<!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Apr 29 2003, 05:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Apr 29 2003, 05:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its been that way since the 1800s you can have 1,000 reelections there will always be fraud. You can minimize it though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lemme get this straight - you claim that <i>every</i> of the one-hundred major federal elections since the 1800s included fraud in the scales of multiple <i>thousand</i> voters?
And at the same time, you claim that 'the United States' can bring freedom and democracy to the world?
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Apr 30 2003, 06:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Apr 30 2003, 06:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Apr 29 2003, 05:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Apr 29 2003, 05:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Its been that way since the 1800s you can have 1,000 reelections there will always be fraud. You can minimize it though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lemme get this straight - you claim that <i>every</i> of the one-hundred major federal elections since the 1800s included fraud in the scales of multiple <i>thousand</i> voters?
And at the same time, you claim that 'the United States' can bring freedom and democracy to the world? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> no I said there is alway going to be a little fraud. I never even said that the Florida elections were intentional. Im sure other nations in Europe have voter fraud.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Apr 30 2003, 09:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Apr 30 2003, 09:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> no I said there is alway going to be a little fraud. I never even said that the Florida elections were intentional. Im sure other nations in Europe have voter fraud. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well then doesn't this make for an even greater need for reform? Just because everyone does it, and that's the way it's always been done doesn't mean it's right.
Seriously, we're not talking about a <i>little</i> fraud here, we're talking about up to six <i>thousand</i> people being held from voting, and that in an election that was decided by a difference of roughly five <i>hundred</i> votes. Why do you keep defending a clearly criminal act?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->we're talking about up to six thousand people being held from voting<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sickeningly enough, that's probably a conservative figure.
I just love how Katherine Harris didn't even <i>bother</i> trying to look impartial-- when she got to announce Bush as the winner, she looked as happy as if she's won the election herself.
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<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Apr 29 2003, 11:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Apr 29 2003, 11:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> When asked in a 1999 poll what his favorite childhood book was, Dubya chose <i>The Very Hungry Caterpillar</i>.
<i>The Very Hungry Caterpillar</i> was not published until he was in college. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I read that very book just a few months ago. It never gets old.
<!--QuoteBegin--Fam+Apr 30 2003, 03:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fam @ Apr 30 2003, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I read that very book just a few months ago. It never gets old. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. The suspension, the thrill, the character development...
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Apr 30 2003, 04:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Apr 30 2003, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Fam+Apr 30 2003, 03:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fam @ Apr 30 2003, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I read that very book just a few months ago. It never gets old. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. The suspension, the thrill, the character development... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I disagree. While it had an interesting premise, the characters were one dimensional, and the plot was hamstrung by tired clichés and the author's overwrought prose.
But - the enthusiasm of a young carterpillar - the impending cocoon-angst - the bitterness of the butterfly - all in <i>one</i> character! How's <i>that</i> one dimensional?
See Nem, I think you're projecting yourself upon the title character-- all I saw was a helpless automaton, silently resigned to accept the hand which cruel nature had dealt it.
Where was the pathos, the inner fire, the little child wonder?
Edit: Heh, this reminds me of when the people at the late, lamented Dysfunctional Family Circus began deluging Amazon.com with reviews which took Bil Keane's books <a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0449148165/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/102-9006691-1111332?v=glance&s=books&vi=customer-reviews' target='_blank'>way too seriously</a>.
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<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Apr 30 2003, 03:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Apr 30 2003, 03:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> /me looks at Nemesis /me looks at off-topic posting FAQ /me looks at Nemesis again /me shakes head and walks away, let down by yet another Mod... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> awww comeon, it was flame bait anyways.
I agree. I never bothered with the topic as I didn't think anything good could come of it, and I was not disapointed. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I will give it another hour and close this, if there are no objections?
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Lemme get this straight - you claim that <i>every</i> of the one-hundred major federal elections since the 1800s included fraud in the scales of multiple <i>thousand</i> voters?
And at the same time, you claim that 'the United States' can bring freedom and democracy to the world?
Lemme get this straight - you claim that <i>every</i> of the one-hundred major federal elections since the 1800s included fraud in the scales of multiple <i>thousand</i> voters?
And at the same time, you claim that 'the United States' can bring freedom and democracy to the world? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
no I said there is alway going to be a little fraud. I never even said that the Florida elections were intentional. Im sure other nations in Europe have voter fraud.
Well then doesn't this make for an even greater need for reform? Just because everyone does it, and that's the way it's always been done doesn't mean it's right.
Seriously, we're not talking about a <i>little</i> fraud here, we're talking about up to six <i>thousand</i> people being held from voting, and that in an election that was decided by a difference of roughly five <i>hundred</i> votes. Why do you keep defending a clearly criminal act?
Sickeningly enough, that's probably a conservative figure.
I just love how Katherine Harris didn't even <i>bother</i> trying to look impartial-- when she got to announce Bush as the winner, she looked as happy as if she's won the election herself.
<i>The Very Hungry Caterpillar</i> was not published until he was in college. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I read that very book just a few months ago. It never gets old.
Agreed. The suspension, the thrill, the character development...
Agreed. The suspension, the thrill, the character development... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I disagree. While it had an interesting premise, the characters were one dimensional, and the plot was hamstrung by tired clichés and the author's overwrought prose.
Goodnight, Moon-- now <i>there's</i> a book.
Where was the pathos, the inner fire, the little child wonder?
Edit: Heh, this reminds me of when the people at the late, lamented Dysfunctional Family Circus began deluging Amazon.com with reviews which took Bil Keane's books <a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0449148165/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/102-9006691-1111332?v=glance&s=books&vi=customer-reviews' target='_blank'>way too seriously</a>.
/me looks at off-topic posting FAQ
/me looks at Nemesis again
/me shakes head and walks away, let down by yet another Mod...
/me looks at off-topic posting FAQ
/me looks at Nemesis again
/me shakes head and walks away, let down by yet another Mod... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
awww comeon, it was flame bait anyways.
I will give it another hour and close this, if there are no objections?