If You Dont Require Cheating-death On Your Server

Iced_EagleIced_Eagle Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
<div class="IPBDescription">tell us why</div> cheating-death i think is an awesome way for the people who care bout the future of the game... if only counter-strike had this back then.... you can grab your copy of cheating-death (both server and client versions) at <a href='http://unitedadmins.com/cdeath.php' target='_blank'>http://unitedadmins.com/cdeath.php</a>
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  • HtNickoliHtNickoli Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9786Members
    edited April 2003
    lol CD has been around for a long time. AND was used with CS.
  • SnO0PySnO0Py Join Date: 2003-02-27 Member: 14092Members
    CD still dosen't provent hackers. Back in the day when I used to lame, when I used OGC, CD coulden't detect it at all.
  • VadakillVadakill The Almighty BSO Join Date: 2002-04-02 Member: 373Members, NS1 Playtester
    It doesn't DETECT anything. All CD does is occupy the places in HL that a cheat would "hook" into and denies anything else from "hooking". It also authenticates itself via (I believe) a CRC check and authentication key so it can confirm that it hasn't been modified by the local machine's user.

    Read this an be enlightened:
    <a href='http://tx3.us.unitedadmins.com/cdeath-why.php' target='_blank'>http://tx3.us.unitedadmins.com/cdeath-why.php</a>
  • DEADscottDEADscott Join Date: 2003-03-29 Member: 15022Members, Constellation
    edited April 2003
    We dont use it on our server because it dosnt work. Check out the latest cheats, they run from your floppy drive. Download ogc, put it on a floppy, or any other drive besides the one your game runs on, and cd or hlg CAN NOT detect it. But the guys at ogc also say that the aim bot dosnt work well with ns. And who needs a wall hack when its already built into the game. "good idea ns team" The speed hack works, but kinda seems useless in ns and can be spotted. If we found something that worked and worked well we would use it.
  • verboseverbose Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9968Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--{DEAD}scott+Apr 15 2003, 08:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ({DEAD}scott @ Apr 15 2003, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We dont use it on our server because it dosnt work. Check out the latest cheats, they run from your floppy drive. Download ogc, put it on a floppy, or any other drive besides the one your game runs on, and cd or hlg CAN NOT detect it. But the guys at ogc also say that the aim bot dosnt work well with ns. And who needs a wall hack when its already built into the game. "good idea ns team"  The speed hack works, but kinda seems useless in ns and can be spotted. If we found something that worked and worked well we would use it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Did you verify this yourself, or just operate on hearsay? CD also doesn't detect cheats, it just blocks them from hooking into HL, or feeds them bad data. I think it's best said by one of the more well known cheat sites:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->UnKnoWnMasTeR - 4/10/2003 8:59:52 PM

    CD Now Detects Very simple hack (UA ABM),.. so dont use it anymore.. There are no working public CD hack at the moment.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • ByekaByeka Name changed from Freak83 Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
    I like seeing the others have a [NO C-D] tag infront of their name and mine doesn't <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • DEADscottDEADscott Join Date: 2003-03-29 Member: 15022Members, Constellation
    edited April 2003
    Well I just tested it on a cd server. Undetected. Yes the very good hack sites are very easy to find. I tried to attach the readme from the hack here but it wouldnt work, so ill paste parts of it:


    Read all of this file before using the cheat!

    This cheat is NO LONGER based on the #### base. So don't
    even bother asking about it. I still use the loader that I
    used with ####'s base. But, all loaders are alike.

    The "elite" of you could use and OGC loader!

    Also, in short... press F12 when the first round starts
    to activate the cheat. That's all!

    ## Features :
    ## ------------
    ## - Aimbot
    ## - Menu
    ## - ESP
    ## - bypasses the HLG WH BLOCK !
    ## - bypasses current VAC !
    ## - bypasses the Cheater LOG SCREENSHOT!
    ## - bypasses C-D!
    ## - and some misc stuff

    NOTE:Deleted some names
  • TechwidTechwid Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8440Members, Constellation
    edited April 2003
    Cheating-Death currently blocks all known cheats, it hooks the client and since only one program can hook the client it prevents others from doing so. It has a confirmation check between it and the server, which is updated every full new update (not a fix to a previous but a new update). It also creates the least amount of lag between server and client since the server isn't having to scan or check several things. However, people are lazy and don't like to start C-D (not to mention if VAC is enabled and you try to use C-D it closes your game). It however can't check for config/alias hacks, which wwcl or HLgaurd (with only config hacks detecting on) is good for.

    It IS the best anti-cheat for half-life based games at the moment, but due laziness it is no very popular. UA realizes this and has a small snipet on their site talking about a project called phoenix which be implemented into the mod and turned on by the client (I'm assuming like Q3 or sof2 with punkbuster). Hopefully this will catch on and cheating can become less and less popular.

    Also to the person talking about running OGC from a floppy, I think you believed an idiot who told you this. CD doesn't detect cheats, simply prevents them from working. Also OGC is fairly large, looking at the source I remember a vast directory of code. I highly doubt that would fit on your floppy. However it wouldn't matter where it was loaded from for CD to detect.

    EDIT: Just saw the person above mines post, I got my info from UA.com so if you are incorrect they are the source of whom is wrong.
  • DEADscottDEADscott Join Date: 2003-03-29 Member: 15022Members, Constellation
    edited April 2003
    I would love NS to be cheat free. Cheats are the reason our clan dosn't play CS anymore. Our server and our clan will do anything to help prevent cheats from destroying NS. But like I said CD dosn't work. Email me and I will send you the link to my info. We feel that CD at this point gives a false sence of security to players that hinders detection of some cheats. If it worked we would use it. This subject has been beaten to death on this and many other forums. Valve seems to see the destuctive force of cheats on the game and seems to be working hard to correct this. Until that time its is up to us to watch for and report cheats and cheating players. Get a true working ver. of CD and I will install it on our server today.

    ADDED: Total size of this hack is 257KB [263,977 bytes]
  • verboseverbose Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9968Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--{DEAD}scott+Apr 15 2003, 08:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ({DEAD}scott @ Apr 15 2003, 08:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well I just tested it on a cd server. Undetected. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But CD doesn't detect cheats. It just stops them from working correctly. Did the cheat work at all? Wallhack, aimbot, etc.?
  • DEADscottDEADscott Join Date: 2003-03-29 Member: 15022Members, Constellation
    I didnt use it, and uninstalled it. I just ran around for 5 minutes. Ill check now.
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    according to the CD website what the program aims to do is feed cheats bad information. for example, if CD detects that someone is through the wall from you it will place them instead behind you. this means that any wallhack that should draw clear walls will still work but you wont be able to get any pertinent information out of it.

    whereas other anti-cheats stop each particular cheat one at a time, this one prevents a whole class of them from operating properly at all!

    all hail CD! also, you can set The All-Seeing Eye to automatically run an executable upon game-start and close it on game-end. so i am always running CD and never worry about the hassle of starting/stopping this lil app.
  • DEADscottDEADscott Join Date: 2003-03-29 Member: 15022Members, Constellation
    edited April 2003
    It looks like I was wrong about this. I wanted to test this under controled and recorded conditions. I installed CD 2.8 on our server and my local machine. 2 other clan members joined and we tried to get our hltv server to record the test. But I couldnt get it to run under CD. The wall hack looks like it works, but when ducking behind objects and rising the target seems to be in the wrong place. The aim bot dosn't seem to work well, but with my eyes closed and targets running around in marine base, the bullets do track the targets, just not to accurately. But the speed hack seems to work fine both as Aliens and Marines. The ESP functions just garble the sceen to an unplayable level. All in all it pretty much disabled the hack that I thought worked with CD. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We will have to rethink our position on CD.
  • mstrmstr Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13507Members
    edited April 2003
    If you know a cheat that works and have tested it to work, come to #cheating-death @ gamesnet, and tell us about it. It will be fixed quickly. At the moment of writing this, only hack that works (afaik) is some external antirecoil. Not very useful for NS.

    @{DEAD}scott: C-D shouldn't auth with joolzcheat. Which versions did you run?
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    I don't think it will be needed. If it gets out of hand, then I may start putting it up.
  • telemanntelemann Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7621Members
    To put it bluntly: The argument "One should not use CD because it does not block all cheats" is silly. It seems to me that if it blocks ANY cheats then it is a step in the right direction (unless of course you don't want to block cheats, in which case why are you even reading this.)

    By the very nature of how networked games work it is easier to create cheats then it is to detect and block them. This does NOT mean that attempting to detect and block them is futile. I personally operate my server on a zero-tolerance no-cheating policy. Cheaters occupy the same space in my moral fiber hierarchy as people who produce child pornography: people who should be punished severely, looked down upon, and strictly prevented from ever doing it again.

    Personally, I would have installed CD on my dedicated server already if the [No C-D] name tags weren't so frigging annoying. I would like them to be configurable, or at least moved to the end of the username rather than the beginning. Truth be told I’ll probably install it anyway, but I still would love this to be changed.
  • Jim_has_SkillzJim_has_Skillz Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12475Members, Constellation
    The reason why I don't put C-D on my server is like this statement....

    If you had a baseball team, but had no members, why would u hire someone to check the bats to see if they had corks in them.

    If you don't know what I am saying then you aren't one of the hundreds of server operators with empty servers. CD isn't going to help u get more ppl to come to your server. It would be good for a VERY popular server cuz it would lessen the wait time for getting in and would stop some cheats. (Like the h2o servers)
  • HoundDawgHoundDawg Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3362Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jim has Skillz+Apr 16 2003, 02:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jim has Skillz @ Apr 16 2003, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The reason why I don't put C-D on my server is like this statement....

    If you had a baseball team, but had no members, why would u hire someone to check the bats to see if they had corks in them.

    If you don't know what I am saying then you aren't one of the hundreds of server operators with empty servers. CD isn't going to help u get more ppl to come to your server. It would be good for a VERY popular server cuz it would lessen the wait time for getting in and would stop some cheats. (Like the h2o servers) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you have empty servers to start with, you can't blame C-D for that. If you do have semi to full servers with a good set of regulars, you could implement a phased in approach of C-D like many other admins have done in the past months.

    For example, you would run C-D in optional mode for 1-2 weeks encouraging everyone to get it installed. Then, you would flip the switch to required. During the optional mode, you could see who has C-D and who doesn't and talk with them about getting it installed.

    I think that your regulars will see the benefit of C-D after awhile. But, yeah a 1-2 week phase approach would help keep your server full. You could extend it to 2-4 if you want too.
  • DEADscottDEADscott Join Date: 2003-03-29 Member: 15022Members, Constellation
    We have just added C-D V 2.8.0 to our server. 198.247.231:27019, DEADCLAN'S GRAVEYARD. It is optional now and will become manditory in 7 days. Thanks for the heads-up NS community!
  • BrutusBrutus Join Date: 2002-10-20 Member: 1555Members
    I don't use it, because I don't like third party, client and server side anti-cheat tools. Good admins on all the time is better than an anti-cheat program.

    Besides VAC should be implimented soon, and I think it will be a better solution.
  • HoundDawgHoundDawg Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3362Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Brutus+Apr 19 2003, 07:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Apr 19 2003, 07:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't use it, because I don't like third party, client and server side anti-cheat tools. Good admins on all the time is better than an anti-cheat program.

    Besides VAC should be implimented soon, and I think it will be a better solution. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What are you doing running NS then? It's a 3rd party MOD. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Anyway, you obviously don't have much experience with C-D and VAC to be making such comments. Yes, we would all love it if VAC did the job it was meant to. Simply put, it's aproach is different and has been doing nothing but causing issues and opening itself up to easily being worked around by cheat coders.

    Meanwhile, many cheat coders have given up on battling with C-D, including Joolz. Others, like OGC coders have been just making foolz of themselves by posting lame and arrogant comments in their news, which only make them look worse than they really are.

    So, until VAC greatly improves and rethinks their anti-cheat implementation policy, it'll continue to fail as a viable anti-cheat solution.
  • EnemyWithinEnemyWithin Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5572Members
    I just added C-D to my server. GJ United Admins!
  • verboseverbose Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9968Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Brutus+Apr 19 2003, 09:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Apr 19 2003, 09:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Good admins on all the time is better than an anti-cheat program.

    Besides VAC should be implimented soon, and I think it will be a better solution.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    CD compliments good admins; it does not replace them.

    VAC's track record is...poor, to avoid inflammatory words. My regular CS server recently abandoned VAC and installed CD+mediator. Game quality went up, cheating accusations fell through the floor. Some regulars also showed a noticeable drop in skill...

    <a href='http://www.unitedadmins.com/cdeath-why.php' target='_blank'>http://www.unitedadmins.com/cdeath-why.php</a> says it all. If anyone hasn't read it yet, set aside a few minutes and do so.
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    So basically, instead of kickban upon detection, C-D skips the detection part and just makes aimbot a badaim-bot, and wallhack gives misleading information? And such.
  • TechwidTechwid Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8440Members, Constellation
    Gives no information or bad information.
  • BrutusBrutus Join Date: 2002-10-20 Member: 1555Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--HoundDawg+Apr 19 2003, 09:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (HoundDawg @ Apr 19 2003, 09:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [QUOTE]
    What are you doing running NS then? It's a 3rd party MOD. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Anyway, you obviously don't have much experience with C-D and VAC to be making such comments. Yes, we would all love it if VAC did the job it was meant to. Simply put, it's aproach is different and has been doing nothing but causing issues and opening itself up to easily being worked around by cheat coders.

    Meanwhile, many cheat coders have given up on battling with C-D, including Joolz. Others, like OGC coders have been just making foolz of themselves by posting lame and arrogant comments in their news, which only make them look worse than they really are.

    So, until VAC greatly improves and rethinks their anti-cheat implementation policy, it'll continue to fail as a viable anti-cheat solution. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I am sorry, I thought it was obvious that I was not talking about mods. I'll try to make it clearer next time.

    I know a lot about VAC and CD. I am hoping that VAC will work properly in the future. No need for you to come here and act like an ****, because I don't use your anti-cheat tool. I simply answered the question, don't assume that I don't understand the issue.
  • BrutusBrutus Join Date: 2002-10-20 Member: 1555Members
    I just did a search for cheats that bypass CD, and I found some. Didn't check them all. I would post the link, but that would be kind of stupid. I'll PM you the link Hounddawg, and you can check them out and let us know if they work.
  • TechwidTechwid Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8440Members, Constellation
    When checking them remember that it doesn't detect you just makes the cheat not work so make sure you modify your tests with that in mind.

    Supposably the only thing that is getting past CD right now is hacked configs like no recoil and such.
  • BrutusBrutus Join Date: 2002-10-20 Member: 1555Members
    I am not going to download it or test it. I'll leave that to dawg.
  • HoundDawgHoundDawg Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3362Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Brutus+Apr 19 2003, 02:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Apr 19 2003, 02:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just did a search for cheats that bypass CD, and I found some. Didn't check them all. I would post the link, but that would be kind of stupid. I'll PM you the link Hounddawg, and you can check them out and let us know if they work. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Most of the ones that say they do, they *DID* at one time. Most cheats that bypass C-D don't last very long anymore. We're still improving C-D by adding new blocking techniques for various specialized cheats, like the norecoil cheats. In fact, C-D is in beta testing now for the norecoil blocking.

    In your search, did you happen to notice all those that were VAC proof? Do a comparison on those that bypass. You'll notice quite a few more still bypass VAC. C-D is updated a lot more frequently than VAC too, even with their latest releases after a few month dry spell.

    But, if you're holding back for VAC, that's your choice. But, if you really believe that VAC is better than C-D (a third party solution), you should spend a little more time in your research. I wouldn't have replied until you posted your insinuendo that VAC was a better choice. Hopefully, it will someday. But, currently it doesn't.
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