Do Not Get Rid Of Teleport Ability

SoBe_Dragon

<div class="IPBDescription">omg</div> movement chambers might lose teleport ability? Well if thats the case, marine needs to lose hive site.

If marines can jump anywhere on the map that they want, aliens should at least be able to move to a hive of theirs thats under attack...

add your name to the list, save teleport for movement chambers!

PseudoKnight

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I think you typed the wrong thing there.

RotA_Plague

Personally, I think it should be removed for aliens and Phase to be one of the last things marines can get(high up on tech tree). I see this by the majority of RTS games, instant transportation is often one of the last things on the tech tree, because it is soo effective. Having key points on the map have phase gates means that you can get base to base to base in a few seconds. This is only good because aliens have to do a planned attack, but it still takes a lot of effort to just drop one area even if isn't a hive. Heck, sometimes it can be close to impossible if you have 1 hive and marines are using phases often.

Also why I see alien movements are not needed is because the majority of aliens can go very fast compaired to a Marine and get to the hive in a few seconds.

Sorry for the bad grammer.

the_stalker

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if it was taken away then the only thing movements would be good for is upgrades

SoBe_Dragon

no, its not a typo. For 45 res, marines can get an alien ability...i still dont agree with it.

Zek

Movements would be amazing for pretty much any defending alien with the new energy regen feature(which doesn't make much sense for a MOVEMENT chamber, but... eh.). Still, hive teleporting is something that Aliens <u>really</u> do need, especially with how incredibly fast a few HMGs will bring down a hive(not to mention the random spawning thing). They're the Alien equivalent to phase gates, and removing them would be a pretty severe disadvantage.

d0omie

If movment chambers lose teleport, they really will be a lot less usefull than D and S, regening engery faster is good..but its not *that* usefull.

SoulSkorpion

The new chamber modification is a step in the right direction, but it's not good enough. Firstly, the business about movements teleporting is very important for getting to a hive under fire or for allowing fades back into a hive which has a very high WoL blocking the entrances.

The other reason is that they add nothing to WoLs, and still don't compare to DCs. If they were to, say, primal scream everything near it (including upping the fire rate of OCs) they would actually be comparable in strategic importance to having a place to heal. A WoL which can bring down marines faster would compensate for it not being able to heal itself, and could be a viable alternative. There isn't a great deal of point in making MTs regen energy - if you really really need your energy you use adrenaline, and otherwise it recharges fast enough in between fights for you to use. Energy != ammo, MTs != armouries. Unlike health, you don't have to fall back to a chamber\the hive when you get low on energy.

On the one hand, it'll be interesting to see how this plays. However, I don't think it compares to DCs (and isn't the whole point to try to make either chamber viable, invalidating D->M->S?)

Silver_Fox

/me starts a 'Try it before you buy it' campain

pardzh

OH EM GEE!

ALL CHANGE IS THE BADNESS!

a_civilian

I think the movement chamber should lose the teleport ability, because the teleport ability is much more useful at two or three hives than at one hive, thus securing movement's place at second or third hive.

BedwettingType

I don't have a problem with removing the teleport ability. They're like phase gates that you can't destroy, because they're not there. They're clear across the map.

But concerning enhancements to OC's, I think SoulSkorpion is right on the money. We're trying to make all chambers a valid first choice, but movement can't compete as well with sensory and defense anymore because it doesn't benefit OC's like the other chambers do. I agree with the idea of increasing the fire rate of OC's within range.

That_Annoying_Kid

I can't even think of the number of times that the MC teleport to hive under attack has saved a good game for the aliens, I will dearly miss this wonderous marvel if it hits the chopping block, but if the NS team wants to change it, then they can becuase it's there game, all we can do is voice our oppinions (see above for oppinons) and wait for 1.1



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Dunkin_Dynamite

don't take away phase gates; remember that in other RTSes you can choose your training points and how many troops you want; you have only IPs and team size in NS.

SoulSkorpion

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We're talking about movement chambers, not phase gates <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

Align

If the teleport ability does go away, hives need 15000 hp instead of 6000. Otherwise, a lone HAMGEE can empty 2 clips(killing the hive) with only skulks disturbing him, unless the marine didn't look first for fades and UmbraMen.