ghosts arent basic troops thought. you just went from one problem and into another. you could do civilians with guns for LA and reg marine for HA. Thats the only way you can keep is real. Unless someone wants to make a mock golaith form HA.
As I said before, this has been discussed. Half of us are against is because of that, the other half don't care if they are advanced troops since they look so secksy.
like i siad alot of poeple just want to do a half job id rather do it right the first time around. Just cause you like ghosts doesnt mean the LA marine shoudl be one. Its like saying i like onos so ill make all skulks onos so i can play an ono WHO CARES IF IT DOESNT MAKE SENCE WEEEEEE!!!!!!
There's a size issue with that, not to mention an onos w/ leap and xeno, that's rediculous. I guess I can understand it being a big deal since as you said before you're a hardcore sc fan, but I myself wouldn't be bothered much. If someone makes a Ghost, I'll be grateful enough and use it so I don't have a TSA HA walking around in my SC world, ya know?
Personally i think a bulkier armored marine would work well for HA. Maybe take a little liberty with the SC stuff and make up your own design but keep it in the style of the SC marine.
I've looked over most of the arguments for what to do about the Marine model being better for the HA, and I'll have to agree...
The Marines have always looked badass in their gear, as well as everyhting else in Starcraft. The problem is that the Marines are already quite massive in comparison to a regular human without the gear. That's what we've looked over, whether to use Ghosts, which are specialised units for stealth missions, or use civilians (which seems to be the more logical approach).
The other problem was that of perhaps using a Goliath as the HA. It would seem a bit off to have a 7 foot tall goliath slowly walking down a hallway with a bunch of heavily armored marines in tow. That's why I suggest this...
For the regular soldiers, we first make a GOOD civilian model. Then, if there are a lot of people out there who want it, we get a good Ghost model going. We then use the Marine as the HA, since they seem to go hand-in-hand. Who would want to have something looking so badass and buffed up die in two bites since it's used as a regular soldier.
I think the Goliath idea was a good concept, but, it's just not that feesable in the idea that to be technical, they're what, twenty feet tall or so? And also use to guns that are shoulder mounted, and that would be intresting to animate in.
I also think that the Marine model we have now is good, but there could be some more detail to it. We've got good skins going, but some parts of the model itself could use some sprucing.
And so ends my rant on what I think we (that means not me, but the modelers out there) should think about.
all acuracy aside, i like the idea of a ghost as LM, and what we have now as HM...
i know some peole are VERY passionate about acuracy... but this is something i've figured out... if it's not you modeling it, your passion doesn't mean anything more than a few more posts on your counter....
as for the order of release, what the modeler does is what matters.... as for the order of release, what the modeler does is what matters.... (repeted for emphasis)
There's really only two reasons why I setup the Marine as the LA. You see, the HA bones do not have a bone for the head. I liked how it looked with the visor up and didn't really want to loose the head but with no head bone, the head would just be stiff and it looked kinda funny. The second reason is that you can use the soldier mdl as your HA by just renaming it and it'll work fine.
Using the LA's bones just gave me more options; it didn't really have anything to do with how it was in SC. However, there are a few bonuses to using the HA bones. Fist is that it'll be about 300 polys less with the head and faces inside the helm gone. The animations fit a little better also as does the size.
I haven't really started on the firebat yet and since I am re-releasing the marine I <i>could</i> rig him on the HA and see what I can do about a ghost. Maybe I should make a poll?
Here's a snippet of his above post: "I haven't really started on the firebat yet and since I am re-releasing the marine I could rig him on the HA and see what I can do about a ghost. Maybe I should make a poll?"
It sounds like he's thinking of scrapping the entire HA Firebat project. I hope I'm wrong
<!--QuoteBegin--NightCrawler.+Apr 18 2003, 12:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NightCrawler. @ Apr 18 2003, 12:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> encrypted zero that doesnt fit. usein a fire bat as ha would be dumb. a larger bulkyier marine would work i guess. but a fire bat = no they are bulky because they use a flame thrower. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Welp I'm getting personal and very insulted, I suggested an idea which you put down and requested for what "you" want. Maybe some ppl don't agree. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
Have you ever played starcraft or read any of the novels? and maybe some people do. Its up to the modler. He could make the starcraft marine a fluffy bunny and theres nothing you or i could do about it. Im trying to find other ways of doing it while stiking to the universe.
Instead of acting scared and making personal attacks challange me by collecting your evidence and presenting it. if you prove me wrong i will accept it. You poeple abviously dont know what a debate is. Look back. im not insulting anyone, i am stating my point of veiw and then using evidence to back it up. That isnt called flaming its called a disscussion.
thats an opinion. These forums arent use to level playing feild in which everyone presents there evidince and debates what is best. The disscussions here are more like a dictatorship. everyone just listens to the Prominent forum goers, even if they are wrong. Everyone just accepts they must be right because theyve been here longer.
saying <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Brush up on your social skills...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly. He could make it a fluffy bunny and you couldn't do anything about it. Whining and complaining isn't going to accomplish anything, and we're telling you to shut your pie hole about it already. Take a hint.
This was a flame brought to you by the department of immolation.
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No, the regular forum goers aren't the people being listened to. It's the people who get off their lazy **** and do something besides moan and groan. That isn't you, if you're having trouble putting two and two together.
I'm not going to debate a moot point with some fool. Because you'll drag me down to your level and kick my **** with experience. Seriously, drop it already before you get this thread locked.
Edit: so when is that awsome skin goign to be released? I also love the fact that there are 2 differnt colors that spawn in game. Indeed that is my favorite part. Cherry or Blueberry mmmmmm..... tasty marines
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If i could have one request though, how bout closing the helmet, so theres no face showing, and seeing what that looks like.
you end up dling both and can choose what one you'd like.
i use this model and love it!
The Marines have always looked badass in their gear, as well as everyhting else in Starcraft. The problem is that the Marines are already quite massive in comparison to a regular human without the gear. That's what we've looked over, whether to use Ghosts, which are specialised units for stealth missions, or use civilians (which seems to be the more logical approach).
The other problem was that of perhaps using a Goliath as the HA. It would seem a bit off to have a 7 foot tall goliath slowly walking down a hallway with a bunch of heavily armored marines in tow. That's why I suggest this...
For the regular soldiers, we first make a GOOD civilian model. Then, if there are a lot of people out there who want it, we get a good Ghost model going. We then use the Marine as the HA, since they seem to go hand-in-hand. Who would want to have something looking so badass and buffed up die in two bites since it's used as a regular soldier.
I think the Goliath idea was a good concept, but, it's just not that feesable in the idea that to be technical, they're what, twenty feet tall or so? And also use to guns that are shoulder mounted, and that would be intresting to animate in.
I also think that the Marine model we have now is good, but there could be some more detail to it. We've got good skins going, but some parts of the model itself could use some sprucing.
And so ends my rant on what I think we (that means not me, but the modelers out there) should think about.
i know some peole are VERY passionate about acuracy... but this is something i've figured out... if it's not you modeling it, your passion doesn't mean anything more than a few more posts on your counter....
as for the order of release, what the modeler does is what matters....
as for the order of release, what the modeler does is what matters....
(repeted for emphasis)
Using the LA's bones just gave me more options; it didn't really have anything to do with how it was in SC. However, there are a few bonuses to using the HA bones. Fist is that it'll be about 300 polys less with the head and faces inside the helm gone. The animations fit a little better also as does the size.
I haven't really started on the firebat yet and since I am re-releasing the marine I <i>could</i> rig him on the HA and see what I can do about a ghost. Maybe I should make a poll?
The modellers are making it for themselves, as far as I can see..
(Until I find out they are getting paid I will asume this.)
If you aint making it, yo have no real opinion here..
Edit: The one with the helmet down looks great, if that saves a few hundred polys, I'd go with that...
"I haven't really started on the firebat yet and since I am re-releasing the marine I could rig him on the HA and see what I can do about a ghost. Maybe I should make a poll?"
It sounds like he's thinking of scrapping the entire HA Firebat project. I hope I'm wrong
I reckon we let Unleet decide.
It's his model.
He's done a class model, a fab skin is on the way, you can colour it in as you like, you can rename it to whatever model you fancy, go with it.
Chill....
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Welp I'm getting personal and very insulted, I suggested an idea which you put down and requested for what "you" want. Maybe some ppl don't agree. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
Instead of acting scared and making personal attacks challange me by collecting your evidence and presenting it. if you prove me wrong i will accept it. You poeple abviously dont know what a debate is. Look back. im not insulting anyone, i am stating my point of veiw and then using evidence to back it up. That isnt called flaming its called a disscussion.
^ That isn't a flame, that's a fact. ^
saying <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Brush up on your social skills...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is a personal attack.
This was a flame brought to you by the department of immolation.
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No, the regular forum goers aren't the people being listened to. It's the people who get off their lazy **** and do something besides moan and groan. That isn't you, if you're having trouble putting two and two together.
Edit: so when is that awsome skin goign to be released? I also love the fact that there are 2 differnt colors that spawn in game. Indeed that is my favorite part. Cherry or Blueberry mmmmmm..... tasty marines