of them.
just yesterday i had one guy holding base (along with me the comm) along with some mines. i then had the rest of the team (4 people) trying to lock down 2 hives togather. they played great as a team moving togather, and i got them motion, armor1, and ammo1. we locked down 1 hive early on, but when trying to get the second hive locked down, one or 2 skulks would take the whole group down. i mean with motion you can tell where they are coming from, and had a few upgrades to make it easier. it wasnt that they didnt play as a team, just that their aim and skills werent the greatest. so after 3 repeated attempts at the second hive, i got jetpacks and hmgs, dropped some for myself, and finished the aliens off. now i know winning isnt everything, but sometimes you go for the sure fire win as opposed to several failed attempts at other strategies.
Have you installed C-D?
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you either mean Cheating-Death or the "shell.mdl" error.
do a google search and download CD if that is the problem.
If it is the shell.mdl error, you either have custom models (how ironic that a server with custom plug-ins doesnt allow custom models, eh? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->)
which in order to play on voogru, you will need to remove and replace with the originals. If you have no custom models but get the error, you need to download the 1.04 server patch, which has the new shell.mdl
if your not intereste into hearing me complain about the behavior of other players i suggest you skip the following part. it's just a litle of the rage i get from annoying personalitys.
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ah, the good ol' days of NS, when rambos did not exist, and 'arrogant' clanners did not exist either(they used to be okay, but nowadays, they are just a bunch of **** when in group, sorry to say it, they are MOSTLY rude to you and ban you if you manage to defeat them 'cause you suddenly seem to use cheats and will be the next hitler and then they always rush with JP/mines, ugh, i used to respect them, but nowadays. sorry if you are a clanner, but watch your behavior against other players, i don't complain much mostly about others attitude but i'm sick of them ruining good games by kicking comm/gorge and taking their place, sure it's their server but they could at least wait till the end of the game instead of ruining it, i've only seen one clan that seems to be polite against others so far i think).
If we would implement 15% of the S&I forums most idiotic suggestions, the 'rines with snipers would be riding mechanical dinosaurs that would shoot nukes out of their mouth and the aliens would have fades with 50HP and 10 AP, i don't know wether this has changed, but last time i remember having 10 flamer/sniper threads in a row.
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complaining time is over now, you can relax.
it's hatefull when the players chastize a comm/gorge for their loss, even though they had plenty o' chances to destroy the hive, i often try to defend the comm/gorge(they stand under enormous presure, their thoughts of them failing the team are a cruel punishment on their own, do not make them feel more bad by insulting them.
i don't have custom models or any other file(they are considered a cheat on some servers, and what are they worth? i can't see them myself, but i get the can't find something with shells message(prollie what you've said) and i've got CD.
the map was NS_simulated. . well thanks for trying to help anyway.
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Eh i suppose so if you gauge fun by how much you're winning
You can only get on rines half the time on siege because there is only random team doors in the ready room, and to be fair unless you're uber skilled you're likely to be losing half the time anyway on normal maps. So it strikes me as pretty stupid to put fun on hold for half the time you play ns.
Actually the reason siege isnt as much fun as its fun map status would suggest is because it lags you to fook and crashes the server.
if your not intereste into hearing me complain about the behavior of other players i suggest you skip the following part. it's just a litle of the rage i get from annoying personalitys.
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ah, the good ol' days of NS, when rambos did not exist, and 'arrogant' clanners did not exist either(they used to be okay, but nowadays, they are just a bunch of **** when in group, sorry to say it, they are MOSTLY rude to you and ban you if you manage to defeat them 'cause you suddenly seem to use cheats and will be the next hitler and then they always rush with JP/mines, ugh, i used to respect them, but nowadays. sorry if you are a clanner, but watch your behavior against other players, i don't complain much mostly about others attitude but i'm sick of them ruining good games by kicking comm/gorge and taking their place, sure it's their server but they could at least wait till the end of the game instead of ruining it, i've only seen one clan that seems to be polite against others so far i think).
If we would implement 15% of the S&I forums most idiotic suggestions, the 'rines with snipers would be riding mechanical dinosaurs that would shoot nukes out of their mouth and the aliens would have fades with 50HP and 10 AP, i don't know wether this has changed, but last time i remember having 10 flamer/sniper threads in a row.
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complaining time is over now, you can relax.
it's hatefull when the players chastize a comm/gorge for their loss, even though they had plenty o' chances to destroy the hive, i often try to defend the comm/gorge(they stand under enormous presure, their thoughts of them failing the team are a cruel punishment on their own, do not make them feel more bad by insulting them.
i don't have custom models or any other file(they are considered a cheat on some servers, and what are they worth? i can't see them myself, but i get the can't find something with shells message(prollie what you've said) and i've got CD.
the map was NS_simulated. . well thanks for trying to help anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow you must really suck at NS to get so mad over something like this. Stop whining, if someone has the skill to shoot down a hive while you're all fumbling about you should applaud them. You shouldnt get so frustrated every time someone beats you at an online computer game, its all about fun isnt it?
I dont see why there is so much anger and hatred towards the supposedly unstoppable JP/HMG rush. I have always found that my team has already lost every time we're on the end of it, it usually just serves to cut down the boring and painful "downward spiral" period of the game.
And FYI any JP/HMG rush has to be supported by team work or you will never get far enough to research the techs.
But i did die once though....Still good if u ask me
hihih look at my Member # and compare to urs <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I personally don't have any fun with that.