Friendly Fire In 1.1?
NoClass
Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8207Members
Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8207Members
<div class="IPBDescription">or will it be for tourneys only?</div> So far seems to only be active when in tourney mode. So has the dev team given some consideration to enable this vairable for admins who would like to run pubs with on?
Back when my friends server was running CS, FF was active. Had a script where TKers would get auto banned upon killing teammates too often within a certain time frame. The skill level was quite high on the server since people adapted to an FF evironment, learing how to aim and shoot as opposed to spraying a whole clip like a headless chicken.
I know this will attract a whole new base of lamers to the server but hey, that's what rcon ban is for isn't it? But it might take pub games to a whole new level.
Mabye people will learn that this isn't CS and an LMG/HMG isn't a colt and it's bullets dont travel through boxes or your teammates.
So will it be feasible or am i just a dreamer?
Back when my friends server was running CS, FF was active. Had a script where TKers would get auto banned upon killing teammates too often within a certain time frame. The skill level was quite high on the server since people adapted to an FF evironment, learing how to aim and shoot as opposed to spraying a whole clip like a headless chicken.
I know this will attract a whole new base of lamers to the server but hey, that's what rcon ban is for isn't it? But it might take pub games to a whole new level.
Mabye people will learn that this isn't CS and an LMG/HMG isn't a colt and it's bullets dont travel through boxes or your teammates.
So will it be feasible or am i just a dreamer?
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/me votes for FF as a server option
And if you accidentally shoot a mortar into a light armour on your team, well, accidents happen, that's what the "sorry" keybind is for. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I do think it could be a bit of a problem when skulks get into the base and into building hitboxes. The marines could take down their base faster than the skulk itself. Also, turret farms or WoLs ripping themselves to pieces. Maybe an option for damage to players but not to buildings?
edit: fixed typo
They don't. They probably should though.
Regards,
Savant
If you check the manual bullets are NOT supposed to hurt team mates or friendly buildings.
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NANOBOTS (read "ns duct tape") of course.
I love FF, but I'm not sure it's worth the headache caused by the llamas who abuse it. Maybe it should be a server option, maybe no. *shrug*
Regards,
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good idea but lamers will deplete an HA's amor and that bascially makes him a slow piece of cardboard... and we all know wut it was like before... when ppl wanted "next game" and started killing everyone... bscailly depleting ur teams armor ... especially the armor of an HA when it is game deciding... can really **** some ppl off...
and AngaDraug...
coil drew it if im not wrong... or someone in this forum drew it..... and only mods can use the cute kharra asa an avatar if im not wrong...
He acctually m4de0rz it (I think)
Coil: The point of people intentionally abusing the setting is the usual argument brought against FF in other games. I've played quake engine TF games for a while, and the european community for these mods has always played with FF enabled on their public servers, my opinion on the FF issue is this - There are already a million and one ways for someone who is determined to wreck a game to do so. In the vast majority of pub games this does not happen. In the instances where it does happen, the greifer has his pick from more than enough ways to completely wreck a game. FF does not suddenly turn the entire public scene into game wrecking llamas, neither does it allow dedicated greifers to wreck a game any more efficiently than they already do.
Anybody who wants to wreck a game has their pick from crashing servers with mines, to sealing marines inside their base with a wall of unkillable, unrecyclable CCs, to dropping sensory towers on all nearby res nodes. In fact friendly fire would even offer a solution to the last 2. The point being, if people want to wreck a game they will, deal with it the same way people have for years and excersise some admin powers. The benefits friendly fire offers to gameplay are more important than fanciful tales of everybody suddenly knifing their teammates to death.
I really don't want to have to run tourny mode in public play because of the issues most non-clan players have with getting a game started (well how are they supposed to KNOW!!?), but at the minute it really is the only way to get FF on, which IMHO is a great shame.
I guess what I'm saying is please trust us server admins to admin our servers properly, many of us have been doing it for quite some time!
Roo
While we're on the subject there is one point i'm curious about. Currently OCs with FF on will damage themselves (I don't mean one OC shooting another OC, i mean a single OC in the middle of a room will damage itself when it fires). This changes OC placement somewhat because you need some form of healing ability near your OCs to prevent them from dying. Which limits their use away from the hive. Wether this is a good thing or not i'm undecided, but i'm not sure i have seen it brought up yet, and i was wondering if this is going to be changed in any way for 1.1
Post it in the bug forums if your sure about it. Theres no way thats intentional. Now that you mention it I have seen OCs spit, only for the spit to kinda of immediatly hit the OC. Didn't think much of it at the time.
It shouldn't be a server option either. There are far too many options already. I want to play NS, not someone's homemade variation of NS. I want to see the server running either in Casual or Tourney mode, and know exactly what kind of game to expect.
Post it in the bug forums if your sure about it. Theres no way thats intentional. Now that you mention it I have seen OCs spit, only for the spit to kinda of immediatly hit the OC. Didn't think much of it at the time.
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I am sure about it, but i thought it was already well known. I'll pop it under bugs just incase. It doesn't look intentional but thats really not important ;)
The spit does still come out of the OC, it still acts like a normal tower, but while firing its health will drop as if its own shots are hitting it. Not noticable if you've got them next to DCs or the hive, but out of range and they'll kill themselves quite quickly with sustained firing. A while back i posted a demo showing tests of OCs versus jetpackers, i think the effect can be seen on this demo. It's most noticable if you drop OCs by a marine structure such as a res, they end up killing themselves before they do any real damage to the res.
as a clanplayer i apprechiate every oppertunity to play with FF on.
Also i think this will get some of the "trigger-happy" players to be a little more cautious.
I also think this will add some more depth to the tactics and the way weapons are used... no more stupid blind grenade-spamming, more teamwork.
About the llama-problem i completely agree with TeoH: if someone wants to wreck a game, he will succeed.
And i don't think that a competent admin will ban any players for accidential teamkills vers often...
he made it, he made the other aliens and marine(s) but he's like OMG UR LEWS U DONT GET ONE!
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I mean CMON it happens, people apologise everything is fine and dandy, the banning happens when muppets join the server, spawn and start shooting their teammates, obviously looking for team kills.
I repeat, please *trust* us admins to do what we do all the time, adminning servers to keep them fun and clean places without llamas ruining games all the time.
I hardly think FF on is a different VERSION of NS, and it would always be clearly stated in the Console greeting. you can also filter the servers you want to join by simply checking their mp_friendlyfire cvar if you're THAT bothered about it.
We all want a better atmosphere to the game, I feel this goes a long way towards that.
Teamplay is King, long live Teamplay!
Skulk chomping on resource chambers?
Marines stabbing at CC?
NO.
I want to put FF on on my server, if only to TRY for pity's sake, at the minute I have to execclient say "ready" the other team!!
(yeah yeah or execall "say ready")
You show me someone knifing the CC, he will be banned on the spot. Never to return. No more on that server. One less TKing muppet to worry about.
That's the WHOLE POINT of giving people admin privileges. There's an admin on my server about 80% of the time (and it's full from before lunchtime to after midnight usually). Outside that time, people can still contact me by checking the sv_contact variable.
I say give US ADMINS the choice, as it's not everyone who shares your "no FF" opinion. At least then you'll have servers with FF on and FF off to choose from and those of us who WANT ff on won't have to suffer.
I'm not suggesting that you should have to play with FF ON, so please don't suggest that I have to play with FF OFF!!
Roo