Dod Retail
BOZO
Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3973Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow
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<div class="IPBDescription">NS Next!</div> Look's like its offical: <a href='http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=234552' target='_blank'>http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/prod...sp?pf_id=234552</a>. You can oder it with your credit card no problem, so I dont think this is an April Fools joke because EB Game, Activision, and Valve could be sued. And notice I said Activision not Sierra! Hmmmm?
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You have a strange definition of "death" for a game...
Only thing that I would be **** about if I was in their shoes is the "From the makers of Counter-Strike" at the top of the box...
Two words: False advertising. It might not be technically illegal due to rights-sellings or whatnot, but that's really rude to the DoD development team IMO.
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VAC does not do ANYTHING. Neither does Cheating-Death. Or HLGuard. Or any of those retarded 3rd party "cheat prevention" programs. The only thing they will catch is like...OGC version 4! OMG! VERSION FOUR! There's like an OGC version 10 already...and OGC is the weak stuff. I can still use my OpenGL hack in any CS/DoD server without getting caught and this hack is at least 4 years old.
Two words: False advertising. It might not be technically illegal due to rights-sellings or whatnot, but that's really rude to the DoD development team IMO. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Valve did the same thing with Counter-Strike. They 'bought' Day of Defeat. Since the DoD team works for Valve, then Valve can say that "they" made the game.
Look at it this way. Let's say that Valve makes Half Life 2, and it ships next year. Now, between Half Life and Half Life 2, let's pretend Valve lost 10 coders, and gained 12. Now, should Valve now write "Made by half of those who made the original" on the Half Life 2 box? No! The COMPANY made the game. The people IN that company are faceless, and are subject to change. By hiring the DoD team, they become part of Valve.
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What really frustrates me about DoD is the lack of public relations. If they really want us to go and pay for this (though it will probably be free), they shouldn't ignore us for months! They needed to set one person to update the page, talk to the community, and generally show that the fans mean something. Instead, for the last several months, we haven't gotten much word at all about what's happening.
And now this. Where do we find out about DoD retail? No. We learn about it from EBGames.com. See what I mean? The team won't even mention anything now! My opinion is that this will alienate several people. I don't play the game myself, so I don't especially care what happens to the game.
Unfortunately, in hte long run, it will bring all the "bad elements" of retail versions, so i guess I should start looking for a private server <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Its bittersweet, it is.
..most of the time
I'm sorry but i couldn't help but laugh myself silly
when I read that. Counter-Strike's cheats have been at a high
for the past 6-8 MONTHS. Any idiot can find various cheats
for it with a simple Google search.
The amount of "undetected" cheats is through the roof
(i'm talking 50+ easily) and growing. System and Bunny771
simply got the ball rolling with the OGC cheats and showed
people how easy it was to by-pass PunkBuster (and currently
VAC). Bottom line is that VALVe screwed up big-time by refusing to
co-operate with Tony Ray and the PB team, CS never has and never
will be cheat free.
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Yeah I know it's kinda strange. You know here was me thinking that the mass injection of hundreds of thousands of people who had never HEARD of a mod before suddenly got plunged into the deep end of what had been a very good mod. And you know what? Far far far too many of them were immature brats who whined that "it was too hard". Well boyos, CS patches 1.0 through to 1.6 will fix you right up! No more newbie whining! Oh wait, they STILL whinge! BECAUSE more keep COMING! And WOW! When they can't win LEGIT, they CHEAT! Something the HL makers have been woefully unable to stop.
Commercialisation killed CS. I hope every single day that Flayra would never sell his beloved creation out to a pack of faceless corperate money grabbers. I have faith in him.
Interesting... They give no credit to the real makers of those mods.
I'm curious how they'll do that with Flay's trademark. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Maybe im just being pessimistic but <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Counter-strike is still going strong. I'm sure I could find countless non-retail mods actually killed by a community of jerks and ****...
Here is a pretty nice "custom everything pack" that a fan put together. Some not so good things in it but you can always weed out the bits you dont want.
<a href='http://forums.dayofdefeatmod.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=71065' target='_blank'>Hope this works</a>
Have a go at it between one of your NS marathons...
I hate those 12 year olds that scream "OMG H4X B4N!"
that's one of the reasons I deleted CS off my HD in a week
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VAC does not do ANYTHING. Neither does Cheating-Death. Or HLGuard. Or any of those retarded 3rd party "cheat prevention" programs. The only thing they will catch is like...OGC version 4! OMG! VERSION FOUR! There's like an OGC version 10 already...and OGC is the weak stuff. I can still use my OpenGL hack in any CS/DoD server without getting caught and this hack is at least 4 years old. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Believe me when I say you're an idiot.
When CD, and VAC test their software, I assure you it's tested on the newest versions of hacking software. If you think that these coders are merely working on the "outside" of the cheating communitly, you're largely mistaken. If you think nobody within the "cheating business" (read lame bastoids) is giving information out to help prevent it, you're also wrong. Neither side is going to give up.... and so it goes.
Interesting... They give no credit to the real makers of those mods.
I'm curious how they'll do that with Flay's trademark. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay, I'll post it again (in the same thread no less):
Valve did the same thing with Counter-Strike. They 'bought' Day of Defeat. Since the DoD team works for Valve, then Valve can say that "they" made the game.
Look at it this way. Let's say that Valve makes Half Life 2, and it ships next year. Now, between Half Life and Half Life 2, let's pretend Valve lost 10 coders, and gained 12. Now, should Valve now write "Made by half of those who made the original" on the Half Life 2 box? No! The COMPANY made the game. The people IN that company are faceless, and are subject to change. By hiring the DoD team, they become part of Valve.
KungFuSquirrel:
I personally have no problem with them going retail. I do have a problem with how it was handled. Lack of communication between team members and fans (it took forever to even find out they were working with Valve), lack of updates on the page, bad public relations in forum... my point is that they were very distant and cold to their fans, but now hope to gain more players by going retail, while still largely ignoring the fans. It just seems a bit rude.
But you see it doesn't stop the problem. It's like the battle between tank armour and tank shells: as soon as one company brings out a new armour that stops the old shells, another company makes shells that can peirce the armour. Likewise, as soon as new anti-cheat software comes out, someone else makes software that get's through it. I remember when CS 1.5 came out and I was in the forums over at cscentral.com and on the actual day the patch was released new cheats came out! Thus the problem: you have to run as fast as you can to just to keep up. And the anti-cheating software isn't keeping up. Not for lack of trying at all, nor for lack of skill.