<!--QuoteBegin--amckern+Apr 15 2003, 11:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (amckern @ Apr 15 2003, 11:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hey, oilJ, why is edan classed as a level 3? i would like to know so i can fix it up
amckern <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The hive placement, hive to hive distances and large open areas... are against any mapping guideline. -> unserious. There are lots of visual bugs (at some places rocks are missing (skybox on sides) some places have a nice atmosphere most have NONE!, half the map looks boring/monotone andcubic), some lights look wrong (vents and outside areas brighter than rooms), missing alien hiding places, all over tere are too many optical and gameplay bugs. One hive location (with one entrance and one parallel vent) has the name "This hive will be changed..." and i soo much agree with that idea. When half of the map has a nice atmosphere while the other half looks cubic and straight wouldnt you say this really needs improvement? The status (not level) just says how completed/improveable this map is, it does NOT rate the quality or fun of the map. my actual version is ns_edan_v1.
<!--QuoteBegin--Mouse+Apr 16 2003, 06:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mouse @ Apr 16 2003, 06:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also wouldn't mind knowing why hydrosity got a 3 <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think this map has a "strategical inballance" that kills the gameplay if only everyone knows about that inballance and rushes the same places all the time. (Like ns_nothing Cargo hive - you MUST have cargo hive and you have half won - thats just boring and thats why this is an "official 3" map).
And because I KNOW the next version will have mayor changes in places that need them (especially in the NorthEast hive) and all this changes seem to make the map look and play much better!
- - Mini reviews need more time to write, mote time to load the site and make more enemies. I liked to a forum thread for this map if i found it wich is a better way of review. ok, maybe just if there is no forum thread, ill quote some ppl without their names.
<a href='http://www.df5jz.de/Ollj/allNSmaps/allNSmaps.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.df5jz.de/Ollj/allNSmaps/allNSmaps.htm</a> has new maps and most download links working.
<!--QuoteBegin--PRIMER++Apr 17 2003, 03:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PRIMER @ +Apr 17 2003, 03:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Do people have minimaps for some of those maps, or am I just missing them? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not all of them come with minimaps for whatever reason.
Updated ns_freefall_b7 to b8 download. Added download for ns_nuke64 to my site. (Lt. Buster emailed me the map so i am hosting it)
That link doesn't work <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well, this won't be stickied for sure. The map opinions are of one person, and with just a number to define, it's really useless. If they all had full blown write ups explainging why some are so "bad", I might sticky it. But it seems like one bad spot in a map, and you give it a 3, when it's easily one of the best maps there. Sorry to say, but the reason for these ratings is as well thought out as Micheal Jacksons minds. (yes, plural)
It's a good spot for map downloads, but the opinions just ruin it and turn people away without reason.
<!--QuoteBegin--Comprox+Apr 17 2003, 10:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Comprox @ Apr 17 2003, 10:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, this won't be stickied for sure. The map opinions are of one person, and with just a number to define, it's really useless. If they all had full blown write ups explainging why some are so "bad", I might sticky it. But it seems like one bad spot in a map, and you give it a 3, when it's easily one of the best maps there. Sorry to say, but the reason for these ratings is as well thought out as Micheal Jacksons minds. (yes, plural)
It's a good spot for map downloads, but the opinions just ruin it and turn people away without reason. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You see, Ollj ruined my thread <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->. I don't rate the maps, or post comments about them. I just wanted to provide everyone with downloads.
KungFuSquirrelBasher of MuttonsJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Indeed, and that's fine - a great resource, in fact. I wouldn't be opposed to a variation of that list being stickied, whereas numbered 'reviews' that are bound to **** more people off than find use from them are not something that the NS team and these forums should be associated with.
<!--QuoteBegin--KungFuSquirrel+Apr 17 2003, 11:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ Apr 17 2003, 11:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Indeed, and that's fine - a great resource, in fact. I wouldn't be opposed to a variation of that list being stickied, whereas numbered 'reviews' that are bound to **** more people off than find use from them are not something that the NS team and these forums should be associated with. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Then remove all of Ollj's posts about his rating system and put them somewhere else. Then this could be stickied.
Ok I will remove the "unserious/serious" label and the Status numbers, wich are no rating ffs!. There is just a difference between a playable and ballanced map and a map that is not.
Instead I will add comments (not in the jpg) like: "2 hives missing", "includes doublesiege spot", "resources imballanced", "this door/trigger is buggy", "xx% of the map are wide open spaces" and general important "map specific strategies". The B label for "buggy" will stay.
I will add mini-minimaps-pictures to the mini-pictures too.
MouseThe Lighter Side of PessimismJoin Date: 2002-03-02Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
Ollj, life would be easier for everyone if you just started a new thread for your map ratings. Because all you've done so far is hijacked a very useful thread for your own stuff.
Eliteguard was not the first who posted a "all ... maps" thread for NS. I just dont like the idea of starting a new thread that already exists. Now if I make an own thread would it get sticky then (because this one wont?) ? My allNSmapsHP is a few days older than Eliteguards. Hijacking and hitchhiking all over. when you klick the refresh button on my HP you might notice that ive blurred away all the "unserious" parts as a temporal fix. This puts every map on the same neutal level as de_dust for ns.
I will now add secret votings... no, not by the picture quality, thats too simple.... If i carry a knfe or am a skulk this map sux, if its a HMG/fade it ownz. If im a HA/skulk this map is tiny, its i have a JP/lerk the map is huge. If im in comm mode the texturing sux, if im a gorge the hives are imballanced Also look at my health and ammo/stamina wich is the best indicator for the maps quality. If you really believed the crap of this collumn you need to get a life! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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-i'll put ns_leap_beta2 on the DO NOT USE list.
amckern
amckern <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The hive placement, hive to hive distances and large open areas... are against any mapping guideline. -> unserious.
There are lots of visual bugs (at some places rocks are missing (skybox on sides) some places have a nice atmosphere most have NONE!, half the map looks boring/monotone andcubic), some lights look wrong (vents and outside areas brighter than rooms), missing alien hiding places, all over tere are too many optical and gameplay bugs.
One hive location (with one entrance and one parallel vent) has the name "This hive will be changed..." and i soo much agree with that idea.
When half of the map has a nice atmosphere while the other half looks cubic and straight wouldnt you say this really needs improvement?
The status (not level) just says how completed/improveable this map is, it does NOT rate the quality or fun of the map.
my actual version is ns_edan_v1.
[EDIT] I have a feeling 'Why did ns_* get *?' will become a popular question, you may want to include a mini review for each map, just a suggestion..
I think this map has a "strategical inballance" that kills the gameplay if only everyone knows about that inballance and rushes the same places all the time.
(Like ns_nothing Cargo hive - you MUST have cargo hive and you have half won - thats just boring and thats why this is an "official 3" map).
And because I KNOW the next version will have mayor changes in places that need them (especially in the NorthEast hive) and all this changes seem to make the map look and play much better!
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Mini reviews need more time to write, mote time to load the site and make more enemies.
I liked to a forum thread for this map if i found it wich is a better way of review.
ok, maybe just if there is no forum thread, ill quote some ppl without their names.
amckern
Updated 'ns_freefall_b6' to b7 download.
make a lan game
enter developer 1 in console
enter buildminimap in console
when the progress bar is done, the mini map is built
amckern
Not all of them come with minimaps for whatever reason.
Updated ns_freefall_b7 to b8 download.
Added download for ns_nuke64 to my site. (Lt. Buster emailed me the map so i am hosting it)
<a href='http://www.dlclan.net/downloads/nsmaps/NS_G4B2S_MC_Beta7.zip' target='_blank'>Update</a>
<a href='http://www.dlclan.net/stuff/downloads/nsmaps/ns_g4b2s_mc_beta7.zip' target='_blank'>Update</a>
It's a good spot for map downloads, but the opinions just ruin it and turn people away without reason.
It's a good spot for map downloads, but the opinions just ruin it and turn people away without reason. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You see, Ollj ruined my thread <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->. I don't rate the maps, or post comments about them. I just wanted to provide everyone with downloads.
Then remove all of Ollj's posts about his rating system and put them somewhere else. Then this could be stickied.
Updated 'ns_freefall_b8' to b9 download.
There is just a difference between a playable and ballanced map and a map that is not.
Instead I will add comments (not in the jpg) like: "2 hives missing", "includes doublesiege spot", "resources imballanced", "this door/trigger is buggy", "xx% of the map are wide open spaces" and general important "map specific strategies".
The B label for "buggy" will stay.
I will add mini-minimaps-pictures to the mini-pictures too.
I just dont like the idea of starting a new thread that already exists.
Now if I make an own thread would it get sticky then (because this one wont?) ?
My allNSmapsHP is a few days older than Eliteguards.
Hijacking and hitchhiking all over.
when you klick the refresh button on my HP you might notice that ive blurred away all the "unserious" parts as a temporal fix.
This puts every map on the same neutal level as de_dust for ns.
I will now add secret votings... no, not by the picture quality, thats too simple....
If i carry a knfe or am a skulk this map sux, if its a HMG/fade it ownz.
If im a HA/skulk this map is tiny, its i have a JP/lerk the map is huge.
If im in comm mode the texturing sux, if im a gorge the hives are imballanced
Also look at my health and ammo/stamina wich is the best indicator for the maps quality.
If you really believed the crap of this collumn you need to get a life! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Added map 'ns_rockworld_b3' to list.
Both of these maps con be downloaded at my <a href='http://members.lycos.co.uk/eliteguard' target='_blank'>site</a>.