i was admin on a server the other day playing ns_simulated. i was a lerk and i went 20/3 or so. the only times i died were from one player. he was the only one to kill me ever. at first, i thought he was cheatingn and it certainly seemed that way. i decided to ignore it, as he may just be good. i did not want to kick him as he would just think it was because he was the only one who killed me.
i also saw a "speed hack" as my mate put it. a skulk was jumping about all over the place (map ns_siege005) the skulk could get from one end of the big hall nr marine start right to the other in a few seconds. it wasnt leap cos it was silent and he did it continuosly without resting. he would jump off the wall, hit the ground, run for a bit, jump and land on the other wall. i could not even get a bullet to hit him with my hmg (and i <b>can</b> aim)
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Sounds more like the impulse-leap problem than a speed hack. In that situation you would be able to spot the speedhack quite easily by watching the rate of descent. That hack speeds up every action of the player, including the rate at which they fall. If the guy was going 8x normal speed, he would also be falling down from his jumps at 8x speed. Which would be blindingly obvious.
Cheating is because some people just have issues. On the flip side, lots of people who have issues accuse anyone better than them of cheating.
A side note: people have been banned from Magic: The Gathering officially sanctioned tournaments for <b>assault.</b> WTH.
Some people just can't deal with losing. They may cheat, they may **** their **** off saying the other guy cheats.
Or they'll go play EQ or Tram-UO or some other game where you can't lose.
Eh, though, from a more balanced view, some people just find it fun. I've seen my friends, some of who have m@d skillz to start with (we're talking CPL qualifiers), cheat just because they find it fun to try to conceal it. It's a whole new challenge to them.
<!--QuoteBegin--Ollj+Apr 6 2003, 05:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Apr 6 2003, 05:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Real men dont need high FPS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> eh.. I like this <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I've never had more than 20FPS.
And about cheaters , I hate when I meet some of them . I'm not a very good NS player and when I get killed by a good player I don't mind . But those who have what they call 'skill' . That ruins the game , sometimes marines kill me from a huge distance with only 2 shots of LMG .... and i know that they'll never have suspected that i was there. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Ollj+Apr 6 2003, 05:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Apr 6 2003, 05:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My last 5 games on Voogru (forces model consistency) were ruined by cheaters. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I dont have time to go thru the demos, but could you give me the names they used?
Personal, i never have used cheats on ANY game and never will. I Just dont understand why people cheat?? whats the fun in walking around and clicking mouse1 WHERE IS THE " "elite" " skill witch all these cheats think they have? do they have and ball's realy? the whole point of playing a game for me, is trying too beat my opponents through skill hence why i play online alot, because there so meany good people out there there is like a 1 in 5000 chance you are the best. cheating takes the whole element of learning from mistakes and having fun. can anyone here actualy tell me one point in cheating? A) it ruins the game B) i takes no skill C) it wouldnt be fun
Imagine the cheater like an old guy, lying on the bed in hospital. He's connected to all kinds of hoses and machines. Turn off the electricity and puff. He's gone.
Oh.. I hate cheaters... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
You know, you should give credit to the creater of the quote you have in your sig <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Sorry for getting off topic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Ollj: whith your 3rd way to tell if someone is using an aim bot (them getting full ammo etc) that sounds like me. and i dont think i use an aim bot im rather good and stay alive for a long time so need ammo 300bullets is very often not enough at the begining of a round to kill the skulks
Well, i never cheat but i always stuff myself with ammo.
I'm not the best at grunting but i can sometimes stay alive long enough (with luck or with crappy aliens) that i use all of my ammo.
And i remember a few times, i and some player defended a resource node in ns_eclipse. We had motion tracking and could see all the aliens approaching. So we stayed alive, killed some dozen aliens and eventually ran out of ammo.
Anyway, good job with the cheating demo... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
"When you rush all the time without diing much BUT without armoury humping you have no aimbot - aimbot users always want full ammo and they beg for it really hard !!!"
Its not hard to go solo and run off somewhere. A skulk apears. You shoot it, it dies. Another one apears, you shoot it, it dies. See, to overcome these solo rushers you must work as a team. Second of all don't call people who fill up full to 50/250 and request ammo every so often because to me, 250 ammo will only give me 4 dead skulks and I can overcome skulks easily when they are alone. It's just some people are better than others. Now if you see a JP who is flying everywhere aiming at one spot, then you can call him a hacker.
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You know what I wish for sometimes? A 'hack' that could let me be invincible to one specific player, so whenever we see a cheater, we can all turn on the invincibility and eventually the cheater will leave. Obviously this takes a lot of maturity to not abuse.
I've seen accusations fly (and nearly fists) because someone considers something someone else did to be cheating or wrong or unfair at a LAN, so I'm happy that there's a lot of distance between hotheaded players....
How can people think others cheat during LANs!?!??!? just frekin watch over the shoulder of the person. I had a crowd going, every other kill i would here "No way!" and another person would be added to the crowd behind me... no problems <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Charge+Apr 7 2003, 06:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Charge @ Apr 7 2003, 06:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> jeepers is on the LD clan... you can see on the first demo "[LD] .something. changed name to jeepers" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Remember, that doesn't mean that he was for certain in the LP clan!
Llamas who like to ruin others games (ussually by cheating) just love to give a good clan a bad reputation for cheating by adding any old clan tag onto their name while they blatently cheat away...
I had it happen to my old clan once... the damn cheater changed his ENTIRE name to someone in our clan who owned him... Our clan got so much crap for that that they decided to keep a record on their site of all clanmembers WONIDs so they could easily check up on incidents where cheaters are reported as being in the team...
I think everyone here can stand to relax juuuuuuussssstttt a bit.
If you find a new cheat:
email valve: erics@valvesoftware.com IRC United Admins: #cheating-death (on irc.gamesnet.net) email United Admins: info@unitedadmins.com Forum United Admins: <a href='http://forums.unitedadmins.com/index.php?act=SF&f=170' target='_blank'>CD Forums</a>
Just remember that likely they already know about it long before you do, so if they don't respond, don't take it like they aren't acting on it. They get 50,000 emails a day from each of you folks sending along the same cheat as 49,999 others, thinking you are a beautiful, unique snowflake...
Just like with all the bugs you post in this forum that we already knew about... >_<
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i also saw a "speed hack" as my mate put it. a skulk was jumping about all over the place (map ns_siege005) the skulk could get from one end of the big hall nr marine start right to the other in a few seconds. it wasnt leap cos it was silent and he did it continuosly without resting. he would jump off the wall, hit the ground, run for a bit, jump and land on the other wall. i could not even get a bullet to hit him with my hmg (and i <b>can</b> aim)
i also saw a "speed hack" as my mate put it. a skulk was jumping about all over the place (map ns_siege005) the skulk could get from one end of the big hall nr marine start right to the other in a few seconds. it wasnt leap cos it was silent and he did it continuosly without resting. he would jump off the wall, hit the ground, run for a bit, jump and land on the other wall. i could not even get a bullet to hit him with my hmg (and i <b>can</b> aim)
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Sounds more like the impulse-leap problem than a speed hack. In that situation you would be able to spot the speedhack quite easily by watching the rate of descent. That hack speeds up every action of the player, including the rate at which they fall. If the guy was going 8x normal speed, he would also be falling down from his jumps at 8x speed. Which would be blindingly obvious.
A side note: people have been banned from Magic: The Gathering officially sanctioned tournaments for <b>assault.</b> WTH.
Some people just can't deal with losing. They may cheat, they may **** their **** off saying the other guy cheats.
Or they'll go play EQ or Tram-UO or some other game where you can't lose.
Eh, though, from a more balanced view, some people just find it fun. I've seen my friends, some of who have m@d skillz to start with (we're talking CPL qualifiers), cheat just because they find it fun to try to conceal it. It's a whole new challenge to them.
<a href='http://groups.msn.com/AntiCheatersAssociation' target='_blank'>http://groups.msn.com/AntiCheatersAssociation</a>
eh.. I like this <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I've never had more than 20FPS.
And about cheaters , I hate when I meet some of them . I'm not a very good NS player and when I get killed by a good player I don't mind . But those who have what they call 'skill' . That ruins the game , sometimes marines kill me from a huge distance with only 2 shots of LMG .... and i know that they'll never have suspected that i was there. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
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I dont have time to go thru the demos, but could you give me the names they used?
Thanks
- voogru.
whats the fun in walking around and clicking mouse1
WHERE IS THE " "elite" " skill witch all these cheats think they have?
do they have and ball's realy?
the whole point of playing a game for me, is trying too beat my opponents through skill hence why i play online alot, because there so meany good people out there there is like a 1 in 5000 chance you are the best.
cheating takes the whole element of learning from mistakes and having fun.
can anyone here actualy tell me one point in cheating? A) it ruins the game B) i takes no skill C) it wouldnt be fun
Imagine the cheater like an old guy, lying on the bed in hospital. He's connected to all kinds of hoses and machines. Turn off the electricity and puff. He's gone.
Oh.. I hate cheaters... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Sorry for getting off topic <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Whoever thinks it was Zweistein, well.... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
every cheater humps armory but no tevery armory humper cheats.
I'm not the best at grunting but i can sometimes stay alive long enough (with luck or with crappy aliens) that i use all of my ammo.
And i remember a few times, i and some player defended a resource node in ns_eclipse. We had motion tracking and could see all the aliens approaching. So we stayed alive, killed some dozen aliens and eventually ran out of ammo.
Anyway, good job with the cheating demo... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Its stupid crap like cheaters that make sure LAN parties will never die...
Its not hard to go solo and run off somewhere. A skulk apears. You shoot it, it dies. Another one apears, you shoot it, it dies. See, to overcome these solo rushers you must work as a team. Second of all don't call people who fill up full to 50/250 and request ammo every so often because to me, 250 ammo will only give me 4 dead skulks and I can overcome skulks easily when they are alone. It's just some people are better than others. Now if you see a JP who is flying everywhere aiming at one spot, then you can call him a hacker.
Remember, that doesn't mean that he was for certain in the LP clan!
Llamas who like to ruin others games (ussually by cheating) just love to give a good clan a bad reputation for cheating by adding any old clan tag onto their name while they blatently cheat away...
I had it happen to my old clan once... the damn cheater changed his ENTIRE name to someone in our clan who owned him... Our clan got so much crap for that that they decided to keep a record on their site of all clanmembers WONIDs so they could easily check up on incidents where cheaters are reported as being in the team...
Edit: LD clan - sorry
If you find a new cheat:
email valve: erics@valvesoftware.com
IRC United Admins: #cheating-death (on irc.gamesnet.net)
email United Admins: info@unitedadmins.com
Forum United Admins: <a href='http://forums.unitedadmins.com/index.php?act=SF&f=170' target='_blank'>CD Forums</a>
Just remember that likely they already know about it long before you do, so if they don't respond, don't take it like they aren't acting on it. They get 50,000 emails a day from each of you folks sending along the same cheat as 49,999 others, thinking you are a beautiful, unique snowflake...
Just like with all the bugs you post in this forum that we already knew about... >_<