That video is awesome!

f3rret

<div class="IPBDescription">But i have one question...</div>That wallclimbing video is amazing!!! The game looks beautiful. That is ALMOST how I pictured the wallclimbing.

I hate to compare NS to other games, *cough*AvP*cough*, but I was wondering if there were plans to rotate the player's view when climbing on walls, or a roof? Like rotate the view upside-down when you're on the ceiling...

--F3rret

Freestyler

It was decided a long time ago that this will not happen due to it making people feel sick and the fact that it is very easy to get lost and dissorientated.  Don't let this make you think the way it works now is bad though, its a very easy way  of doing it and is alot easier to use than when the view is rotated.

SmokeMasta

looks exelent but is the walcrawling a button press ability of do you just need to run upto walls ?

pielemuis

You press a button d:)

Elowind

aye, the video re-kindled my long admiration for NS good job team. But i must say i dont think ill be quite as active in the forums as i was.

Shuvit_Viper

Actually, you press the crouch button, which makes it very easy... <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->

DruBo

Was MonsE missing when he was biting that marine? I didn't see any blood or flinch anims.

MonsieurEvil

Thanks guys. That was just a little throwaway demo converted into a video - next stop: using the JVC camcorder, getting a copy of premier, and really trying to make something...

Sgt_X

seems like.

cool looking though, now if only he'd gone to the trouble it takes to put in some sound <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> (which is a lot of trouble apparently or something)

***Addition***

i looked at the video closer and it seems Flayra joined the game when that marine appears and Flayra is on the "was killed" side of a death message just after the last bite.
OMG they killed Flayra! <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->

WaffleSpoon

I'd love to see about 25 secs of each and every alien + the marine screen <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->

one thing though, the symbols to the right, they aren't really following the screen, they "lag" behind and that was a little irritating, also, BOBs claws didnt move as he walked?..

but smaller issues aside.. I loved it XD

Commando

Looks great although I think the jaws are a bit too stationary.
Nice to see NS in motion, hope sticking to the cieling is easier than in NSTR and was that a one hit kill by the bob?

Rather than use a camcorder it would be better to rig up a video recorder and use a video out recording. Lets you get very good sound and framerate as well as no lighting problems like you would get from a camcorder.

Pi_Gi

/me drools
/me drools more
/me drools even more
/me carefully walks around pool of drool

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!  But, what are those two white wing-ish looking things that appear on the right of the screen while he's climbing?  Are those the climbing indicators?

Shuvit_Viper

these are symbols that show you what upgrades you have got.
They don't lag ingame. At least, i have never felt a lag of these, while i sometimes had a ping of 300...

Lazysam

the only beef i have so far is the wall climbing, i whish it was done like in avp, where you fov gets flipped around, so that you always see "ground" below you, the disorienting effect is kinda neat

RhoadsToNowhere

<!--QuoteBegin--Sgt. X+June 06 2002,10:06--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Sgt. X @ June 06 2002,10:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->***Addition***

i looked at the video closer and it seems Flayra joined the game when that marine appears and Flayra is on the "was killed" side of a death message just after the last bite.
OMG they killed Flayra! <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm pretty sure that was a bot.  Look in the upper-left just before "Flayra" joins the game and you should see something like "Adding bot to game..."  So don't worry, everyone's favorite coder/project leader/deity is still alive and well.  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

Anyway, it's a cool video, but you guys have no idea how much you're missing, in terms of sounds, clearer graphics with the overbrightening factor, and just the general chaos and intensity that ensues when you're playing with actual people.  <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->  It's really gonna be worth the wait when you guys play it.

Gencide

Looks really great! One thing that I want to know is, when other players see a Bob climbing a wall, espeically on top of the ceiling, will it show them actually upside down related to where they are climbing? Since the veiw does not change, it would be strange to see a bob floating in his upright position near the ceiling.

f3rret

I suppose that this is much easier... yes... I don't mind it at all, really. I was just curious. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

But Gen()cide has a good point... what do wallclimbing aliens look like? Do they look upside down when they are on the ceiling?

--F3rret

MonsieurEvil

Good lord, so much to reply to:

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Was MonsE missing when he was biting that marine? I didn't see any blood or flinch anims. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

It's very hard to see in the video, but there are audio and visual cues that I'm hitting or missing (blood, flinch, and Marine yells).

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->cool looking though, now if only he'd gone to the trouble it takes to put in some sound (which is a lot of trouble apparently or something)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

More than a lot of trouble. Without proper AV equipment, it would be impossible using the HL technology alone.

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->one thing though, the symbols to the right, they aren't really following the screen, they "lag" behind and that was a little irritating, also, BOBs claws didnt move as he walked?..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This is a problem with the demo to movie conversion process. It does not happen in game. The claws are not yet completely animated, and don't 'walk' yet in the v_model.

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rather than use a camcorder it would be better to rig up a video recorder and use a video out recording. Lets you get very good sound and framerate as well as no lighting problems like you would get from a camcorder. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

That's what I was talking about. The camcorder is (naturally) a video recorder, and I would be setting up an s-video connection to it. Then I can use it's USB connector to transfer off the DAT onto the harddrive to manipulate in an editing app.

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->the only beef i have so far is the wall climbing, i whish it was done like in avp, where you fov gets flipped around, so that you always see "ground" below you, the disorienting effect is kinda neat <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

There will not be inverted viewing if you're hanging upside down on the ceiling. It induces motion sickness in a lot of people, and is just too hard for casual players to use.

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Looks really great! One thing that I want to know is, when other players see a Bob climbing a wall, espeically on top of the ceiling, will it show them actually upside down related to where they are climbing? Since the veiw does not change, it would be strange to see a bob floating in his upright position near the ceiling.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

He will definitely have his p_model inverted when he's on a ceiling. That code just hasn't been added yet.

DOOManiac

yeah, i'm one of those people who got a little motion sickness playing avp1 (but strangely, not avp 2 at all...). also some games where your screen tilts when you strafe left/right bothers me too.. its ONLY screen tilting, every other type of motion possible is just fine. so wierd... heh

and yeah monse that video is really fun to watch :) Now we need some footage of the marines tearing it up :D

DarthDivi

how come bobs eyes are in his mouth lookin out between his upper and lower jaw? <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->

see looka his eyes are above!!

<img src="http://www.readyroom.org/ns_models/lev1-b_8x6.jpg" border="0">

other than this the video is impressive, tho i also would have liked to see a realistic upside down view, but never mind <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

Commando

Maybe rotating view could be a client side option for players? Ok it would leave some players with a disadvantage but hopefully not much of one...

When you said camcorder the first time I thought you meant doing shakeycam heh.

XTS_Highlander

I really liked the video, but I noticed that the aliens have an icon on their screen that gives them visual indication of where the default command center is.  Will this be in the final version?  I have no idea if it will actually effect gameplay or not, but It seems like they shouldn't have that "sense" so to speak.

Also, will there be the option to turn the icons off (indicating you can climb and all other such newbie things, not things like hivesight) in version 1?  It seems like after a while they might become redundant.

Slycaster

grrr, people, just because yourt HUD is his claws and teeth, inside his mouth, does NOT mean his eyes are there, its just so you can get the feel like you are IN bob.  Games are not realistic in that way, since when do you hold a shotgun at your waist? NEVER.  See my point?

DOOManiac

so did people grip in AVP when the eyes of the alien were inside the mouth? heh

who cares if its not anatomically correct, it looks great, and it stays crunchy, even in milk!

MonsieurEvil

<!--QuoteBegin--XTS_Highlander+June 06 2002,15:56--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (XTS_Highlander @ June 06 2002,15:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I really liked the video, but I noticed that the aliens have an icon on their screen that gives them visual indication of where the default command center is.  Will this be in the final version?  I have no idea if it will actually effect gameplay or not, but It seems like they shouldn't have that "sense" so to speak.

Also, will there be the option to turn the icons off (indicating you can climb and all other such newbie things, not things like hivesight) in version 1?  It seems like after a while they might become redundant.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I actually think having the aliens see the Commander icon (when they within range)is no big deal, and is helpful to newer players.

You will be able to turn off 'helper icons' and messages in the Multiplayer menu, without affecting ability icons like hivesight.

As for the 'view from mouth', that has already been talked to death in another recent thread. I know that statisically, most of you are former CS players, but you need to leave the old 'game realism' prejudices at the door. The model would look really boring if we just had an unanimated alien snout sticking out of the bottom of your screen, right?



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MistahRedrum

Man, why is it so hard for people to grasp some of this games concepts. I much rather sacrifice any "realism" for gameplay in any game. Well, that aside. That movie was great and showcases the great work you guys did on bob and also that view from the mouth is great. It really puts you "inside" bob and how it chops down looks wonderful. Anyway, keep up the good work.

MCThornGristle

Great video, like all of these other sycophants have said...
I didn't find AVP's alien wallclimbing to be disorienting at all - I thought it was actually cool, and the NS "Magnet on yer head" wallclimb is a little dissapointing... Oh well.

Elowind

in my opinion the inverted camera thing (since a few ppl have brought it up) should be an option, it starts off but u can turn it on

also if u note it says
"creating bot" right before it says flaya has joined the game, so that explains why hes 'out of it'

the_stalker

it wont let me play it  <!--emo&:angry:--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'><!--endemo-->

Hida_Tsuzua

It's hard to think like a wall-crawler.  You just aren't used to thinking like Spiderman I guess.

/me notes l337 Bob moves.



<!--EDIT|Hida Tsuzua|June 06 2002,23:12-->

MonsieurEvil

<!--QuoteBegin--the_stalker+June 06 2002,22:30--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (the_stalker @ June 06 2002,22:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->it wont let me play it  <!--emo&:angry:--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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